Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Now, if we could just leave it at that, I might be able to agree with you.The Trinity is the dynamics of what occurs inside God.
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Now, if we could just leave it at that, I might be able to agree with you.The Trinity is the dynamics of what occurs inside God.
Now, if we could just leave it at that, I might be able to agree with you.
Glad we could come to that But I am quite sure you would mean something else by that statement than I
with how big of an arguement religion is there will never be a compermise until one religion destroys all the others.
Maybe I mean something different than you do, maybe not. There are scriptures in the Book of Mormon that very clearly state that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are "one God." So it all gets down to what we mean by "one God." To me, the "inner life of God," as you put it, refers to the attributes that make God who He is. I would use the word "essence" if it were not so often used as a synonym for "substance." I see the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as being so absolutely united in will, purpose, mind and heart that their "inner life" could be considered as "one." Each of them is in perfect harmony with the others, to an extent we cannot even imagine. They do not act, think, or feel independently of each other but as a single, absolutely perfect being. How similar or dissimilar is that to Catholic belief?Glad we could come to that But I am quite sure you would mean something else by that statement than I, the primary difference being, I think, that the statement "inner life of God" assumes homoousia- that there can be only one divine being, and the Trinity is His inner life.
Actually, in all my years as a Latter-day Saint, I have never heard it taught that the Father "created" the Son. We Latter-day Saints absolutely affirm that Jesus Christ was fully divine and that He was with the Father in the beginning. I think the issue centers more around the idea of what is meant by "eternity." If God created the heavens and the earth "in the beginning," there was a time when the earth did not exist. That would have been before "the beginning," before the clock started ticking, so to speak. If we see "eternity" as referring to the beginning of the creation as described in Genesis, then certainly Jesus Christ existed as a fully divine being at that time because it was He who, under His Father's direction, created the heavens and the earth. If "eternity" extends back to a time prior to "the beginning," then we might disagree with you and say that there was a time when God the Father begat the spirit of His Son, Jesus Christ, but that the spiritual essence, the light of truth from which Christ's spirit was begotten was, in fact, co-eternal with God.In many ways, very similar. The most significant difference I can think of is that we believe this eternally of God- his life is and always contained this kind of dynamic plurality, always a relation between Father, Son and Spirit. I understand the LDS believe there was a time when the Son was not- meaning, in our understanding, that the Son is not fully divine (lacks the divine attribute of being from eternity, is a created thing) and that the intra-personal relationship described could not really said to be constitute God's inner life, because, according to LDS belief, such a relationship would have been of God's own creation (in the creation of the Son). Whereas, in the Trinitarian belief, it is the nature of the Father to beget, the nature of the Son to be begotten, the nature of the Spirit to proceed.
Your ideas are not heresies, but they are trying to explain what is beyond human capabilities, we should learn of God by learning how we were made. i wrote this article once, it my help to explain some of the questions raised.I realize this is simply a description, and not an account of how all this could be so, (something which, at the moment, I am trying to work out in my own theology).
Also, I can not guarantee that this is a perfect or flawless summary- other Trinitarians, feel free to correct my heresies.
Hm? Ice is H2O. Dihydrogen monoxide gas is H2O. Water is H2O. Ice is not dihydrogen monoxide gas.So the transitive law needs to be rewritten as:
If A=B and B=C then A=C*
*except when B is god
Magic overrules logic.
Hm? Ice is H2O. Dihydrogen monoxide gas is H2O. Water is H2O. Ice is not dihydrogen monoxide gas.
Completely missing the point. :clapIce isn't just H2O; it's H2O in a solid state. Dihydrogen monixide gas isn't just H2O; it's H2O in a gaseous state. Water isn't just H2O; it's H2O in a liquid state.
H2O ice is dihydrogen monoxide gas in a solid state.
I don't think you'll be disproving the transitive law any time soon.
Completely missing the point. :clap
By the way, you're not supposed to be here, kindly leave.
No, you demonstrated what you thought was my point was erroneous. You failed to see my point completely.I demonstrated that your 'point' is erroneous.
Name calling will get you nowhere. And the OP does not have the power to overwrite the rules of the forum. Kindly remove yourself.Sorry, AlsoEnema, but the OP clearly states that comments are welcome from everyone. Enjoy. :beach:
No, you demonstrated what you thought was my point was erroneous. You failed to see my point completely.
Now you're personalizing things.As I demonstrated, you were wrong to say that "ice is H2O" and yet "ice isn't dihydrogen monoxide gas." It is, only in a different state.
That's the problem with your trinity diagram. If Jesus is God in a certain state, and God is The Father in a certain state, then Jesus is the Father in a certain state. That's the transitive law. That's logic.
Yes to my knowledge however there is also the term Son Of Man which is opposite to the term father is it not?Is this really what Trinitarians believe?
Comments from everyone are welcome. Please do not vote unless you are a trinitarian.
As I demonstrated, you were wrong to say that "ice is H2O" and yet "ice isn't dihydrogen monoxide gas." It is, only in a different state.
That's the problem with your trinity diagram. If Jesus is God in a certain state, and God is The Father in a certain state, then Jesus is the Father in a certain state. That's the transitive law. That's logic.