Jesus is not God

[Ignatius A]

I have read it. Nothing changes what is written. Moses is not God, was not referred to in Scripture as God and Jesus is. That's just how it is.

I agree. Your take on this is hilarious

 

[Ignatius A]

It's the 21st century. Hype words: "Christendom", "apostate".

The Watchtower corporation fully utilizes and enjoys it's freedom and benefits of a free country here in "Christendom"

Good Samaritan: When our car is broken down miles from civilization on a 0 degree cold winter night, we are thrilled when an "apostate" stops to help us.

What does it mean to love one another as Jesus loved us?

 

[Questioning]

1-was with God
2-was in the beginning with God
3-All things were made through him (Not BY him)
16- the only begotten from the Father
18- No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
34-this is the Son of God (not God, or the ridiculous 'God-the-Son')

Even JOHN knew he wasn't God!

 

[Ignatius A]

1-was with God
2-was in the beginning with God
3-All things were made through him (Not BY him)
16- the only begotten from the Father
18- No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
34-this is the Son of God (not God, or the ridiculous 'God-the-Son')

Even JOHN knew he wasn't God!

Whoever has seen me has seen the father. The word was God and the word became flesh and dwelt among us.

 

[Questioning]

Whoever has seen me has seen the father. The word was God and the word became flesh and dwelt among us.

You see the 2 sons, you have seen me. NEXT?

 

[Ignatius A]

Whoever has seen me has seen the father. The word was God and the word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Poor Moses poor questioning

 

[Ignatius A]

You see the 2 sons, you have seen me. NEXT?

Not what it says. No o e cares what your imagination tell you

 

[walt]

Does it really matter the wording of John 1:1 ?

Does any version of John 1:1 Explain the Trinity? No!
Please I will explain:

1. Does John 1:1 mention the Holy Spirit? No!
2. Does John 1:1 mention the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God? No!
3. Does John 1:1 mention that three are all equal to each other? No!
4. Does John 1:1 mention that three have no beginning and no end? No!
5. Does The Bible from Genesis to Revelation ever explain all these words that define the Trinity? No!
6. The word Trinity is never spoken by anyone in the bible, Why do people say it is essential to being a Christian? Explain to me please why Jesus words are not essential?

Any John 1:1 you can find does not use the words that define the Trinity, neither does any other scripture you can find. How easy would it be for Jesus to explain the Trinity, it would be one sentence.
Instead God's word the Bible, in every Bible, in every language all around the world, all say the same, they use words to explain Jesus is God's son and God is his father, over 100 times!

Kenny said,
I prefer the following:
KJ21 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ASV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
AMP In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
AMPC In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
BRG In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CSB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CEB In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
CJB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CEV In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
DARBY In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
DLNT In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
DRA In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ERV Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
EASYIn the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God. The Word was God.
EHV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ESV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ESVUK In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
EXB In the beginning [Gen. 1:1] ·there was the Word [the Word already existed; C the Word refers to Christ, God’s revelation of himself]. The Word was ·with [in the presence of; in intimate relationship with] God [C the Father], and the Word was [fully]God.

I am not a rocket scientist, but I can explain the Trinity in one sentence,
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. Equal to each other and each without beginning, how simple was that, one sentence.

But, there is only one big problem Jesus never spoke these words or something like it! You cannot use Jesus words, word for word and explain the Trinity!

but Jesus did say:

• I am God's son. --John 10:36, John 3:16, Matthew 16:16-17 and Jesus is referred to as the Son of God, in the Bible over 50 times.
• My Father who is in heaven. -The Bible uses the word Father in reference to Jesus Father over 50 times.
• My Father and your Father, My God and your God. --John 20:17
• Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. --John 17:3

 

[Ignatius A]

Does it really matter the wording of John 1:1 ?

Does any version of John 1:1 Explain the Trinity? No!
Please I will explain:

1. Does John 1:1 mention the Holy Spirit? No!
2. Does John 1:1 mention the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God? No!
3. Does John 1:1 mention that three are all equal to each other? No!
4. Does John 1:1 mention that three have no beginning and no end? No!
5. Does The Bible from Genesis to Revelation ever explain all these words that define the Trinity? No!
6. The word Trinity is never spoken by anyone in the bible, Why is this even called essential?

Any John 1:1 you can find does not use the words that define the Trinity, neither does any other scripture you can find. How easy would it be for Jesus to explain the Trinity, it would be one sentence.
Instead God's word the Bible, in every Bible, in every language all around the world, all say the same, they use words to explain Jesus is God's son and God is his father, over 100 times!

Kenny said,
I prefer the following:
KJ21 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ASV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
AMP In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
AMPC In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
BRG In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CSB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CEB In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
CJB In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CEV In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
DARBY In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
DLNT In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
DRA In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ERV Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
EASYIn the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God. The Word was God.
EHV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ESV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ESVUK In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
EXB In the beginning [Gen. 1:1] ·there was the Word [the Word already existed; C the Word refers to Christ, God’s revelation of himself]. The Word was ·with [in the presence of; in intimate relationship with] God [C the Father], and the Word was [fully]God.

If it doesnt matter then the rest doesnt matter either. Is that REALLY the angle you want to take here?

 

[Ignatius A]

Both of these are artificial "all things to all people" teachings purposefully added to the Bible:

"Whoever has seen me has seen the father." - Human-like form of "God" to raise Greco-Romans minds from human-like "gods" to the true God (true God from true God, not Jupiter, not Apollo,...) (Paul: "...though he was in the form of God). See the word "form" here?

"The word was God and the word became flesh and dwelt among us." - John 1:3 Greek Demiurge.

The truth will set you free.

Greco-Roman Aspects of the Bible (New Testament)

Evidently, the New Testament has Greco-Roman aspects, in addition to Jewish aspects.

www.religiousforums.com

Oh brother

 

[Questioning]

 

[Questioning]

Churchianity takes it's pick; Saying that the Three-in-one God sent One of Themselves.....

 

[Ignatius A]

Churchianity takes it's pick; Saying that the Three-in-one God sent One of Themselves.....

One God three persons. Good job.

 

[walt]

Oh brother

Do you believe Jesus is the son of God? God is his Father? And the Father is his God?

KJ21
Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


Why does Jesus say this, if it is not true?
Why does Jesus say My Father and My God?

 

[Questioning]

One God three persons. Good job.

So the Other Two Gods were left in heaven as the one was a Baby-God!

 

[Ignatius A]

Do you believe Jesus is the son of God? God is his Father? And the Father is his God?

KJ21
Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

Yes and God.

 

[Ignatius A]

So the Other Two Gods were left in heaven as the one was a Baby-God!

No Jesus is God and God the holy spirit was present at the creation of the world

 

[Questioning]

No Jesus is God and God the holy spirit was present at the creation of the world

What does that have to do with God-the-Baby?

 

[walt]

No Jesus is God and God the holy spirit was present at the creation of the world

Why does Jesus say My God?

Please, why does Jesus say My God?
With much kindness and respect, will you please answer?

 

[walt]

Greco-Roman polytheists prior to Christianity used terms like "gods" and "son of god" about their many "gods" and even the emperors.

Get unstuck from the illogical belief that a book used by a Roman state religion that was enforced by the physical destruction and conversion of houses of worship of Greco-Roman polytheists is not influenced by the Roman empire.

Greco-Roman Aspects of the Bible (New Testament)

Evidently, the New Testament has Greco-Roman aspects, in addition to Jewish aspects.

www.religiousforums.com

In America, we don't believe in government-mandated religions. Not sure why so many people today still use a book from a state religion as a reference for endless "quote from" debates - perhaps enjoy debating. I consider it idolatry, Bible-dolatry.

I think I agree with you I don't know exactly, are you saying that in the time period of Jesus, Jesus can be considered a Mighty God, but not necessarily the Most High or The Almighty or the one true God?