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Straight from Churchianity.No Jesus is God and God the holy spirit was present at the creation of the world
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Straight from Churchianity.No Jesus is God and God the holy spirit was present at the creation of the world
Since I believe the accounts in the Bible are true as far as I am concerned there is no contest. Belief in God is one thing; how we use that belief is another. Also how we view the Bible is integral to the equation.God doesn't need to stoop to miracles to prove anything. Since you use the Bible, according to the Bible: Peter knew because God showed him, not because of a miracle.
All of these stories in the Bible are a tool: The miracle stories are for Greco-Roman polytheists, the story about Peter calling Jesus both "son of God and "messiah", is to relate Jesus to Greco-Roman polytheists ("son of god" terminology) and Jewish people ("messiah"). By using the "son of God and "messiah" this also is intended to unite both prior religions. The Roman tried to find common ground in their various religious groups, this is historical.
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Greco-Roman Aspects of the Bible (New Testament)
Evidently, the New Testament has Greco-Roman aspects, in addition to Jewish aspects.www.religiousforums.com
The holy spirit does not mean the person of God as if it were one of the three equal persons comprising a trinity. It can be a long discussion, but suffice it to say that it needs to be discussed in the light of translation (what the words mean) and how they relate to biblical instances.Straight from Churchianity.
I choose to believe in a God that I cannot see with my physical eyes, but whom I believe exists. I did not always believe in God. There are various reasons for my belief. I used to believe everything scientists said about evolution. Now I do not. I do take vaccines, and I believe scientists have helped mankind in many ways."Belief in God"
You are catching on.
Yup.Holy means "set aside"
Spirit means "breath, wind".
God gave Adam 'breath', and he BECAME a living soul.
Just a guy you say, but this person was used by God to lead His people out of slavery and set to worship God. Moses was not perfect. Jesus was, but Jesus likened himself to Moses.Yes POOR. Never. Moses was just a guy a POOR human not God. Again nice try but no cigar.
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the son of god
Absolutely!Does that really make sense what you're saying?
What else could one begotten of human be BUT HUMAN?the only begotten of a human son, is he human?
Absolutely!they're both human, but your father is still your father and you are still his son.
Couldn't agree with you more.you are both human, but at no time are you each other, you are never your father and your father is never you,
Incorrect. You would not be "a rama lama ding dong". You would be Modalist.unless you're a rama lama ding dong.
I see no other conclusion unless you believe scripture is not inspired of God.he Father does not tell us that Jesus is God.
You say absolutely! yeah that sounds like a good word, absolutely! sorry doesn't sound like we can agree on anything. have a good night, thanks for your input.Absolutely!
What else could one begotten of human be BUT HUMAN?
Absolutely!
Couldn't agree with you more.
Incorrect. You would not be "a rama lama ding dong". You would be Modalist.
Trinitarian know the Father is God and the Son is the Son of God. You are Baháʼí, and even you agree with this. Please explain how only those “not duped by the Trinity doctrine” would know this when it is something Trinitarians already know.
Absolutely!That is not what Trinitarians already know. They believe that the Father is God and the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
So, if Jesus is not God simply because ‘God the Son’ is not in the Bible, then Jesus is not man simply because ‘Man the Son’ is not in the bible either.
I did not say that Jesus is not God simply because ‘God the Son’ is not in the Bible. There are many other reasons why Jesus cannot be God.
The Father is God. The Son is the Son of God.
Anyone who was not duped by the Trinity doctrine would know that.
There is no such thing as 'God the Son' in the Bible
IOW, using the same, consistent logic, Trinitarians should be expected to show ‘God the Son’ only when our Baháʼí or Jehovah Witness friends show us ‘Man the Son’ in scripture. Otherwise, to be logically consistent, we would determine Jesus is neither God or Man depending on our POV, and while I can understand why a non-Christian religion might do this, I do not see why Jehovah Witnesses, who by doctrine present themselves as the only “true” Christians, would be eager to follow suit.
That logic is completely faulty. God the Son does not even make sense because God is the Father, NOT the Son.
Son of God appears just as the Son of Man appears in scripture clearly showing Christ's dual nature.Scripture refers to the Son or God and the Son of man and in the context of the verses, both refer to Jesus.
God the Son does not appear in any scripture because it is a man-made Trinitarian doctrine.
Where exactly in the Tanakh do you say a crucifixion of a messiah is prophesied, then?I don't believe your interpretation is correct. And I don't just take your word for it.
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Where did you get the definition of the word θεός ?
The Codex Vaticanus, also known as Vat. gr. 1209, is a 4th century Greek manuscript of The New Testament.
by Wilson, Benjamin, b. 1817, tr Publication date 1864 Diaglott(i)
[ This is Apostle John's words in English - word for word ] These Greek words were written around 200 years after the Apostle John died. [ on the left ] reflects Apostle John's words in Greek.
Word for Word - Greek to English - [ on the left ]..............................Different Words?................................English in paragraph form - [ on the right ]
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Ex 7:1- And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh...Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | John | written appox 330 - 350
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Where exactly in the Tanakh do you say a crucifixion of a messiah is prophesied, then?