walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Is Moses called the same exact Greek word as Jesus? Check it here for yourself.. what is your thoughts please?
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Jesus is not God
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Oeste
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Correct! There are many frogs classified as anura.
Absolutely! There are many dogs classified as canines.
Yes! We're on a roll @Hockycowboy! ;
It's quite possible to have many men classified as human.
Excellent HockyCowboy!
Logically, the Son of God must be God. He couldn't be anything else.
However, there is only ONE God, so unlike frogs, dogs and men there is nothing to add.
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Heldbbeage,
I suspect this is one of those situations where I won't be able to persuade you and you won't be able to persuade me.And yet it still applies. There are always the shadow (that which is applicable that is there for that day, but it is the shadow of the real event.
Colossians 2:17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.
Hebrews 8:5 They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven.
Hebrews 10:1 The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves.
Psalm 22
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Deut 21:23
(shadow) 23. The corpse of the executed criminal had to be buried the selfsame day at all costs. The Hebrew syntax is strongly emphatic. The reason was that the corpse of an executed man was an object accursed of God and would defile the land (cf. Num. 35:33f.; Lev. 18:24–27). The presence of the corpse hanging up to the public gaze, with crime, as it were, clinging to it and God’s curse resting on it, might result in untold calamities. Hence as soon as the necessary amount of publicity had been achieved and other likely offenders had been warned, the corpse was buried, and that before sunset.
(that which cast the shadow) In a later day Paul was to draw from this brief section an analogy (Gal. 3:13). Just as the corpse of a condemned criminal carried the curse of God, so Christ hanging on the cross as a condemned and executed criminal was publicly exhibited as one who bore the judgment of God. He bore the same shame as every executed criminal and was publicly exhibited as one who was accursed of God. To free us from the curse of the law Jesus himself had to become accursed.
Thompson, J. A. (1974). Deuteronomy: An Introduction and Commentary (Vol. 5, p. 255). InterVarsity Press.
Ps. 34:20
(shadow) 19–22. These verses reiterate the main themes of the psalm, and re-emphasize the great divide between those whom God accepts and those he rejects. The sweeping affirmation of 19b urges the mind forward to look beyond death, if such a promise is to be honoured. Verse 20 needs to be taken with 18, which admits that a godly man’s suffering may be extreme; yet God never takes it lightly (18a), and never loses control (20); cf. the paradox of Luke 21:16, 18.
(that which casts the shadow) The ‘scripture’ that was fulfilled in John 19:36 may have included this verse with Exodus 12:46. ‘The promise to the righteous man found an unexpectedly literal realization in the passion of the perfectly Righteous One’ (Kirkpatrick).
Kidner, D. (1973). Psalms 1–72: an introduction and commentary (Vol. 15, p. 159). InterVarsity Press.
But I don't doubt the sincerity of your beliefs and I trust you don't doubt the sincerity of mine.
Go well.
Ebionite
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People and persons are different things.
No, that is not supported by the text.
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deuteronomy 10:17, KJV
[How much less to him] that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all [are] the work of his hands.
Job 34:19, KJV
noun masculineProverbs 25:23 and (Ezekiel = Proverbs 21:21 = edge; on 2 Samuel 10:9 see below) feminine face, also faces (as turned toward one);
person | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
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c. 1200, persoun, "an individual, a human being," from Old French persone "human being, anyone, person" (12c., Modern French personne) and directly from Latin persona "human being, person, personage; a part in a drama, assumed character," originally "a mask, a false face," such as those of wood or clay, covering the whole head, worn by the actors in later Roman theater. OED offers the general 19c. explanation of persona as "related to" Latin personare "to sound through" (i.e. the mask as something spoken through and perhaps amplifying the voice), "but the long o makes a difficulty ...." Klein and Barnhart say it is possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu "mask." De Vaan has no entry for it.
Ebionite
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They are not false ideas. What is your point?
Only 'God' is 'God',...... Jesus never claimed to be the Father-Source of all creation, but pointed to a 'God' greater than himself. True 'God' is that absolute reality prior to any name, form, image or personality, but is the universal Source of all those things. As the Urantia Book describes, 'God' is the First Source and Center of all things and beings, - nothing can be or exist outside of 'God'.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Do you actually think that Deuteronomy 10:17 means that God is not a person?People and persons are different things.
No, that is not supported by the text.
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deuteronomy 10:17, KJV
[How much less to him] that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all [are] the work of his hands.
Job 34:19, KJV
noun masculineProverbs 25:23 and (Ezekiel = Proverbs 21:21 = edge; on 2 Samuel 10:9 see below) feminine face, also faces (as turned toward one);
person | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
The online etymology dictionary (etymonline) is the internet's go-to source for quick and reliable accounts of the origin and history of English words, phrases, and idioms. It is professional enough to satisfy academic standards, but accessible enough to be used by anyone.
c. 1200, persoun, "an individual, a human being," from Old French persone "human being, anyone, person" (12c., Modern French personne) and directly from Latin persona "human being, person, personage; a part in a drama, assumed character," originally "a mask, a false face," such as those of wood or clay, covering the whole head, worn by the actors in later Roman theater. OED offers the general 19c. explanation of persona as "related to" Latin personare "to sound through" (i.e. the mask as something spoken through and perhaps amplifying the voice), "but the long o makes a difficulty ...." Klein and Barnhart say it is possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu "mask." De Vaan has no entry for it.
Ebionite
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Do you think that 'God' is a mask or a face?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
At this point, Ebioite, all I can say is have a good evening.People and persons are different things.
No, that is not supported by the text.
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deuteronomy 10:17, KJV
[How much less to him] that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all [are] the work of his hands.
Job 34:19, KJV
noun masculineProverbs 25:23 and (Ezekiel = Proverbs 21:21 = edge; on 2 Samuel 10:9 see below) feminine face, also faces (as turned toward one);
person | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
The online etymology dictionary (etymonline) is the internet's go-to source for quick and reliable accounts of the origin and history of English words, phrases, and idioms. It is professional enough to satisfy academic standards, but accessible enough to be used by anyone.
c. 1200, persoun, "an individual, a human being," from Old French persone "human being, anyone, person" (12c., Modern French personne) and directly from Latin persona "human being, person, personage; a part in a drama, assumed character," originally "a mask, a false face," such as those of wood or clay, covering the whole head, worn by the actors in later Roman theater. OED offers the general 19c. explanation of persona as "related to" Latin personare "to sound through" (i.e. the mask as something spoken through and perhaps amplifying the voice), "but the long o makes a difficulty ...." Klein and Barnhart say it is possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu "mask." De Vaan has no entry for it.
Trailblazer
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Do you think that verse means that God IS a person?
Ebionite
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Because of Comstantine's cult of Sol Invictus.
Sol Invictus
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Again, Ebionite, at this point I hope you have a good evening.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I think you don't understand it and do not want to understand it, so I will say I hope you have a good night.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Deuteronomy 10:17, KJV
How do you know that I don't understand it and do not want to understand it? We never even discussed it.
Thank you and likewise!
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
You have a really good attitude, I like reading your comments. much kindness to you and your family.
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Hope everything's going good for you Kenny and your wife, if you need anything at all, all you have to do is ask you are my superhero.
Acts 14: 15 a " We also are men with the same nature as you,”Hope everything's going good for you Kenn5 y and your wife, if you need anything at all, all you have to do is ask you are my superhero.
But we are doing well.