Jimmy
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That tells me nothing. Bahais believe Jesus was a messenger of God, nothing more, which means a regular man.
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walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
Can't find the words: New World Order on Earth
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Jimmy
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Let me ask you this. Is there anybody else in the Bahai faith born of the substance of God himself?
Jimmy
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Does your gleanings explain what born of the substance of God himself means?
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
It doesn't really matter, The Bible's words are clear, a new heavens and a new earth.
These are the words in Revelation, The New Testament, The Old Testament.
If you want more examples I'll be happy to provide them.
walt
Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
There are 305 pages in this book, Which page?
Jimmy
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Bahais have twisted the Bible all up
Jimmy
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Born of the substance of God himself? That sounds like every Joe out there.
I wouldn't say Bahais are really a "biblical" religion. But the same could be said of other religions such as Islam, which accepts but at the same time re-interprets some biblical teachings, just as Mormonism does.
Jehovah's Witnesses have full confidence in the Bible as divinely inspired, and in no way do we believe that it is insufficient to acquire the knowledge needed to obtain eternal life. Jesus said:
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
If someone considers the Bible as a book truly inspired by God and Jesus Christ as the Messiah that the Creator had promised to his people in ancient times, by deduction they would accept that Jesus is the only means of salvation for men in consecuence of his own sacrifice. Only the knowledge that refers to Jehovah and his Son Jesus that he sent from heaven, are sufficient to obtain "everlasting life".
Actually, although there may have been many wise humans throughout the ages, not a single one of them was sent down from heaven by God, none of them died a sacrificial death to reconcile imperfect humanity to its Creator, none of them was declared His Son by the mouth of God Himself in front of other humans, none of them was resurrected and seen by a multitude of eyewitnesses as He ascended to heaven, none of them spoke from heaven to His disciples, and none of them was seated at the right hand of God as the future King of mankind... except Jesus.
That's what someone who accepts the Bible as divinely inspired believes, since those things are what it teaches.
Jehovah's Witnesses have full confidence in the Bible as divinely inspired, and in no way do we believe that it is insufficient to acquire the knowledge needed to obtain eternal life. Jesus said:
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
If someone considers the Bible as a book truly inspired by God and Jesus Christ as the Messiah that the Creator had promised to his people in ancient times, by deduction they would accept that Jesus is the only means of salvation for men in consecuence of his own sacrifice. Only the knowledge that refers to Jehovah and his Son Jesus that he sent from heaven, are sufficient to obtain "everlasting life".
Actually, although there may have been many wise humans throughout the ages, not a single one of them was sent down from heaven by God, none of them died a sacrificial death to reconcile imperfect humanity to its Creator, none of them was declared His Son by the mouth of God Himself in front of other humans, none of them was resurrected and seen by a multitude of eyewitnesses as He ascended to heaven, none of them spoke from heaven to His disciples, and none of them was seated at the right hand of God as the future King of mankind... except Jesus.
That's what someone who accepts the Bible as divinely inspired believes, since those things are what it teaches.
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English is not my first language, but this saying has come to mind: “don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater”.
I would say that this biblical passage indicates the same idea:
Rom. 3:1 What, then, is the advantage of the Jew, or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 A great deal in every way. First of all, that they were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God. 3 What, then, is the case? If some lacked faith, will their lack of faith invalidate the faithfulness of God? 4 Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.”
That's very interesting, and laudable.
Please tell me: is that a result of all the Bahais in the world having a centralized leadership that interprets Baha'i's writings for all of you, or does it mean that everyone who reads those writings understands the same things?
Trailblazer
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No, we believe that Jesus was a Manifestation of God as well as a and as a Manifestation of God He had a twofold nature, one nature human, the other nature divine.
Trailblazer
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You mean you can't find that exact wording in the Bible?
Why would you expect to find the same wording in a new revelation from God?
Do you think you know what the following verses are talking about?
Revelation 21
New International Version
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
I believe that are talking about the New World Order on Earth.
Baha'is believe that the New Earth is a new world order in which we will see the spiritualization of the peoples of the world and man will become a noble being adorned with divine virtues and perfections:
New Race of Men | Bahá’í Quotes
The “World Order” that Baha’is envision pertains to a number of subjects: politics and governance, economics, society, and religion, as is covered briefly in this blog:
Toward a New World Order? | Baha'i Blog
If you have spent a considerable amount of time reading the Writings of the Baha'i Faith, it is likely that you have come across language regarding the relationship between the Faith and a new “World Order.” One of the passages that is most frequently quoted in relation to this theme is this...
www.bahaiblog.net
Trailblazer
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No, only the Bab and Baha'u'llah were.
Trailblazer
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Yes, it is embedded somewhere in that text. It means that Manifestations of God have a divine nature.
Trailblazer
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But as I just asked you in the last post, what do you think that means?
What will the new earth be like? New can mean anything that isn't like the old.
Trailblazer
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The verses are all throughout the book.
Trailblazer
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No, what we have done is straighten it out after the Christians twisted it all up.
Trailblazer
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No, only Manifestations of God are Born of the substance of God.
Trailblazer
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No, it is not a biblical religion since it is based upon a NEW revelation from God which was received by Baha'u'llah.
Trailblazer
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Bahá’u’lláh said:
“The Book of God is wide open, and His Word is summoning mankind unto Him. No more than a mere handful, however, hath been found willing to cleave to His Cause, or to become the instruments for its promotion. These few have been endued with the Divine Elixir that can, alone, transmute into purest gold the dross of the world, and have been empowered to administer the infallible remedy for all the ills that afflict the children of men. “No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.”
Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 183-184