Technical?,interesting.
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Let's see if we can define 'Islamophobia'.
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Technical?,interesting.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Absolutely. There are books written about it. You should do research prior to making conjecture.
Are those books right though,or is it more likely that it’s not technical at all.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
You're worse than terrorists who attempt to justify their evil behaviour, imo.
You have an agenda of promoting hate, through the cherry-picking of Scripture.
..and G-d knows what is in the hearts of men.
G-d guides whomsoever He wills .. the devil seeks discord, and destruction.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
How ridiculous .. one can pick up a free copy of Qur'an in English in many bookshops.
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
There's a difference between having an agenda of hate and exposing an agenda of hate.
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
How ridiculous .. one can pick up a free copy of Qur'an in English in many bookshops.
Sure they can, but how many do? And from those of us who do, they do not want to hear our complaints about it.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
There is .. but you do not understand what is going on.
If the boot was on the other foot..
Imagine living in a nation with hyperinflation .. through no fault of your own.
Perhaps you are one of those people who assume that US and UK prosperity is
something to do with being superior to other nations .. I'm afraid not.
It's all an illusion, created by financial manipulation .. falsehood always fails in the end.
It is an enemy to itself.
Print money .. raise interest rates .. lower interest rates .. "rinse & repeat".
Wealthy 3 : Poor 0
Well, what do you expect? People just to roll over?
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
There is .. but you do not understand what is going on.
If the boot was on the other foot..
Imagine living in a nation with hyperinflation .. through no fault of your own.
Perhaps you are one of those people who assume that US and UK prosperity is
something to do with being superior to other nations .. I'm afraid not.
It's all an illusion, created by financial manipulation .. falsehood always fails in the end.
It is an enemy to itself.
Print money .. raise interest rates .. lower interest rates .. "rinse & repeat".
Wealthy 3 : Poor 0
Well, what do you expect? People just to roll over?
And here I was thinking I had heard every non sequitur/deflection.
If poverty were a legitimate excuse, then where are the terrorists from all the other poor regioons of the world?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Do you live in the US?
Have you heard what Trump calls Latino-Americans?
"I'm going to build a wall" bla bla
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
What does that have to do with terrorism? What are you even talking about?????
Augustus
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The Quran can be used to legitimise violence in certain circumstances of course.
In what circumstances these are depends very much on the individual, as despite your unsupported assertions to the contrary, religions evolve and adapt in many ways leading to a wide range of beliefs emerging from the same source material.
Most don’t interpret verses in isolation as endless imperatives for wars of aggression.
Saying X can be used to justify violence therefore X makes people more violent than they would otherwise be is obviously fallacious logic though. If you can’t understand that, then no one can help you. It just means you lack the mental toolkit to understand the world around you with any nuance.
The nation state (2 world wars and countless others), social progress (Communism, Fascism, colonialism) and even upholding human rights (Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, etc) have been used as justification for wars resulting in hundreds of millions of deaths in the past 200 years. Probably more than have even been killed in the name of Islam.
There is nothing magical about religious texts that make humans violent, humans can justify and rationalise violence with pretty much anything and we always have been and always will be a violent species of animal.
BrightShadow
Active Member
Humans are not an animal who could be controlled like dogs or horses!
Humans fight for many reasons including but not limited to - love, family, power, freedom, self preservations, sacrifice, pride, racial differences, religious differences, cultural differences & against oppression. The biggest reason many wars are fought is "land"!
The latest conflicts in the world between humans are about oppression and land disputes.
It is not about religion but some paid chills are disparately trying to sell - it is!
I thought ChatGPT will open up the OP's eyes but it didn't!
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
No doubt there are aspects of Islamic belief, history and culture which a reasonable person might find offensive. As there are aspects of all beliefs, histories and culture which are certain to offend. But to look at any complex phenomenon and only see the negative; that’s a sickness in the eye of the beholder.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
For the past decade, the national conversation on terrorism has largely focused on Islamic extremist acts, however, law enforcement groups have made it clear that Muslim extremists perpetrate a minute percentage of the ideologically based terrorist attacks which are perpetrated in the United States. Since November 9, 2001, only about 9 American Muslims per year have taken part in terrorist plots in the United States, in total, 20 incidents resulted in about 50 deaths. A 2012 study showed that in about the same time period right-wing extremists were responsible for about 337 attacks per year, in total, they killed more than 5 times the number of people killed by Muslims in the United States.
Terrorism_in_the_United_States - Wikipedia
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Maybe you do not live in the US, and are more aware of European politics.
Since 9 / 11 (2001), you would be right in thinking that the majority of terrorist acts
in Europe are Islamist related.
You blame Islam and the Qur'an .. I don't. Why is it, that before 9 / 11, there were more
nationalist and far-right inspired acts of terrorism than Islamist?
Terrorism_in_Europe - Wikipedia
firedragon
Veteran Member
Well, if you have made up your mind that even academic books are simply wrong because you don't like what they say, then it's absolutely useless to have a conversation about it.
Cheers.
Lol I’m not scared of Labour or Islam,I do fear for the UK and our people who should come first and are not.
stevecanuck
Well-Known Member
The word "offend" doesn't even come close. "Threaten" is more like it.