Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

[FearGod]

"first by talking with her, 2nd is to leave her bed and 3rd is to protest the same
way that some goes in a hunger strike"

Is that based on your own translation? First is poor and second and third aren't even accurate. I'm trying to figure out if it's a knowledge issue in a lot of your posts or intentional deception?

You can think of it according to your understanding.

 

[Deidre]

I am not angry at you or Muslims in general. I am frustrated by FG's avoidance of the verse and the word in question. Ignoring the sources from Islamic translation, lexicons, linguistic documentation, etc. Due to FG's religious ideology there is no ability to call it what it is since FG is emotional invested into the belief system. This is a failure of all religions as people will conform their religion to modern views, yet deny doing so, then claim their view is the only correct one while being correct since day 1. Sources and academia be damned.

I am showing a supposed text from God commanding an immoral act, physical abuse, which should no longer be acceptable by anyone nor even put forward by God. It reflects the culture of the era not any all knowing God. If mere humans can develop a better way to resolve issues with a spouse then this goes far into undermining the claims of your religion. Humans out thought God... I hope Muslims ignore this versus completely but this would require abandonment of literalism in the belief of dictation from God to Gab to Mo. It could be inspired by God but still written by a limited human thus contains errors and bad ideas.

I like this insight.

 

[Sees]

You can think of it according to your understanding.

Thanks, I'm too nice to post that opinion but keep up the good work. I think most are looking for what you are doing here more than anything else...give the people what they want and all that.

 

[Deidre]

You can think of it according to your understanding.

I'm curious about something FearGod. Do you believe everything must literally be followed in Islam, or can you also allow some self interpretation to take place? In Christianity, no one is required to take every passage, literally. There is fundamental doctrine that one must believe literally, but there are a great many other areas that don't require a Christian to view the Bible as 100% literal.

 

[Shad]

http://www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/strike/

The word can be يضرب or اضرب or اضراب as verb and noun

Already linked the word in the verse specifically using the same website. Your point has no merit.

Opps guess I didn't link it in the previous post. Still refuted. Do take note the first translation is a reference to the word in the exact verse I am talking about.

http://www.almaany.com/en/dict/ar-en/strike/home.php?word=وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ&lang_name=ar-en&type_word=0&dspl=0

Missing paddles and all that.

 

[paarsurrey]

Refuted by the lexicon. You are reinterpreting the word due to modern usage of the English meaning then inferring that the Arabic meaning 1400 years ago is the same. Never mind my sources below which confirm my views.

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(4:34:29)
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb#(7:160:13)
https://www.google.ca/search?q=اضراب&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ZXAtVojACdjqoASi15XoBA#q=translation+اضراب

The root d-r-b is not necessarily used for beating to hurt severely or to injure one:
Quote:
"Quran Dictionary - ض ر ب
The triliteral root ḍād rā bā (ض ر ب) occurs 58 times in the Quran, in two derived forms:

• 55 times as the form I verb ḍaraba (ضَرَبَ)
• three times as the noun ḍarb (ضَرْب)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have arange of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.

Verb (form I) - to strike, to set forth
(2:26:6) yaḍriba set forth إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَسْتَحْيِي أَنْ يَضْرِبَ مَثَلًا مَا بَعُوضَةً فَمَا فَوْقَهَا
(2:60:6) iḍ'rib Strike وَإِذِ اسْتَسْقَىٰ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِ فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبْ بِعَصَاكَ الْحَجَرَ
(2:61:37) waḍuribat And were struck وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ وَالْمَسْكَنَةُ وَبَاءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ
(2:73:2) iḍ'ribūhu Strike him فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبُوهُ بِبَعْضِهَا كَذَٰلِكَ يُحْيِي اللَّهُ الْمَوْتَىٰ
(3:112:1) ḍuribat Struck ضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ أَيْنَ مَا ثُقِفُوا
(3:112:18) waḍuribat and struck وَبَاءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الْمَسْكَنَةُ
(3:156:11) ḍarabū they traveled إِذَا ضَرَبُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَوْ كَانُوا غُزًّى لَوْ كَانُوا عِنْدَنَا مَا مَاتُوا وَمَا قُتِلُوا
(4:34:29) wa-iḍ'ribūhunna and [finally] strike them فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ
(4:94:5) ḍarabtum you go forth يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا
(4:101:2) ḍarabtum you travel وَإِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَنْ تَقْصُرُوا مِنَ الصَّلَاةِ
(5:106:22) ḍarabtum (are) travel(ing) إِنْ أَنْتُمْ ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَأَصَابَتْكُمْ مُصِيبَةُ الْمَوْتِ
(7:160:13) iḍ'rib Strike وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ إِذِ اسْتَسْقَاهُ قَوْمُهُ أَنِ اضْرِبْ بِعَصَاكَ الْحَجَرَ
(8:12:17) fa-iḍ'ribū so strike فَاضْرِبُوا فَوْقَ الْأَعْنَاقِ
(8:12:20) wa-iḍ'ribū and strike وَاضْرِبُوا مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
(8:50:8) yaḍribūna striking وَلَوْ تَرَىٰ إِذْ يَتَوَفَّى الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ
(13:17:24) yaḍribu sets forth كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْحَقَّ وَالْبَاطِلَ
(13:17:40) yaḍribu Allah sets forth كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ
(14:24:4) ḍaraba Allah sets forth أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا كَلِمَةً طَيِّبَةً كَشَجَرَةٍ طَيِّبَةٍ
(14:25:7) wayaḍribu And Allah sets forth وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ
(14:45:12) waḍarabnā and We put forth وَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمْ كَيْفَ فَعَلْنَا بِهِمْ وَضَرَبْنَا لَكُمُ الْأَمْثَالَ
(16:74:2) taḍribū put forth فَلَا تَضْرِبُوا لِلَّهِ الْأَمْثَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
(16:75:1) ḍaraba Allah sets forth ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا عَبْدًا مَمْلُوكًا لَا يَقْدِرُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ
(16:76:1) waḍaraba And Allah sets forth وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا رَجُلَيْنِ أَحَدُهُمَا أَبْكَمُ لَا يَقْدِرُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ
(16:112:1) waḍaraba And Allah sets forth وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا قَرْيَةً كَانَتْ آمِنَةً مُطْمَئِنَّةً يَأْتِيهَا رِزْقُهَا رَغَدًا
(17:48:3) ḍarabū they put forth انْظُرْ كَيْفَ ضَرَبُوا لَكَ الْأَمْثَالَ فَضَلُّوا فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَبِيلًا
(18:11:1) faḍarabnā So We cast فَضَرَبْنَا عَلَىٰ آذَانِهِمْ فِي الْكَهْفِ سِنِينَ عَدَدًا
(18:32:1) wa-iḍ'rib And set forth وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا رَجُلَيْنِ جَعَلْنَا لِأَحَدِهِمَا جَنَّتَيْنِ مِنْ أَعْنَابٍ
(18:45:1) wa-iḍ'rib And present وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا كَمَاءٍ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ

http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb
Regards (continued in the next post)

 

[paarsurrey]

(Continued from the previous post)
(20:77:8) fa-iḍ'rib and strike أَنْ أَسْرِ بِعِبَادِي فَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ طَرِيقًا فِي الْبَحْرِ يَبَسًا
(22:73:3) ḍuriba Is set forth يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ
(24:31:15) walyaḍrib'na And let them draw وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ
(24:31:64) yaḍrib'na let them stamp وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِنْ زِينَتِهِنَّ
(24:35:41) wayaḍribu And Allah sets forth وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
(25:9:3) ḍarabū they set forth انْظُرْ كَيْفَ ضَرَبُوا لَكَ الْأَمْثَالَ فَضَلُّوا فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَبِيلًا
(25:39:2) ḍarabnā We have set forth وَكُلًّا ضَرَبْنَا لَهُ الْأَمْثَالَ وَكُلًّا تَبَّرْنَا تَتْبِيرًا
(26:63:5) iḍ'rib Strike فَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ أَنِ اضْرِبْ بِعَصَاكَ الْبَحْرَ
(29:43:3) naḍribuhā We set forth وَتِلْكَ الْأَمْثَالُ نَضْرِبُهَا لِلنَّاسِ وَمَا يَعْقِلُهَا إِلَّا الْعَالِمُونَ
(30:28:1) ḍaraba He sets forth ضَرَبَ لَكُمْ مَثَلًا مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ
(30:58:2) ḍarabnā We (have) set forth وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ
(36:13:1) wa-iḍ'rib And set forth وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ
(36:78:1) waḍaraba And he sets forth وَضَرَبَ لَنَا مَثَلًا وَنَسِيَ خَلْقَهُ قَالَ مَنْ يُحْيِي الْعِظَامَ وَهِيَ رَمِيمٌ
(38:44:4) fa-iḍ'rib and strike وَخُذْ بِيَدِكَ ضِغْثًا فَاضْرِبْ بِهِ وَلَا تَحْنَثْ
(39:27:2) ḍarabnā We have set forth وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ
(39:29:1) ḍaraba Allah sets forth ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا رَجُلًا فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ مُتَشَاكِسُونَ
(43:5:1) afanaḍribu Then should We take away أَفَنَضْرِبُ عَنْكُمُ الذِّكْرَ صَفْحًا أَنْ كُنْتُمْ قَوْمًا مُسْرِفِينَ
(43:17:5) ḍaraba he sets up وَإِذَا بُشِّرَ أَحَدُهُمْ بِمَا ضَرَبَ لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ مَثَلًا ظَلَّ وَجْهُهُ مُسْوَدًّا
(43:57:2) ḍuriba is presented وَلَمَّا ضُرِبَ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ مَثَلًا إِذَا قَوْمُكَ مِنْهُ يَصِدُّونَ
(43:58:7) ḍarabūhu they present it وَقَالُوا أَآلِهَتُنَا خَيْرٌ أَمْ هُوَ مَا ضَرَبُوهُ لَكَ إِلَّا جَدَلًا
(47:3:15) yaḍribu Allah presents كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ لِلنَّاسِ أَمْثَالَهُمْ
(47:27:5) yaḍribūna striking فَكَيْفَ إِذَا تَوَفَّتْهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ
(57:13:16) faḍuriba Then will be put up فَضُرِبَ بَيْنَهُمْ بِسُورٍ لَهُ بَابٌ بَاطِنُهُ فِيهِ الرَّحْمَةُ
(59:21:15) naḍribuhā We present them وَتِلْكَ الْأَمْثَالُ نَضْرِبُهَا لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
(66:10:1) ḍaraba Presents ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا امْرَأَتَ نُوحٍ وَامْرَأَتَ لُوطٍ
(66:11:1) waḍaraba And presents وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا امْرَأَتَ فِرْعَوْنَ
(73:20:37) yaḍribūna traveling وَآخَرُونَ يَضْرِبُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ يَبْتَغُونَ مِنْ فَضْلِ اللَّهِ
Noun
(2:273:9) ḍarban (to) move about لِلْفُقَرَاءِ الَّذِينَ أُحْصِرُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ ضَرْبًا فِي الْأَرْضِ
(37:93:3) ḍarban striking فَرَاغَ عَلَيْهِمْ ضَرْبًا بِالْيَمِينِ
(47:4:5) faḍarba then strike فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ
Unquote
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb
Regards

 

[Shad]

The root d-r-b is not necessarily used for beating to hurt severely or to injure one:
Quran Dictionary - ض ر ب
The triliteral root ḍād rā bā (ض ر ب) occurs 58 times in the Quran, in two derived forms:

• 55 times as the form I verb ḍaraba (ضَرَبَ)
• three times as the noun ḍarb (ضَرْب)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have arange of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.

Verb (form I) - to strike, to set forth
(2:26:6) yaḍriba set forth إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَسْتَحْيِي أَنْ يَضْرِبَ مَثَلًا مَا بَعُوضَةً فَمَا فَوْقَهَا
(2:60:6) iḍ'rib Strike وَإِذِ اسْتَسْقَىٰ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِ فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبْ بِعَصَاكَ الْحَجَرَ
(2:61:37) waḍuribat And were struck وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ وَالْمَسْكَنَةُ وَبَاءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ
(2:73:2) iḍ'ribūhu Strike him فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبُوهُ بِبَعْضِهَا كَذَٰلِكَ يُحْيِي اللَّهُ الْمَوْتَىٰ
(3:112:1) ḍuribat Struck ضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ أَيْنَ مَا ثُقِفُوا
(3:112:18) waḍuribat and struck وَبَاءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الْمَسْكَنَةُ
(3:156:11) ḍarabū they traveled إِذَا ضَرَبُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَوْ كَانُوا غُزًّى لَوْ كَانُوا عِنْدَنَا مَا مَاتُوا وَمَا قُتِلُوا
(4:34:29) wa-iḍ'ribūhunna and [finally] strike them فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ
(4:94:5) ḍarabtum you go forth يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا
(4:101:2) ḍarabtum you travel وَإِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَنْ تَقْصُرُوا مِنَ الصَّلَاةِ
(5:106:22) ḍarabtum (are) travel(ing) إِنْ أَنْتُمْ ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَأَصَابَتْكُمْ مُصِيبَةُ الْمَوْتِ
(7:160:13) iḍ'rib Strike وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ إِذِ اسْتَسْقَاهُ قَوْمُهُ أَنِ اضْرِبْ بِعَصَاكَ الْحَجَرَ
(8:12:17) fa-iḍ'ribū so strike فَاضْرِبُوا فَوْقَ الْأَعْنَاقِ
(8:12:20) wa-iḍ'ribū and strike وَاضْرِبُوا مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
(8:50:8) yaḍribūna striking وَلَوْ تَرَىٰ إِذْ يَتَوَفَّى الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ
(13:17:24) yaḍribu sets forth كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْحَقَّ وَالْبَاطِلَ
(13:17:40) yaḍribu Allah sets forth كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ
(14:24:4) ḍaraba Allah sets forth أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا كَلِمَةً طَيِّبَةً كَشَجَرَةٍ طَيِّبَةٍ
(14:25:7) wayaḍribu And Allah sets forth وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ
(14:45:12) waḍarabnā and We put forth وَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمْ كَيْفَ فَعَلْنَا بِهِمْ وَضَرَبْنَا لَكُمُ الْأَمْثَالَ
(16:74:2) taḍribū put forth فَلَا تَضْرِبُوا لِلَّهِ الْأَمْثَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
(16:75:1) ḍaraba Allah sets forth ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا عَبْدًا مَمْلُوكًا لَا يَقْدِرُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ
(16:76:1) waḍaraba And Allah sets forth وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا رَجُلَيْنِ أَحَدُهُمَا أَبْكَمُ لَا يَقْدِرُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ
(16:112:1) waḍaraba And Allah sets forth وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا قَرْيَةً كَانَتْ آمِنَةً مُطْمَئِنَّةً يَأْتِيهَا رِزْقُهَا رَغَدًا
(17:48:3) ḍarabū they put forth انْظُرْ كَيْفَ ضَرَبُوا لَكَ الْأَمْثَالَ فَضَلُّوا فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَبِيلًا
(18:11:1) faḍarabnā So We cast فَضَرَبْنَا عَلَىٰ آذَانِهِمْ فِي الْكَهْفِ سِنِينَ عَدَدًا
(18:32:1) wa-iḍ'rib And set forth وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا رَجُلَيْنِ جَعَلْنَا لِأَحَدِهِمَا جَنَّتَيْنِ مِنْ أَعْنَابٍ
(18:45:1) wa-iḍ'rib And present وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا كَمَاءٍ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ

http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb
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All you have done is just confirm my view and refuted FG's. Do read the verses you have listed especially the one in question which is near the top. You used the exact same source I did thus agree with my view completely. Thanks.

 

[FearGod]

Thanks, I'm too nice to post that opinion but keep up the good work. I think most are looking for what you are doing here more than anything else...give the people what they want and all that.

Thanks.

 

[FearGod]

I'm curious about something FearGod. Do you believe everything must literally be followed in Islam, or can you also allow some self interpretation to take place? In Christianity, no one is required to take every passage, literally. There is fundamental doctrine that one must believe literally, but there are a great many other areas that don't require a Christian to view the Bible as 100% literal.

Yes i believe it should be literally understood otherwise it'll turn to be a guess work which doesn't make sense to me.

 

[paarsurrey]

To me the point of the thread is valid and important, and that is that it is disingenuous to say "Islam is a religion of Peace". The reason that this is important is that productive discussion has to start with a foundation of truth.
What I hope for is a substantial reformation of all of the Abrahamic religions, but Islam's reformation is the most urgent. (And in order to forestall common responses, no, I don't lay all the problems of the world on Islam.)

Islam's reformation has already been made with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, if one listens and lends one's ear to him.
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[FearGod]

(Continued from the previous post)
(20:77:8) fa-iḍ'rib and strike أَنْ أَسْرِ بِعِبَادِي فَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ طَرِيقًا فِي الْبَحْرِ يَبَسًا
(22:73:3) ḍuriba Is set forth يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ ضُرِبَ مَثَلٌ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ
(24:31:15) walyaḍrib'na And let them draw وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ
(24:31:64) yaḍrib'na let them stamp وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِنْ زِينَتِهِنَّ
(24:35:41) wayaḍribu And Allah sets forth وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
(25:9:3) ḍarabū they set forth انْظُرْ كَيْفَ ضَرَبُوا لَكَ الْأَمْثَالَ فَضَلُّوا فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَبِيلًا
(25:39:2) ḍarabnā We have set forth وَكُلًّا ضَرَبْنَا لَهُ الْأَمْثَالَ وَكُلًّا تَبَّرْنَا تَتْبِيرًا
(26:63:5) iḍ'rib Strike فَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ أَنِ اضْرِبْ بِعَصَاكَ الْبَحْرَ
(29:43:3) naḍribuhā We set forth وَتِلْكَ الْأَمْثَالُ نَضْرِبُهَا لِلنَّاسِ وَمَا يَعْقِلُهَا إِلَّا الْعَالِمُونَ
(30:28:1) ḍaraba He sets forth ضَرَبَ لَكُمْ مَثَلًا مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ
(30:58:2) ḍarabnā We (have) set forth وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ
(36:13:1) wa-iḍ'rib And set forth وَاضْرِبْ لَهُمْ مَثَلًا أَصْحَابَ الْقَرْيَةِ إِذْ جَاءَهَا الْمُرْسَلُونَ
(36:78:1) waḍaraba And he sets forth وَضَرَبَ لَنَا مَثَلًا وَنَسِيَ خَلْقَهُ قَالَ مَنْ يُحْيِي الْعِظَامَ وَهِيَ رَمِيمٌ
(38:44:4) fa-iḍ'rib and strike وَخُذْ بِيَدِكَ ضِغْثًا فَاضْرِبْ بِهِ وَلَا تَحْنَثْ
(39:27:2) ḍarabnā We have set forth وَلَقَدْ ضَرَبْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ
(39:29:1) ḍaraba Allah sets forth ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا رَجُلًا فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ مُتَشَاكِسُونَ
(43:5:1) afanaḍribu Then should We take away أَفَنَضْرِبُ عَنْكُمُ الذِّكْرَ صَفْحًا أَنْ كُنْتُمْ قَوْمًا مُسْرِفِينَ
(43:17:5) ḍaraba he sets up وَإِذَا بُشِّرَ أَحَدُهُمْ بِمَا ضَرَبَ لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ مَثَلًا ظَلَّ وَجْهُهُ مُسْوَدًّا
(43:57:2) ḍuriba is presented وَلَمَّا ضُرِبَ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ مَثَلًا إِذَا قَوْمُكَ مِنْهُ يَصِدُّونَ
(43:58:7) ḍarabūhu they present it وَقَالُوا أَآلِهَتُنَا خَيْرٌ أَمْ هُوَ مَا ضَرَبُوهُ لَكَ إِلَّا جَدَلًا
(47:3:15) yaḍribu Allah presents كَذَٰلِكَ يَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ لِلنَّاسِ أَمْثَالَهُمْ
(47:27:5) yaḍribūna striking فَكَيْفَ إِذَا تَوَفَّتْهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ
(57:13:16) faḍuriba Then will be put up فَضُرِبَ بَيْنَهُمْ بِسُورٍ لَهُ بَابٌ بَاطِنُهُ فِيهِ الرَّحْمَةُ
(59:21:15) naḍribuhā We present them وَتِلْكَ الْأَمْثَالُ نَضْرِبُهَا لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
(66:10:1) ḍaraba Presents ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا امْرَأَتَ نُوحٍ وَامْرَأَتَ لُوطٍ
(66:11:1) waḍaraba And presents وَضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا امْرَأَتَ فِرْعَوْنَ
(73:20:37) yaḍribūna traveling وَآخَرُونَ يَضْرِبُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ يَبْتَغُونَ مِنْ فَضْلِ اللَّهِ
Noun
(2:273:9) ḍarban (to) move about لِلْفُقَرَاءِ الَّذِينَ أُحْصِرُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ ضَرْبًا فِي الْأَرْضِ
(37:93:3) ḍarban striking فَرَاغَ عَلَيْهِمْ ضَرْبًا بِالْيَمِينِ
(47:4:5) faḍarba then strike فَإِذَا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ
Unquote
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Drb
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It means cut the neck in some verses.

 

[paarsurrey]

Irrelevant tripe. Your same argument can be used against your views. Beside history shows there is a major lack of female rulers for centuries. A female ruler was rare. How many female Caliphs were there? How many governors? How many clerics? How many politicians? How many generals? The lack of women in power in comparison to men shows the male domination of society for centuries. Pick up a history book and educate yourself

Nice try but you failed. Try again son.

Is friend FearGod your son really. If not please treat him as your friend.
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[Shad]

It means cut the neck in some verses.

Which is just another word for striking the neck with an sharp object. Which still does nothing to support your protest nonsense.

 

[Deidre]

Yes i believe it should be literally understood otherwise it'll turn to be a guess work which doesn't make sense to me.

But what do you make of Muslim scholars who say that Sharia Law should be reinterpreted to 'adapt' to new circumstances and new conditions now in a new era?

 

[FearGod]

Please quote some lexicon in Arabic to English for understanding of the meaning of the word.
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This lexicon is rich with all meanings http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/
first letter ض then ضر then ضرب
About 5-6 pages for the meaning of ضرب

 

[Shad]

Is friend FearGod your son really. If not please treat him as your friend.
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Respect is earned and lost as is friendship. FG was never a friend thus I do not need to treat him as one. FG lost my respect along time ago.

 

[FearGod]

But what do you make of Muslim scholars who say that Sharia Law should be reinterpreted to 'adapt' to new circumstances and new conditions now in a new era?

Sharia law should be tolerant and merciful, For example while the punishment for the thief is harsh but still forgiveness
should be valid, one of the rulers cancelled the law of cutting off the hands of the thieves because they were in need
to steal in order to survive, so yes i agree it can be modified if a merciful options exists.

 

[Shad]

This lexicon is rich with all meanings http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/
first letter ض then ضر then ضرب
About 5-6 pages for the meaning of ضرب

Go ahead and read pages 1777-1783 in which definitions related to a person or body part physically striking them.

 

[paarsurrey]

The verse is misinterpreted by the scholars, strike which means go in strike as means of protesting, the verse says leave their beds and go in strike,
strike in Arabic has 2 meanings similar to English, to beat or to protest.

The English word strike seems to be like the Arabic root word D-r-b. Is there something to it?
strike
Origin

Old English strīcan ‘go, flow’ and ‘rub lightly’; related to German streichen ‘to stroke,’ also to stroke. The sense ‘deliver a blow’ dates from Middle English.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=strike etymology

strike (v.)
Old English strican (past tense strac, past participle stricen) "pass lightly over, stroke, smooth, rub," also "go, move, proceed," from Proto-Germanic *strikan- (cognates: Old Norse strykva"to stroke," Old Frisian strika, Middle Dutch streken, Dutch strijken "to smooth, stroke, rub," Old High German strihhan, German streichen), from PIE root *streig- "to stroke, rub, press" (see strigil). Related to streak and stroke, and perhaps influenced in sense development by cognate Old Norse striuka.

Sense of "to deal a blow" developed by early 14c.; meaning "to collide" is from mid-14c.; that of "to hit with a missile" is from late 14c. Meaning "to cancel or expunge" (as with the stroke of a pen) is attested from late 14c. A Middle English sense is preserved in strike for "go toward." Sense of "come upon, find" is from 1835 (especially in mining, well-digging, etc., hence strike it rich, 1854). Baseball sense is from 1853. To strike a balance is from the sense "balance accounts" (1530s).

Meaning "refuse to work to force an employer to meet demands" is from 1768, perhaps from notion of striking or "downing" one's tools, or from sailors' practice of striking (lowering) a ship's sails as a symbol of refusal to go to sea (1768), which preserves the verb's original sense of "make level, smooth."
strike (n.)
1580s, "act of striking," from strike (v.). Meaning "concentrated cessation of work by a body of employees" is from 1810. Baseball sense is first recorded 1841, originally meaning any contact with the ball; modern sense developed by 1890s, apparently from foul strike, which counted against the batter, and as hit came to be used for "contact with the ball" this word was left for "a swing and a miss" that counts against the batter; figurative sense of have two strikes against (of a possible three) is from 1938. Bowling sense attested from 1859. Meaning "sudden military attack" is attested from 1942.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=strike

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