Liberals Face Division Over Israel's Human Rights Violations

[Revoltingest]

They teach their young to fight.

Teaching kids to fight (if your claim is true)
doesn't radicalize them. Brutal oppression
by Israel does.

Hamas does I mean, not normal Muslims. What else might work?

End brutal oppression. Allow their economy
to become more than barely above collapse
(which is Israel's stated policy). Comfortable
people are less likely to radicalize.

They have to do something.

Not continuing brutal oppression, &
committing war crimes against them.

 

[Bthoth]

Hamas has waged this entire war on war-crime strategies. The use of civilians has been Hamas's de facto since day one.

So what do you propose? Should the world abandon the whole idea of war crimes?

War crimes:

On 24 March 2009, a report from the UN team responsible for the protection of children in war zones was released: it found "hundreds" of violations of the rights of children and accused Israeli soldiers of using children as human shields, bulldozing a home with a woman and child still inside, and shelling a building


On 25 March 2009, the United States-based human rights organization Human Rights Watch published a 71-page report titled "Rain of Fire, Israel's Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza" and said that Israel's usage of the weapon was illegal.[59] Donatella Rovera, Amnesty's researcher on Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories said that such extensive use of this weapon in Gaza's densely populated residential neighbourhoods is inherently indiscriminate. "Its repeated use in this manner, despite evidence of its indiscriminate effects and its toll on civilians, is a war crime,"

Note the dates.

Then read what happens when they report the crimes:

On 12 January, it was reported that more than 50 phosphorus burns victims were in Nasser Hospital. On 16 January the UNRWA headquarters was hit with phosphorus munitions.[56] As a result of the hit, the compound was set ablaze.

What HAMAS did was wrong and still criminal but Israel has committed crimes and imprisoned palestinians for decades, not to mention the concentration camp (gaza) is an enclosed population.


Keep in mind, the israelis may claim to be a jewish state but i will Not allow people to condemn Jews for what israel is doing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hamas has waged this entire war on war-crime strategies. The use of civilians has been Hamas's de facto since day one.

So what do you propose?

Stop committing war crimes.
Stop brutal oppression of Palestinians.

Should the world abandon the whole idea of war crimes?

No.
What do you think.

 

[Bthoth]

They have the most influence. They are Israel's main backer. The US also vetoes practically all UNSC resolutions against Israel. In other words, the US has accountability, for Israeli actions. To a degree.

Be nice.... I am sorry for what 'we the people' have allowed and with Trump as an example, sometimes crooks can be put into office.

 

[Revoltingest]

I smell Kremlin and Wagner involvement.
Call me a suspicious Simon...
Colour me paranoid...

OK.

 

[Little Dragon]

OK.

It's a bit coincidental, I think. Also the scale of the attack. I am speculating wildly. I just think Putin has a long arm and is capable of anything. He'd stir up that hornets nest since he's got nothing to lose now.

 

[icehorse]

Note the dates.

Why stop at 2009?

What HAMAS did was wrong and still criminal but Israel has committed crimes and imprisoned palestinians for decades, not to mention the concentration camp (gaza) is an enclosed population.


Keep in mind, the israelis may claim to be a jewish state but i will Not allow people to condemn Jews for what israel is doing.

Your historical context seems out of whack.

 

[icehorse]

Stop committing war crimes.

Quite difficult when your enemy's tactics are mostly based on committing war crimes.

Stop brutal oppression of Palestinians.

The world has allowed Hamas to oppress Palestinians for decades.

No.
What do you think.

I think the world should remove terrorist organizations like Hamas. If we had done so decades ago none of this would have happened and the Palestinians in Gaza would have had fine lives.

 

[Little Dragon]

I think the world should remove terrorist organizations like Hamas.

Too bloody right mate.

 

[Bthoth]

Why stop at 2009?

Not enough space nor time to put them all up. I have also found that the more evidence put up the more tangent debating

Your historical context seems out of whack.

Such as......?

 

[Revoltingest]

Quite difficult when your enemy's tactics are mostly based on committing war crimes.

So not committing war crimes is difficult.
Is that justification for them?

The world has allowed Hamas to oppress Palestinians for decades.

Are you stating that as an argument to justify
Israel's brutal oppression of Palestinians?

I think the world should remove terrorist organizations like Hamas. If we had done so decades ago none of this would have happened and the Palestinians in Gaza would have had fine lives.

Wouldn't it be better if Israel didn't brutally
oppress Palestinians, in order to avoid radicalizing
victims to become terrorists?

 

[Little Dragon]

Be nice.... I am sorry for what 'we the people' have allowed and with Trump as an example, sometimes crooks can be put into office.

Hey, I am a big fan of the USA, I got your back, but a true friend will tell you when you're being a tool!
Its the *** kissers that will desert you like hot **** on a summers day when the going gets tough.

 

[Bthoth]

So not committing war crimes is difficult.
Is that justification for them?

Are you stating that as an argument to justify
Israel's brutal oppression of Palestinians?

Wouldn't it be better if Israel didn't brutally
oppress Palestinians, in order to avoid radicalizing
victims to become terrorists?

some folk will ruin their own credibility to defend that apartheid.

I hate that Jews are condemned because the dross justify the criminal activity of Israel.

 

[Little Dragon]

I am sorry for what 'we the people' have allowed and with Trump

Voting in that orange narcissist once is forgivable.

 

[Bthoth]

Voting in that orange narcissist once is forgivable.

And my statement stands; 'anyone that voted for that puke in 2016 should lose their rights to vote'

 

[Revoltingest]

some folk will ruin their own credibility to defend that apartheid.

It's a danger of fervently taking a religious
or national side that one feels must be
defended to the death. All perspective
is out the window.

If one takes the side of human rights,
justice, peace, & prosperity, then one
can freely praise or criticize a player,
whether traditional ally or foe.

 

[Little Dragon]

And my statement stands; 'anyone that voted for that puke in 2016 should lose their rights to vote'

That's a bit strong. How about they're only allowed to eat oatmeal cookies, for a year?

 

[Little Dragon]

It's a danger of fervently taking a side

Well this is an ongoing situation. If other nearby nations, like Iran, decide to weigh in. It's going to get complicated.

 

[Bthoth]

That's a bit strong. How about they're only allowed to eat oatmeal cookies, for a year?

It may seem like it but 'we' dont have that many prisons.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well this is an ongoing situation. If other nearby nations, like Iran, decide to weigh in. It's going to get complicated.

Israel has the ultimate nuclear option, ie, USA's
threat to wipe Iranians off the face of the Earth
if ever they attack Israel. And they mean it.
In just the proxy war using Iraq, USA killed
nearly a million Iranians. But they're only
Muslims used to kill Muslims.