MAGA's response to President Biden's announcement

[Revoltingest]

No, I don't. That is an unproven statement.

Consistent defense of the party,
while attacking the other.
It sure looks like support to me.

....a tu quoque fallacy. Which you are continuing to attempt. Now THAT is ironic.

You really don't know what an informal logical fallacy is?
It's to use one in an argument.
I didn't do that.
I was just struck by the irony of accusing Dems of
dishonesty, when the party you support is worse
in that regard.

 

[Pogo]

Nope. Your opinion isn't enough. Voters were deceived and now their cast ballots for Biden are being disenfranchised. Those are facts.

Actually the fact is that in a primary you are voting for delegates to a party convention, not the candidate themself. If this candidate drops out as Biden has these electors are still legitimate and nobody has been disenfranchised by any definition. Some states actually list the name of the delegate you are actually voting for on the primary ballot.

The Washington Post has a reasonable Q and A on this and other questions. I would suggest accessing it if you can, it will clear up a lot of your misconceptions.

Can Trump stop Biden’s campaign funds from going to Harris? Ask our politics reporters.​

 

[SkepticThinker]

"Investor Whitney Tilson says he felt "deceived" after watching the Biden debate with Trump last week."
A Biden donor says giving him cash is a waste of time and money if that bad debate showed what Biden's really like

"Donors deceived"
Joe Biden's presidential campaign, a slow-motion train wreck

"They’ve deceived and gaslit us for four years, all in the name of ‘democracy.’ That collapsed Thursday."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-de...ry-doesnt-2024-presidential-election-a86a9756

Journalists say they feel deceived. "Many of the journalists who cover Biden every day are seething at what some say is a White House that has deceived them and has kept the president from interacting in an open format with the press."
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-election-07-05-24/index.html

"“The View” host Alyssa Farah Griffin says after watching President Biden’s shaky debate against former President Trump, she feels deceived by the White House about his fitness for office."
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...he-view-biden-trump-presidential-debate-2024/

"Many Americans are furious, feeling that they have been deceived by the White House and the media."
US left-wing media lift silence on President Biden's health

Just a few samples.

Cool, so we know what other may people think.

My questions were posed to you and your thoughts and posts on the subject.

 

[Spice]

There's nothing dishonest about Dem leaders
finally admitting his infirmity, & replacing him
with his VP to run for the Presidency.

Have they admitted "his infirmity?" I still feel his cognitive function is fine, but there was enough question, that it was a very smart strategic move to bow out after the GOP convention. Brilliant, in fact.

 

[Revoltingest]

Have they admitted "his infirmity?"

Yes, tacitly.

I still feel his cognitive function is fine, but there was enough question, that it was a very smart strategic move to bow out after the GOP convention. Brilliant, in fact.

I think it was serendipitous rather than brilliant.
(Brilliance & Biden don't know each other.)

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Vance isn't a likable candidate and Trump may eventually see him as a liability. And it will be too late.

It's already too late. Apparently, Vance wrote the foreword in the Project 2025 book that Trump is trying to distance himself from.

J.D. Vance in Serious Trouble After Damning Project 2025 Book Foreword

The primary voters who voted for Biden were misled and a fraud was perpetrated on them. Now the Democrat apparatus is going to disenfranchise them and nullify their good faith votes.

Do you know the phrase "concern trolling?"

"Concern trolling - the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion."

Thanks for your concern, but it looks like people are pretty happy about passing the baton given the surge in donations (especially small and first time donors) and voter registration immediately following the announcement. Harris will get every former Biden vote plus those new voters that just registered - young people and people of color who weren't enthusiastic about Biden but now want to vote and donate.

The Democrat Party is violating state election laws by switching out Biden.

Your concern is touching, but Biden has the freedom to resign from the race. Nobody else has a say in that decision except those he gave a say to.

Nothing anyone is saying changes your one monomaniac thought process, that is to malign Trump regardless of any facts.

We malign Trump because of the facts. He's a liar, a thief, a serial adulterer, an adjudicated sexual predator, an insurrectionist who stole state secrets, and a convicted felon - and you carry water for him. Add in malignant narcissist, antisocial, dementing visibly, violent, vengeful and authoritarian.

Maybe you don't understand how a person like that can be so despised by so many. If so, I don't understand why you don't despise him, too. The man is contemptible a dozen different ways, but not to you.

Their actions are threat to democracy and the rule of law.

The hypocrisy in your claim has already been noted by others here. You don't seem to have a sense how Trump and his supporters are perceived by his detractors. If you did, you would know better than to write those words.

 

[Argentbear]

Nope. Your opinion isn't enough. Voters were deceived and now their cast ballots for Biden are being disenfranchised. Those are facts.

you have been repeatedly asked to provide evidence for the "facts' ... SO far no evidence from you.

 

[Argentbear]

Yes, it was deceptive. Biden, Harris, all of the administration (and many willing parties in the media) all vehemently denied that Biden would bow out. Voters included those denials as a basis for their votes. These denials were despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Biden knew, or should have known, that he might drop out. As did Harris and members of his administration. Harris met with Biden at least weekly and observed his decline. Yet she denied it. Which means she is either prevaricating or blind to what has become the painfully obvious signs everyone else saw. To not point too fine a point on it, they all lied.

Evidence for any of this

 

[Argentbear]

"Investor Whitney Tilson says he felt "deceived" after watching the Biden debate with Trump last week."
A Biden donor says giving him cash is a waste of time and money if that bad debate showed what Biden's really like

WHich has nothing to do with what you have been claiming as "facts"

"Donors deceived"
Joe Biden's presidential campaign, a slow-motion train wreck

Neither does this.

"They’ve deceived and gaslit us for four years, all in the name of ‘democracy.’ That collapsed Thursday."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-de...ry-doesnt-2024-presidential-election-a86a9756

Or this

Journalists say they feel deceived. "Many of the journalists who cover Biden every day are seething at what some say is a White House that has deceived them and has kept the president from interacting in an open format with the press."
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-election-07-05-24/index.html

Or this

The only one trying to deceive here seems to be you

 

[anna.]

It's already too late. Apparently, Vance wrote the foreword in the Project 2025 book that Trump is trying to distance himself from.

J.D. Vance in Serious Trouble After Damning Project 2025 Book Foreword

I mentioned that in another thread earlier today. Boy would I love to see that foreword right now...

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, it was deceptive. Biden, Harris, all of the administration (and many willing parties in the media) all vehemently denied that Biden would bow out. Voters included those denials as a basis for their votes. These denials were despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Biden knew, or should have known, that he might drop out. As did Harris and members of his administration. Harris met with Biden at least weekly and observed his decline. Yet she denied it. Which means she is either prevaricating or blind to what has become the painfully obvious signs everyone else saw. To not point too fine a point on it, they all lied.

"Yes, it was deceptive. Biden, Harris, all of the administration (and many willing parties in the media) all vehemently denied that Biden would bow out. Voters included those denials as a basis for their votes."

During the primaries when people picked Biden, was there talk or denial about Biden dropping out?
Before the primaries was there talk or denial about Biden dropping out?

Or did this all come about after the debate, well after the primaries?

 

[metis]

Yes, it was deceptive. Biden, Harris, all of the administration (and many willing parties in the media) all vehemently denied that Biden would bow out. Voters included those denials as a basis for their votes. These denials were despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Biden knew, or should have known, that he might drop out. As did Harris and members of his administration. Harris met with Biden at least weekly and observed his decline. Yet she denied it. Which means she is either prevaricating or blind to what has become the painfully obvious signs everyone else saw. To not point too fine a point on it, they all lied.

One of the purposes of having electors is to deal with changes that could take place after the convention. For example, let's say Trump and Biden died after the convention, are we going to go without a president for the next four years?

Maybe stop watching Faux News as they're spout one BS story after another.

 

[metis]

"Investor Whitney Tilson says he felt "deceived" after watching the Biden debate with Trump last week."
A Biden donor says giving him cash is a waste of time and money if that bad debate showed what Biden's really like

"Donors deceived"
Joe Biden's presidential campaign, a slow-motion train wreck

"They’ve deceived and gaslit us for four years, all in the name of ‘democracy.’ That collapsed Thursday."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-de...ry-doesnt-2024-presidential-election-a86a9756

Journalists say they feel deceived. "Many of the journalists who cover Biden every day are seething at what some say is a White House that has deceived them and has kept the president from interacting in an open format with the press."
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-election-07-05-24/index.html

"“The View” host Alyssa Farah Griffin says after watching President Biden’s shaky debate against former President Trump, she feels deceived by the White House about his fitness for office."
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...he-view-biden-trump-presidential-debate-2024/

"Many Americans are furious, feeling that they have been deceived by the White House and the media."
US left-wing media lift silence on President Biden's health

Just a few samples.

ROFL! So, you're implying that Trump doesn't deceive with his constant barrage of lies?

 

[Shaul]

ROFL! So, you're implying that Trump doesn't deceive with his constant barrage of lies?

Tu quoque, anyone? Any peccadilloes of Trump are irrelevant to the validity about the deceptions of Harris.

 

[Kathryn]

Have they admitted "his infirmity?"

I haven't heard anyone admitting even that he dropped out of the race due to health concerns.

 

[Shaul]

One of the purposes of having electors is to deal with changes that could take place after the convention. For example, let's say Trump and Biden died after the convention, are we going to go without a president for the next four years?

Maybe stop watching Faux News as they're spout one BS story after another.

Maybe follow the law. Changing delegate votes require a legal basis unmet in this case. Maybe you should broaden YOUR news sources. Even RFK Jr. has slammed this switching of delegate votes by Democrat Party elites. And he's no Republican.

 

[Shaul]

WHich has nothing to do with what you have been claiming as "facts"

Neither does this.

Or this

Or this

The only one trying to deceive here seems to be you

Actually they do. And now you are demonstrating you are in cahoots with the Democrat Party elites in their deception, whether wittingly or not.

 

[fantome profane]

I haven't heard anyone admitting even that he dropped out of the race due to health concerns.

Maybe that is because he didn't drop out of the race due to health concerns. Maybe he dropped out of the race for the exact reasons he said. Is that possible?

 

[Kathryn]

Maybe that is because he didn't drop out of the race due to health concerns. Maybe he dropped out of the race for the exact reasons he said. Is that possible?

Possible but not probable.

Look, the man was FRAIL. He was easily confused. I've given the examples of my parents many times but I'll do so again. At 79, my dad died, but he died due to an autoimmune disease, and he was sharp as a tack till the very, very end. My mom, not so much. She died three years later, at age 80, after having dementia for many years. My dad's mom died at age 87 without one bit of dementia. We don't all age gracefully.

But maybe Biden believed what he was saying.

 

[metis]

Tu quoque, anyone? Any peccadilloes of Trump are irrelevant to the validity about the deceptions of Harris.

I think your turban is on way too tight.