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Marijuana ~ What is your opinion toward it?

outhouse

Atheistically
ya its not a problem

Drug Trafficking in the United States

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]MARIJUANA[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Marijuana is the most widely abused and readily available illicit drug in the United States, with an estimated 11.5 million current users. At least one-third of the U.S. population has used marijuana sometime in their lives. The drug is considered a "gateway" to the world of illicit drug abuse. Relaxed public perception of harm, popularization by the media and by groups advocating legalization, along with the trend of smoking marijuana-filled cigars known as "blunts," contribute to the nationwide resurgence in marijuana's popularity.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Internet also contributes to marijuana's popularity. Websites exist that provide information and links extolling the virtues of marijuana. These sites provide forums for user group discussions, post documents and messages for public discussions, and advocate the "legal" sale of marijuana. Several web sites advertising the sale of marijuana and providing instructions on home grows have also been identified.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Marijuana smuggled into the United States, whether grown in Mexico or transshipped from other Latin American source areas, accounts for most of the marijuana available in the United States. Marijuana produced in Mexico remains the most widely available. Moreover, high-potency marijuana enters the U.S. drug market from Canada. The availability of marijuana from Southeast Asia generally is limited to the West Coast. U.S. drug law enforcement reporting also suggests increased availability of domestically grown marijuana.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Domestic Marijuana[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to 2000 Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCE/SP) statistics, the five leading states for indoor growing activity were California, Florida, Oregon, Washington, and Wisconsin. DCE/SP statistics indicate that the major outdoor growing states in 2000 were California, Hawaii, Kentucky, and Tennessee; these states accounted for approximately three-quarters of the total of eradicated outdoor cultivated plants.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Mexican Marijuana[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Organized crime groups operating from Mexico have smuggled marijuana into the United States since the early 1970s. These groups maintain extensive networks of associates, often related through familial or regional ties to associates living in the United States, where they control polydrug smuggling and wholesale distribution from hub cities to retail markets throughout the United States.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Groups operating from Mexico employ a variety of transportation and concealment methods to smuggle marijuana into the United States. Most of the marijuana smuggled into the United States is concealed in vehicles - often in false compartments - or hidden in shipments of legitimate agricultural or industrial products. Marijuana also is smuggled across the border by rail, horse, raft, and backpack. Shipments of 20 kilograms or less are smuggled by pedestrians who enter the United States at border checkpoints and by backpackers who, alone or in groups ("mule trains"), cross the border at more remote locations. Jamaican organizations also appear to be involved in dispatching Mexican marijuana via parcel carriers.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Organized crime groups operating from Mexico conceal marijuana in an array of vehicles, including commercial vehicles, private automobiles, pickup trucks, vans, mobile homes, and horse trailers, driven through border ports of entry. Larger shipments ranging up to multithousand kilograms are usually smuggled in tractor-trailers, such as the 6.9 metric tons of marijuana seized on April 3, 2001, by USCS officials from a tractor-trailer at the Otay Mesa, California, port of entry. The marijuana packages had been wrapped in cellophane, coated with mustard, grease, and motor oil, and commingled in a load of television sets.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Besides overland smuggling, drug traffickers use ocean vessels to move Mexican marijuana up the coast of Mexico to U.S. ports, drop-off sites along the U.S. coast, or to rendezvous points with other boats bound for the United States. Law enforcement authorities in southern California indicate that marijuana is transferred from mother ships in international waters to Mexican fishing vessels. The smaller vessels then deliver the marijuana to overland smugglers on the Mexican Baja California Peninsula. From there, the marijuana is generally moved to border transit points and then carried to the Los Angeles metropolitan area for distribution to eastern markets.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Canadian Marijuana[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Canada is becoming a source country for indoor-grown, high-potency (15 to 25 percent THC) marijuana destined for the United States. Canadian law enforcement intelligence indicates that marijuana traffickers there are increasingly cultivating cannabis indoors. Such indoor-grow operations have become an enormous and lucrative illicit industry, producing a potent form of marijuana that has come to be known as "BC Bud." Canadian officials estimate that cannabis cultivation in British Columbia is a billion-dollar industry, and that traffickers smuggle a significant portion of the Canadian harvest into the United States.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Prices and Potency (THC Content)[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Prices for commercial-grade marijuana have remained relatively stable over the past decade, ranging from approximately $400 to $1,000 per pound in U.S. Southwest border areas to between $700 to $2000 per pound in the Midwest and northeastern United States. The national price range for sinsemilla, a higher quality marijuana usually grown domestically, is between $900 and $6,000 per pound. BC Bud sells for between $1,500 and $2,000 per pound in Vancouver; but when smuggled into the United States, it sells for between $5,000 and $8,000 per pound in major metropolitan areas.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]During the past two decades, marijuana potency has increased. According to the University of Mississippi's 2000 Marijuana Potency Monitoring Project (MPMP), commercial-grade marijuana THC levels rose from under 2 percent in the late 1970s and early 1980s to 6.07 percent in 2000. The MPMP reports that sinsemilla potency also increased, rising from 6 percent in the late 1970s and 1980s to 13.20 percent in 2000.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Seizures[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to the FDSS, U.S. federal authorities seized 1,211 metric tons of marijuana in 2001 compared to 1,236 metric tons in 2000.[/SIZE][/FONT]​
 

DreadFish

Cosmic Vagabond
A thought occurred, and I dont mean it offensively, but you are definitely defending you're views about marijuana against reasonable and logical counter arguments that make more sense just like a religious person because of your experience :D


Interesting parallel
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to the FDSS, U.S. federal authorities seized 1,211 metric tons of marijuana in 2001 compared to 1,236 metric tons in 2000.[/SIZE][/FONT]​
Those ********. Makes kids resort to more dangerous things cause of a stigma.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
ya its not a problem

Drug Trafficking in the United States

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]MARIJUANA[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Marijuana is the most widely abused and readily available illicit drug in the United States, with an estimated 11.5 million current users. At least one-third of the U.S. population has used marijuana sometime in their lives. The drug is considered a "gateway" to the world of illicit drug abuse. Relaxed public perception of harm, popularization by the media and by groups advocating legalization, along with the trend of smoking marijuana-filled cigars known as "blunts," contribute to the nationwide resurgence in marijuana's popularity.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Internet also contributes to marijuana's popularity. Websites exist that provide information and links extolling the virtues of marijuana. These sites provide forums for user group discussions, post documents and messages for public discussions, and advocate the "legal" sale of marijuana. Several web sites advertising the sale of marijuana and providing instructions on home grows have also been identified.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Marijuana smuggled into the United States, whether grown in Mexico or transshipped from other Latin American source areas, accounts for most of the marijuana available in the United States. Marijuana produced in Mexico remains the most widely available. Moreover, high-potency marijuana enters the U.S. drug market from Canada. The availability of marijuana from Southeast Asia generally is limited to the West Coast. U.S. drug law enforcement reporting also suggests increased availability of domestically grown marijuana.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Domestic Marijuana[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to 2000 Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCE/SP) statistics, the five leading states for indoor growing activity were California, Florida, Oregon, Washington, and Wisconsin. DCE/SP statistics indicate that the major outdoor growing states in 2000 were California, Hawaii, Kentucky, and Tennessee; these states accounted for approximately three-quarters of the total of eradicated outdoor cultivated plants.[/SIZE][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Mexican Marijuana[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Organized crime groups operating from Mexico have smuggled marijuana into the United States since the early 1970s. These groups maintain extensive networks of associates, often related through familial or regional ties to associates living in the United States, where they control polydrug smuggling and wholesale distribution from hub cities to retail markets throughout the United States.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Groups operating from Mexico employ a variety of transportation and concealment methods to smuggle marijuana into the United States. Most of the marijuana smuggled into the United States is concealed in vehicles - often in false compartments - or hidden in shipments of legitimate agricultural or industrial products. Marijuana also is smuggled across the border by rail, horse, raft, and backpack. Shipments of 20 kilograms or less are smuggled by pedestrians who enter the United States at border checkpoints and by backpackers who, alone or in groups ("mule trains"), cross the border at more remote locations. Jamaican organizations also appear to be involved in dispatching Mexican marijuana via parcel carriers.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Organized crime groups operating from Mexico conceal marijuana in an array of vehicles, including commercial vehicles, private automobiles, pickup trucks, vans, mobile homes, and horse trailers, driven through border ports of entry. Larger shipments ranging up to multithousand kilograms are usually smuggled in tractor-trailers, such as the 6.9 metric tons of marijuana seized on April 3, 2001, by USCS officials from a tractor-trailer at the Otay Mesa, California, port of entry. The marijuana packages had been wrapped in cellophane, coated with mustard, grease, and motor oil, and commingled in a load of television sets.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Besides overland smuggling, drug traffickers use ocean vessels to move Mexican marijuana up the coast of Mexico to U.S. ports, drop-off sites along the U.S. coast, or to rendezvous points with other boats bound for the United States. Law enforcement authorities in southern California indicate that marijuana is transferred from mother ships in international waters to Mexican fishing vessels. The smaller vessels then deliver the marijuana to overland smugglers on the Mexican Baja California Peninsula. From there, the marijuana is generally moved to border transit points and then carried to the Los Angeles metropolitan area for distribution to eastern markets.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Canadian Marijuana[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Canada is becoming a source country for indoor-grown, high-potency (15 to 25 percent THC) marijuana destined for the United States. Canadian law enforcement intelligence indicates that marijuana traffickers there are increasingly cultivating cannabis indoors. Such indoor-grow operations have become an enormous and lucrative illicit industry, producing a potent form of marijuana that has come to be known as "BC Bud." Canadian officials estimate that cannabis cultivation in British Columbia is a billion-dollar industry, and that traffickers smuggle a significant portion of the Canadian harvest into the United States.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Prices and Potency (THC Content)[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Prices for commercial-grade marijuana have remained relatively stable over the past decade, ranging from approximately $400 to $1,000 per pound in U.S. Southwest border areas to between $700 to $2000 per pound in the Midwest and northeastern United States. The national price range for sinsemilla, a higher quality marijuana usually grown domestically, is between $900 and $6,000 per pound. BC Bud sells for between $1,500 and $2,000 per pound in Vancouver; but when smuggled into the United States, it sells for between $5,000 and $8,000 per pound in major metropolitan areas.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]During the past two decades, marijuana potency has increased. According to the University of Mississippi's 2000 Marijuana Potency Monitoring Project (MPMP), commercial-grade marijuana THC levels rose from under 2 percent in the late 1970s and early 1980s to 6.07 percent in 2000. The MPMP reports that sinsemilla potency also increased, rising from 6 percent in the late 1970s and 1980s to 13.20 percent in 2000.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Seizures[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to the FDSS, U.S. federal authorities seized 1,211 metric tons of marijuana in 2001 compared to 1,236 metric tons in 2000.[/SIZE][/FONT]​

Wow. You pointed out there is a lot of pot in the country.

And.........

You have to follow it up. What should our social policies be? Should the federal government still use RICO to seize peoples homes for possession of marijuana? Should the government still use no-knock or knock and announce warrants to conduct raids? Should we be investing money into more prisons or should we be investing money in treatment? Should we continue with the lies we tell kids about drugs, like the whole gateway nonsense, or be more honest about it? Should the DEA keep marijuana as a Schedule I drug or move it to a lower Schedule since we know marijuana has medicinal value?

What should our social policies be?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The war needs to get tougher?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You personally know every marijuana user, grower and distributor in the State of California and also every member of law enforcement in that State.

Evidence and studies you do not need.

Much like many a religious believer.

I know SWAT members and sherriffs a like. I also had my day with weed at a level most users never see.


so are you a current user? how long? sell to support your habit?


InfoFacts - High School and Youth Trends

<LI type=square>Daily Marijuana use increased among 8th, 10th, and 12th graders from 2009 to 2010. Among 12th graders it was at its highest point since the early 1980s at 6.1%. This year, perceived risk of regular marijuana use also declined among 10th and 12th graders suggesting future trends in use may continue upward.

<LI type=square sizset="53" sizcache="4">In addition, most measures of marijuana use increased among 8th graders between 2009 and 2010 (past year, past month, and daily), paralleling softening attitudes for the last 2 years about the risk of using marijuana.


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<LI type=square>Marijuana use is now ahead of cigarette smoking on some measures (due to decreases in smoking and recent increases in marijuana use). In 2010, 21.4 percent of high school seniors used marijuana in the past 30 days, while 19.2 percent smoked cigarettes.

<LI type=square sizset="55" sizcache="4">Steady declines in cigarette smoking appear to have stalled in all three grades after several years of improvement on most measures.


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<LI type=square>After marijuana, prescription and over-the-counter medications account for most of the top drugs abused by 12th graders in the past year. Among 12th graders, past year nonmedical use of Vicodin decreased from 9.7% to 8%. However, past year nonmedical use of OxyContin remains unchanged across the three grades and has increased in 10th graders over the past 5 years. Moreover, past-year nonmedical use of Adderall and over-the-counter cough and cold medicines among 12th graders remains high at 6.5% and 6.6%, respectively.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Marijuana use is now ahead of cigarette smoking on some measures (due to decreases in smoking and recent increases in marijuana use). In 2010, 21.4 percent of high school seniors used marijuana in the past 30 days, while 19.2 percent smoked cigarettes.
Glad to hear people are using common sense. Cigs are nasty.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
What should our social policies be?

good question bud

I'll tell you why im passionate about this. Its not my history or past that haunts me, it doesnt.

its my intention to make sure my daughter doesnt end up making the mistakes I made.

If I help one person avoid any of my mistakes it would be worth it.


I never bring any of this up in public and could care less. But I will not in a forum put all the neditive BS associated with drug use and sweep it under the drug.

drugs are for losers, but not all drug users are losers.


there is no positive side to this
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
What should our social policies be?
It should be treated like a prescription drug. People abuse those all the time doesn't mean they shouldn't be prescription meds anymore. Shoot people will buy over the counter stuff just to do worse things with it.
 
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gnomon

Well-Known Member
good question bud

I'll tell you why im passionate about this. Its not my history or past that haunts me, it doesnt.

its my intention to make sure my daughter doesnt end up making the mistakes I made.

If I help one person avoid any of my mistakes it would be worth it.


I never bring any of this up in public and could care less. But I will not in a forum put all the neditive BS associated with drug use and sweep it under the drug.

drugs are for losers, but not all drug users are losers.


there is no positive side to this

I'm glad you think it's a good question.

So what should our policies be?
 

darkstar

Member
at this point in time you cannot seperate the drug and prohibition as its not 100% legal yet.


Like I said, its pretty legal here but has the same issues surrounding it.

All it would take is one current law enforcement officer to chime in and shine a real light on current issues and you would understand.

I know a prison guard in Louisiana and a cop in Texas. Both think it should be legalized.

My cop friend actually said that the war on marijuana is dumb. If it were legal then we wouldn't have a war going on in border towns. Cartels come through and bring not only drugs, but violence. With it legal, there is less appearance from Cartels. No more back alley deals.
 

ManTimeForgot

Temporally Challenged
There are things that grow naturally and yet are dangerous. Heck, snake venom is even more spontaneous than naturally-occurring crops.

Besides, I don't think we are talking about natural growth here anyway.





It is a matter of public health. Much as some medicines must be controlled, so must psychoactive drugs, naturally occurring or otherwise.


People are allowed with the proper licensing to have snake farms. Snake Venom Damage to People > Marijuana Damage to People.

As a matter of public health things which are dangerous should be controlled, but that is all I am advocating: regulation. Prohibition is nonsense. It hasn't ever worked; and it continues to not work every day with Prostitution, Gambling, and just about every other "victimless crime" I am aware of existing. The whole notion of a "victimless crime" is nonsense as far as I am concerned, and people's actions bespeak the truth of this. They don't recognize it as being a crime because they engage in it.


Now there is an argument to be made for not wanting to live in a society where such behavior is extremely common, but that is a matter to be dealt with persuasion not policing.

MTF
 
I smoke cigarettes and weed and I drimk alcohol.Sex is tough sometimes with the kids and their interuption radar in the middle of the night, but we do ok. I try to enjoy life the best I can. I can tell you that I've seen more of my friends screwed up by alcohol than weed any day. Same old BS arguements about mary j I've been hearing for many years.:D
 

javajo

Well-Known Member
I may be wrong, but I believe it should be legal and taxed and sold the same way as alcohol with laws applying to driving and operating machinery, etc. It seems to be part of living in a free country. There's a lot I could say about it, good and bad, but that's all I'll say as I thought there was a rule about talking about drug use here?

Oh, yeah:

6. Illegal Activities
Discussions about your engagement in or encouragement for others to participate in any illegal activity is prohibited. This includes the use of illegal Drugs, infringement of intellectual property rights; including, music, software, or literature, photographs etc. It also covers Terrorism and all violent crime. And criminal activities. These Topics may be discussed and debated in a way that does not promote an illegal activity.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
except for the fact its keeping drugs out of childrens hands
Legalizing it and requiring an ID to be shown to a legal vendor helps keep it out of the hands of kids. Not 100%, as there are still kids that get cigarettes and alcohol, but when I was in high school buying a half ounce of pot was much easier than buying a back of cigarettes.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
This point:
except for the fact its keeping drugs out of childrens hands

Contradicts this point:
Like I said, its pretty legal here but has the same issues surrounding it.

If pot is freely available without control, then the "war on drugs" isn't keeping it out of children's hands.

Not only that, don't you think that the police would be able to do more to combat harder drugs if they had less of their resources tied up going after marijuana?

Also, what you said about every stoner in California growing pot doesn't jive with the statistics you gave about smuggling. Why would anyone bother to smuggle something in from Mexico if they can just grow it in their back yard in California?

If I put myself in the mind of a pot dealer/distributor - someone who's presumably out to make money - it just doesn't make sense. Going through smugglers would create a ton of unnecessary risk and expense if the same stuff is readily and cheaply available from domestic sources.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
If pot is freely available without control, then the "war on drugs" isn't keeping it out of children's hands.

right now the war on drugs has to deal with making the mexican mafia poorer.

it also come through Ca and is sold in states that dont have the grows like we have here and in 6 months if all peoples stash is sold or smoked up it will be used here.


taking product off the streets helps keep it out of childrens hands.



Not only that, don't you think that the police would be able to do more to combat harder drugs if they had less of their resources tied up going after marijuana?

here the police/sherriff dont mess with the little guy, get into distribution and you might get yourself noticed.

distribution to the little guy is where all the violence and crime's really happen.


Why would anyone bother to smuggle something in from Mexico if they can just grow it in their back yard in California?


iniccent people are killed every year in our forest by the mexican cartels.


Going through smugglers would create a ton of unnecessary risk and expense if the same stuff is readily and cheaply available from domestic sources.

not every state has the benifits of Ca for growing my friend.

the market is so saturated here most people wont smoke that nasty garbage. Get in the city and that may change but not in the foothills
 
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