How about...
"Everyone be on alert. These groups are targeting women. If you see an attack occurring immediately call 911."
As a start.
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Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!
- Thread starter icehorse
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How about...
"Everyone be on alert. These groups are targeting women. If you see an attack occurring immediately call 911."
As a start.
Echo chamber? What I see here is a torrent of comments that advocate sexist "preventive measures." Sure, there are posts opposed to them, but by no means is it an echo chamber when there are so many people who disagree with each other.
Aye, but I was joking about your desire to stack the deck, as it were.
I'd say there's plenty of volume from all sides already.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
I haven't seen a single comment that "advocates sexist 'preventative measures'."
I have seen members claim that their unique perspective/interpretation as fact.
I have seen members disagree on what victim blaming is and pretend precautionary warnings to nonvictims is somehow it's logical opposite.
"Rational" meaning on your side, & definitely not another?It never hurts to have one more rational voice in the mix.
Back in the 70's New York City was the street crime capital of the western world. Some male school buddies of mine and I went there to party on spring break. We were given some really firm advice.
A) Don't even bring expensive jackets or jewelry. They make you a target for muggers, they aren't even safe in that fleabag hotel you're staying in.
B) Never go outside alone at night. Best to stay in groups of at least three.
C) Always keep a $10 in a handy pocket for muggers. Better not to have to get out your wallet, having nothing will get you hurt.
I don't see this advice as being "victim blaming". Even though the people who didn't take it in the past were victims of muggers.
Tom
A) Don't even bring expensive jackets or jewelry. They make you a target for muggers, they aren't even safe in that fleabag hotel you're staying in.
B) Never go outside alone at night. Best to stay in groups of at least three.
C) Always keep a $10 in a handy pocket for muggers. Better not to have to get out your wallet, having nothing will get you hurt.
I don't see this advice as being "victim blaming". Even though the people who didn't take it in the past were victims of muggers.
Tom
"As a start" it is good. Expanding on it a bit is better.
Tom
If it really is factual that the perps are these non-Germans, would it be appropriate
to describe them bluntly, thereby risking accusations of racism or Islamophobia?
- Skin shade & hair styles
- Speaking particular languages
"Pretend"... okay. If you say so.
If you don't see any sexism here, then we are clearly not seeing the same thing. We might as well be reading different threads.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No advice is needed. However, reassurance is, a crack down on such behaviors is, and bringing criminals to justice is needed.
To make that comparable, you'd have to hear this advice on a regular basis, see how it isn't working that well to begin with as it really isn't addressing the problems of the issue, see your friends get robbed and hear of it happening, and be told the same advice again and again and again.
Well, in this particular case, I think there is only one rational side. It would still be rational even if I disagreed with it, so whether or not it is my side isn't really relevant.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As far as I can tell, it's more an American Mainstream Liberal thing to get worked up about things like interpreting a description of the perps as something racist or Islamophobic.
What a noble burden it must be, to have THE TRUTH,
& endure mere gainsaying from irrational dullards.
It certainly appears to be a problem in Germany too.
The mayor's silence on this was deafening.
(Sorry for that over-used cliche....but it works here.)
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
That's what your opponents think, too.
But your opponents recognize that both sides feel this sentiment is accurate from their perspective.
In this case, there is only one rational position: warnings for nonvictims were provided and no victim blaming occurred.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Can it be reasonably expected for monsters to heed advice on their conduct ?
I can't tell if this is a joke, but regardless of whether or not it is a joke, I find it passive-aggressive.
Not that it affects my stance, though.
At this point I'm not sure there would be much purpose to repeating what I and others have been saying throughout this thread. I have already stated what I believe in detail.
It's a joke....with a message about only a single view (yours) being rational.
That bespoke hubris (which invites mocking).
Passive-aggressive?
No.....tis neither.
Directness eliminates passivity.
Sarcasm makes it friendly instead of aggressive.
I like you, you big silly!
It pays to see that people on the opposite side of an issue can have merit in their perspective.
To pronounce one's own as the singular "rational" view, is to dismiss all others as "irrational".
That never reflects well upon one.
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