Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!

[Underhill]

"You have the right to be wrong"... nice way to casually dismiss the experience and knowledge of a survivor and volunteer who has actually worked with other survivors instead of sitting online to dismiss others' experiences.

But I'm really not surprised. Why? Men are still posting sexist, ignorant, patronizing garbage in this thread. They have done so for many pages. I'm not surprised that it's still going on.

It's called humor.

I too have been the subject of abuse as a child. I am not attempting to be patronizing or sexist. I am trying to acknowledge the realities of these cases in Germany. They were not traditional abuse cases. These were strangers, organized, targeting women who were traveling alone. So the mayor saying to travel in groups, for example, is good advice. Not for all situations, but in this particular case, he is right.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's called humor.

I too have been the subject of abuse as a child. I am not attempting to be patronizing or sexist. I am trying to acknowledge the realities of these cases in Germany. They were not traditional abuse cases. These were strangers, organized, targeting women who were traveling alone. So the mayor saying to travel in groups, for example, is good advice. Not for all situations, but in this particular case, he is right.

The mayor is also a survivor of a potentially deadly attack by a stranger.....

 

[Underhill]

Isn't the mayor a female?

I have no idea. I've read some quotes in articles.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have no idea. I've read some quotes in articles.

I checked, & edited my post accordingly.

This poses a dilemma for those who'd say she shouldn't give advice.
Consider....
She's a female.
She was violently assaulted (nearly died) by a stranger.
Unless one is a female who endured a violent assault, one shouldn't comment upon her advice to her fellows?
DS (being male) would be prohibited from opining about her actions then.
No.....I think he has as much a right as anyone else.

 

[Underhill]

I checked, & edited my post accordingly.

This poses a dilemma for those who'd say she shouldn't give advice.
Consider....
She's a female.
She was violently assaulted (nearly died) by a stranger.
Unless one is a female who endured a violent assault, one shouldn't comment upon her advice to her fellows?
DS (being male) would be prohibited from opining about her actions then.
No.....I think he has as much a right as anyone else.

Damn. I got scooped.

Good call!

 

[Thanda]

The mayor is also a survivor of a deadly attack by a stranger.....

Shame for the person who didn't survive the attack. Was it her friend?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Me: "hey folks, having been there and done that many times over, as well as going through the process of recovery and found what works and what doesn't work through years of trial and error and careful research, I find the mayors advice to be condescending, impractical, and a perpetuation of cultural rape myths that do more harm than helps."

Other: "Oh yeah, well you're wrong. No victim blaming that I personally see. End of story. Sorry you were raped btw."

Me: "Oh, my goodness. Thanks for the correction. I'm so glad I checked with YOU first before having an opinion and doing my homework."

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/sarcasm

 

[Revoltingest]

Shame for the person who didn't survive the attack. Was it her friend?

Here is an article on the mayor's being stabbed....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/europe/germany-candidate-stabbing-migration/
The perp also injured 4 other people.

 

[Flankerl]

Should've kept an arms length distance.

 

[Revoltingest]

Should've kept an arms length distance.

Or for mayors with controversial agendas, avoid crowds unless one has a bodyguard.

Caution!
My advice for mayors does not mean I blame them for being stabbed.
Anyone who calls me a "stab apologist" is a stabbing enabler....& a poopy head.

 

[Underhill]

Me: "hey folks, having been there and done that many times over, as well as going through the process of recovery and found what works and what doesn't work through years of trial and error and careful research, I find the mayors advice to be condescending, impractical, and a perpetuation of cultural rape myths that do more harm than helps."

Other: "Oh yeah, well you're wrong. No victim blaming that I personally see. End of story. Sorry you were raped btw."

Me: "Oh, my goodness. Thanks for the correction. I'm so glad I checked with YOU first before having an opinion and doing my homework."

/sarcasm

So far you have ignored what was said, who said it and what actually happened and formed an opinion based upon unrelated personal experience.

I apologize for expecting reasonable dialog. I see now that it was too much to ask.

 

[Underhill]

Should've kept an arms length distance.

I actually had a similar thought when I read the story. Her "arms length" advice makes perfect sense from the perspective of her personal experience.

 

[Flankerl]

I actually had a similar thought when I read the story. Her "arms length" advice makes perfect sense from the perspective of her personal experience.

It doesn't because it shows that you can't keep the distance if another person decides not to keep the distance.

That's the big irony behind her statement.

 

[Underhill]

It doesn't because it shows that you can't keep the distance if another person decides not to keep the distance.

That's the big irony behind her statement.

It might. If you keep a certain amount of space and someone intrudes on it, you have a better chance of at least noticing them.

It's not like any of these pieces of advice will alleviate risk completely. They are just small actions that might lower the risk slightly.

 

[FearGod]

It doesn't because it shows that you can't keep the distance if another person decides not to keep the distance.

That's the big irony behind her statement.

OMG, when she notice that the person is insisiting to come closer then she can shout
help me guys, and if i was there then i'll defend her and any man will do the same.

 

[Revoltingest]

OMG, when she notice that the person is insisiting to come closer then she can shount
help me guys, and if i was there then i'll defend her and any man will do the same.

This reminds me of something which once happened at an airport.
I was rushing to get thru a giant revolving door thingie, & jumped in thru the opening.
A guy already in there immediately reared back, & was ready to punch me.
I apologized for my startling him, & said I understood his perfectly appropriate reaction.
We were good.
It pays to be aware of one's surroundings.
But many people don't adopt this attitude.....they do so at their own peril.
No one should blame victims, but people should take measures to avoid victimhood.

 

[FearGod]

This reminds me of something which once happened at an airport.
I was rushing to get thru a giant revolving door thingie, & jumped in thru the opening.
A guy already in there immediately reared back, & was ready to punch me.
I apologized for my startling him, & said I understood his perfectly appropriate reaction.
We were good.
It pays to be aware of one's surroundings.
But many people don't adopt this attitude.....they do so at their own peril.
No one should blame victims, but people should take measures to avoid victimhood.

That's the point of the mayor, "be cautious"

 

[Thanda]

Here is an article on the mayor's being stabbed....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/europe/germany-candidate-stabbing-migration/
The perp also injured 4 other people.

I hear you. It was actually a bit tongue in cheek as you mentioned she survived a deadly attack. People usually die in deadly attacks.

 

[Thanda]

Me: "hey folks, having been there and done that many times over, as well as going through the process of recovery and found what works and what doesn't work through years of trial and error and careful research, I find the mayors advice to be condescending, impractical, and a perpetuation of cultural rape myths that do more harm than helps."

Other: "Oh yeah, well you're wrong. No victim blaming that I personally see. End of story. Sorry you were raped btw."

Me: "Oh, my goodness. Thanks for the correction. I'm so glad I checked with YOU first before having an opinion and doing my homework."

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/sarcasm

Our apologies for not just agreeing with you on everything you say before you have provided any of this research you say you've got. It was dumb of us.

 

[Revoltingest]

I here you. It was actually a bit tongue in cheek as you mentioned she survived a deadly attack. People usually die in deadly attacks.

Hah!
I suspected mirth.
But to beat a dead horse, I checked google's definition for "deadly"....
"causing or able to cause death"