Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well, I think we can all agree that the line should be drawn at public defecation.
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Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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Well, I think we can all agree that the line should be drawn at public defecation.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
i think you're a muslim and you know best what they'll think except if not all muslims think the same.
Do you think all muslims think the same.:sarcastic
Many in my homeland wearing tight jeans and no hijab and i didn't ever think that they're indecent girls,you're not able to go get then my point,sorry
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I wonder how people would judge the Yanamamo and other indigenous people who traditionally go without clothing or with only a loin cloth.
To me obsession with other peoples bodies (and what they are or are not wearing) is true immodesty. Not only are you fixated on their body and showing a lack of self control but you are judging them by that one factor.
The woman in the bikini isn't immodest it's the man who refuses to take his eyes off her body while telling her that she is a bad person. The man lacks the modesty to look away if he can't control himself.
wa:do
To me obsession with other peoples bodies (and what they are or are not wearing) is true immodesty. Not only are you fixated on their body and showing a lack of self control but you are judging them by that one factor.
The woman in the bikini isn't immodest it's the man who refuses to take his eyes off her body while telling her that she is a bad person. The man lacks the modesty to look away if he can't control himself.
wa:do
Unforutunately, I do get your point. You think that women look best all covered up. The question many are asking is, why do you think that is?
It shows that many men cannot transcend the status quo. They cannot let go of their immature objectification of women and embrace a more holistic appreciation of women in their natural splendor and glory. Do you need a book to illustrate the present glory of human expression? Doesn't the current expression of human liberty transcend your preconceived notions? Let us accend.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
No i don't care what women wear,that is up to her,but i only tried to compare nakeness with hijab as a scale of 0 value for nakeness which all of us agree that nakeness(bold) is shameful and 100 value as hijab and there is in between.just a thought.
You're asking me woman look best all covered up,
no,my eyes see woman best near 0,but i don't know what is best for her herself.
in other words what you prefer yourself to be among those samples
Near to 0 (i am afraid i aint allowed to post 0 in RF)
in between (around 50)
Hijab (near 100)
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Of course you care that's why you are calling women who don't dress the way you want them to "shameful". :tsk:
Why not go all the way?
100+? the ultimate passing grade?
How is making a woman wear more cloth really less "shameful"?
wa:do
ps... the woman in the hijab is using sex to sell it. Just look at that look on her face and the suggestive hand on the hip. Gotta love advertizing.
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Of course you care that's why you are calling women who don't dress the way you want them to "shameful". :tsk:
Why not go all the way?
100+? the ultimate passing grade?
How is making a woman wear more cloth really less "shameful"?
wa:do
ps... the woman in the hijab is using sex to sell it. Just look at that look on her face and the suggestive hand on the hip. Gotta love advertizing.
Muslim girl should show her face,that kind of wearing as shown in your sample is silly,
that 2 women aren't wearing a dress but a tent.
Hiding your whole body isn't a wearing at all,that is disgusting,i don't agree that women should wear a tent.
ps... the woman in the hijab is using sex to sell it. Just look at that look on her face and the suggestive hand on the hip. Gotta love advertizing.
I think she looks angry like she's about to smack someone
I think she looks angry like she's about to smack someone
LOL I was thinking the same thing.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And yet some people do believe women should be completely covered. They consider anything but a full burka to be immodest. Doesn't this simply illustrate our point that there is no objective scale of what constitues immodesty, or clothing choices which should be considered "shameful"?Muslim girl should show her face,that kind of wearing as shown in your sample is silly,
that 2 women aren't wearing a dress but a tent.
Hiding your whole body isn't a wearing at all,that is disgusting,i don't agree that women should wear a tent.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
You're saying that there is no objective scale of what constitutes immodesty , or clothing choices which should be considered "shameful"?
Does nakedness included according to your point of view as not to be considered shameful which i scaled as 0
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
LoL... some people are into that sort of thing. :cover:I think she looks angry like she's about to smack someone
wa:do
Alceste
Vagabond
I think nearly naked men in suggestive poses is a pretty big deal, but I'm going to need to see some more of them in this thread to really be able to make up my mind.
Sometimes women take off their tops and put their hands on their boobs. I'm doing it right now. Deal with it.
I like wearing a bikini.
I'm decent no matter what I'm wearing. I'm exactly as decent lying on the beach as I am snowboarding, despite the fact that I wear a bikini on the beach and a snowsuit on the slopes. I'm the same person, just in two different outfits. Your opinion that what a woman happens to be wearing at any given time is any measure of her virtue is, well, to be honest, insane. If I were to say to you that men who are wearing T-shirts are scum, and men who are wearing, say, big red clown shoes are decent, wouldn't you immediately recognize that I am insane?
Of course you care that's why you are calling women who don't dress the way you want them to "shameful". :tsk:
Why not go all the way?
100+? the ultimate passing grade?
How is making a woman wear more cloth really less "shameful"?
wa:do
I was wondering the exact same thing. If the amount of fabric covering her body dictates a woman's virtue, the burka is the equivalent of perfect female virtue, not the hijab. FearGod likes to see a girl's face - some guys like to see a girl's legs or cleavage. Luckily for Western women, we generally don't give a crap what strange men want to see or not see.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Others would disagree... they would change your "objective" scale.Muslim girl should show her face,that kind of wearing as shown in your sample is silly,
that 2 women aren't wearing a dress but a tent.
Hiding your whole body isn't a wearing at all,that is disgusting,i don't agree that women should wear a tent.
The simple fact is that your scale isn't objective at all... it's utterly subjective based on your opinions.
And for the record I don't see anything "shameful" about the human body. Nudity doesn't bother me nor does it titillate me. There are dozens of cultures that agree with me.
wa:do
Alceste
Vagabond
True enough - having seen my share of nudie beaches, I can honestly say there are few things less titillating to me than naked people.
There was only one person I saw on a nudie beach of seriously questionable virtue or worryingly perverse sexual inclinations, and that was a fully dressed, hostile looking middle eastern fellow who used to sit on a pile of rocks overlooking the beach and openly stare at the women, angrily.
I just watched a western movie and the women had long dresses with long sleeves on.
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Good luck Awoon. Apparently any actual evidence indicating anything other than what he's decided women wear in Western cultures will simply be ignored.
Complete nakedness would only indicate complete nakedness on an objective scale. Only on a subjective scale can you add values such as "complete nakedness = most shameful".
Different cultures certainly have different subjective scales over what constitues modesty vs immodesty. But even then, they aren't exactly hard-and-fast for every single person or every single community within that culture.