Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - Is he really Al Mahdi and the Messiah?

[Monotheist 101]

I did not accuse of starting the 73rd sect. But when you state you are not of any sect your are in itself another sect. Once you cut a cake it gets split. So once you say I am not part of this you have created a division. Hence you are part of your own sect.

The 73rd sect is Islam Ahmadiyyat, in my opinion. The one that resembles the 73rd sect created when Jesus (as) came to the Jews. This 73rd sect of his later got labelled as Christianity but at its source was the True Jewish sect that pretty much eradicated the Jewish sects in the success that it acquired.

In this sense, we also believe that Ahmadiyyat will take over the World as did Christanity. It will be through Ahmadiyyat that sects in Islam would end and Islam would be supreme over the world.

Why look at it like a cake, that is going to be cut than eaten so nothing is left. See it like branches on the same tree, each with a varying degree of Iman in the One and True creator, some that do not recieve the sunlight will wither, rot and die and the righteous ones will always have the light to shine and guide them.

got labelled as Christianity but at its source was the True Jewish sect that pretty much eradicated the Jewish sects in the success that it acquired

I would like you to review what happend, I think you should do individual research into the doctrines and history of the people of the Book, you are again feeding me someon elses thoughts, Christianaty never posed a threat to Judaism at start, where do you think they got their distorted concepts from?

 

[Monotheist 101]

Yes the Promised Messiah (as) claimed Prophethood.

What is stopping someone else from claiming what he claimed? Specially if that person holds political power and wealth? Imagine say someone from example from Tribal Area in Pakistan, where they marry their sisters with the Quran, Who is going to stop that imposter? Surely there will be many who believe in his message and claim of being the promised or chosen one You said he did miracles why did these miracles not catch the attention of the world, like as with the miracles of the other Prophets? Again as I said an interpretation of the Quran cannot be regarded as miracles, neither can another unfulfilled prophecy of the unity of muslims, when in reality we are not even close, You say Ahmadi will be majority of Muslims, I believe the Sight of Jesus will be enough to convince every Muslim and Christian in the world that indeed it is He, not just some minority in an illiterate part of the world...

Thing is I will not waste reading what does not agree with me logically.

Anyways there is no compulsion in religion, Hope Allah Blesses us All

 

[Rational_Mind]

What is stopping someone else from claiming what he claimed? Specially if that person holds political power and wealth? Imagine say someone from example from Tribal Area in Pakistan, where they marry their sisters with the Quran, Who is going to stop that imposter? Surely there will be many who believe in his message and claim of being the promised or chosen one You said he did miracles why did these miracles not catch the attention of the world, like as with the miracles of the other Prophets? Again as I said an interpretation of the Quran cannot be regarded as miracles, neither can another unfulfilled prophecy of the unity of muslims, when in reality we are not even close, You say Ahmadi will be majority of Muslims, I believe the Sight of Jesus will be enough to convince every Muslim and Christian in the world that indeed it is He, not just some minority in an illiterate part of the world...

Thing is I will not waste reading what does not agree with me logically.

Anyways there is no compulsion in religion, Hope Allah Blesses us All

I think you should not make assumptions and wait until you get an opportunity to listen to the claims of the Promised Messiah (as) before making assumptions. A lot of your assumptions so far have been wrong and many of them are unfortunately contradictory to the concepts taught by the Holy Quran. If you give me an opportunity to explain it may prove useful to you. I am planning on posting the topic Finality of Prophethood from Quran under Ahmadiyya DIR, I hope you give it a chance when it comes up.

You should research and decide for yourself before jumping to any conclusions which in the case of authenticity of a Prophet can have very serious consequences.

Are you willing to give it a chance?

 

[Monotheist 101]

I think you should not make assumptions and wait until you get an opportunity to listen to the claims of the Promised Messiah (as) before making assumptions. A lot of your assumptions so far have been wrong and many of them are unfortunately contradictory to the concepts taught by the Holy Quran. If you give me an opportunity to explain it may prove useful to you. I am planning on posting the topic Finality of Prophethood from Quran under Ahmadiyya DIR, I hope you give it a chance when it comes up.

You should research and decide for yourself before jumping to any conclusions which in the case of authenticity of a Prophet can have very serious consequences.

Are you willing to give it a chance?

Bro I am willing to give him a chance, but what he is claiming to be divinely inspired is not a new concept.

Do some research in Alestair Crowley, Sorcerer/Black Magician, please let me know if you find any similarities in his version of being divinely inspired, He wrote a book which he tought was communicated to him by Isis, the egyptian son God, He calls it the Book of the Law The Book of the Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Revealed Sermon
In 1900, on the occasion of the festival of Eid ul-Adha, he is said to have delivered an hour-long sermon extempore in Arabic expounding the meaning and philosophy of sacrifice. This episode is celebrated as one of the important events of the history of Ahmadiyya. The sermon was simultaneously written down by two of his companions and came to be known as the Khutba Ilhamiyya, the revealed or inspired sermon. Ahmadiyya literature states that during this sermon, there was a change in his voice, he appeared as if in a trance, in the grip of an unseen hand, and as if a voice from the unknown had made him its mouthpiece. After the sermon ended, Ahmad fell into prostration, followed by the rest of the congregation, as a sign of gratitude towards God.[37]
Ahmad wrote later:

It was like a hidden fountain gushing forth and I did not know whether it was I who was speaking or an angel was speaking through my tongue. The sentences were just being uttered and every sentence was a sign of God for me.

— Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Haqeeqatul-Wahi[38]​

Brother this state of trance he talks about, even you can physically experience. I find that all these Mystic teachings are not a part of Islam but Innovations it finds it roots in pantheism, the belief the the uncreated became part of his creation and through these techniques human beings can become One with God, Religions before us were given this knowledge, because it was relevant for their time. If you broaden your outlook on what you claim divine, you will understand that it is nothing more than, a form of communicating with the Jinn, The Jinn will not claim to be evil, he will come and deceive you in the most subtlest of ways, One of the sayings of the prophet are that the devil can not take his form, even in our dreams, but he can take the form of anything or anyone else. This trance like state (which opens a portal for the Jinn to communicate with us) is infact very close to the sleep/dream state.

The difference between Alestair Crowleys claim and Mirza Ghulam Ahmeds claim of recieving divine revelation is that Alestair Crowley was looking for Bad things so they came in the form of evil spirits, Mirza Ghulam was looking for Good things so the divine revelations came in the form of Good. regardless it serves its purpose of misguiding us. The fact of the matter is that even pious muslims have been decieved into thinking they are becoming One with God or God will reveal stuff to them directly. The truth of the matter is that they are looking in the wrong place and by practicing this stuff and hoping for God to guide them through these practices are leaving the door open to be deceived. Please brother you like reading so many books that Mirza Ghulam has authored, why don't you open your mind and look into these concepts of Using the third eye to communicate with "heavenly bodies" the reason they claim to be heavenly is because they know that we will believe them, Us gullible humans how could we not?

 

[Rational_Mind]

Bro I am willing to give him a chance, but what he is claiming to be divinely inspired is not a new concept.

Do some research in Alestair Crowley, Sorcerer/Black Magician, please let me know if you find any similarities in his version of being divinely inspired, He wrote a book which he tought was communicated to him by Isis, the egyptian son God, He calls it the Book of the Law The Book of the Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Revealed Sermon
In 1900, on the occasion of the festival of Eid ul-Adha, he is said to have delivered an hour-long sermon extempore in Arabic expounding the meaning and philosophy of sacrifice. This episode is celebrated as one of the important events of the history of Ahmadiyya. The sermon was simultaneously written down by two of his companions and came to be known as the Khutba Ilhamiyya, the revealed or inspired sermon. Ahmadiyya literature states that during this sermon, there was a change in his voice, he appeared as if in a trance, in the grip of an unseen hand, and as if a voice from the unknown had made him its mouthpiece. After the sermon ended, Ahmad fell into prostration, followed by the rest of the congregation, as a sign of gratitude towards God.[37]
Ahmad wrote later:

It was like a hidden fountain gushing forth and I did not know whether it was I who was speaking or an angel was speaking through my tongue. The sentences were just being uttered and every sentence was a sign of God for me.

— Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Haqeeqatul-Wahi[38]​

Brother this state of trance he talks about, even you can physically experience. I find that all these Mystic teachings are not a part of Islam but Innovations it finds it roots in pantheism, the belief the the uncreated became part of his creation and through these techniques human beings can become One with God, Religions before us were given this knowledge, because it was relevant for their time. If you broaden your outlook on what you claim divine, you will understand that it is nothing more than, a form of communicating with the Jinn, The Jinn will not claim to be evil, he will come and deceive you in the most subtlest of ways, One of the sayings of the prophet are that the devil can not take his form, even in our dreams, but he can take the form of anything or anyone else. This trance like state (which opens a portal for the Jinn to communicate with us) is infact very close to the sleep/dream state.

The difference between Alestair Crowleys claim and Mirza Ghulam Ahmeds claim of recieving divine revelation is that Alestair Crowley was looking for Bad things so they came in the form of evil spirits, Mirza Ghulam was looking for Good things so the divine revelations came in the form of Good. regardless it serves its purpose of misguiding us. The fact of the matter is that even pious muslims have been decieved into thinking they are becoming One with God or God will reveal stuff to them directly. The truth of the matter is that they are looking in the wrong place and by practicing this stuff and hoping for God to guide them through these practices are leaving the door open to be deceived. Please brother you like reading so many books that Mirza Ghulam has authored, why don't you open your mind and look into these concepts of Using the third eye to communicate with "heavenly bodies" the reason they claim to be heavenly is because they know that we will believe them, Us gullible humans how could we not?

May God save your soul. I find that in the Quran it shows that disbelievers gave excuses to reject a true prophet as they couldnt find any true basis. You went too far on this one. You just malaligned every Prophet of God. You don't even know what a Prophet is or what revelation is. You just made the exact accusation Jews put on the Holy Prophet (saw). There is no point continuing. You a digging yourself a hole and I would not like to see you fall in. What you have begun to do is also Shirk, don't follow this leader or that, but you have taken yourself as God. You are so confident on being right that you don't want to discuss but prove him wrong. This was the way of disbelievers rejecting. Believers questioned and checked for themselves. You will turn to anything but the Quran to reject him. And Quran shows it is the people who don't want to believe who are the greatest seeker of miracles, almost all Sahaba converted not because of Miracles but truths, Miracles were a reaffirmation for them.

Peace be on you

 

[Monotheist 101]

Bro I did not malign any of the true prophets of God,You fail to grasp the significance of Mohammad being the final messenger. I am suggesting the possibility that anyone who claims to receive divine revelation after the Prophet Mohammad, possibly might be fooling themselves and their followers. Please look into what I am talking about, I have reached this conclusion by doing extensive research in the scriptures, world religions and occultism.

It is something that is hard for you to digest, this knowledge is out there, when you discover it you will be able to connect the dots. And as per your request I have looked into Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was born in a prestigious family with political and influencial power. who had illeterate people around him, I am not digging myself a hole, Infact I am trying to pull you out of the one you are hanging in. Please with an open mind look into the possibility of what I am suggesting, Or are your engraved emotions so strong that you cannot distance yourself from them and look into it yourself?

Its come to a point where we have to agree to disagree and go our seperate ways because maybe to you what I am suggesting is something unbelievable. This ancient knowledge that came down at Babylon has been hidden very well by those who posses it, they make claims of divinity and fool the ignorant with it.

Salam brother, best of luck with Ahmadi community becoming what you want it to be. I doubt it though, keep your hopes up in believing what the devils gives out falsely in the form of pious men.

May God Open your eyes so you can see the reality of the world around us today.

 

[Monotheist 101]

"Truly, Allah does not remove Sacred Knowedge by taking it out of servants, but rather by taking back the souls of Islamic scholars [in death], until, when He has not left a single scholar, the people take the ignorant as leaders, who are asked for and who give Islamic legal opinion without knowledge, misguided and misguiding" (Fath al-Bari, 1.194, hadith 100).

 

[Rational_Mind]

Bro I did not malign any of the true prophets of God,You fail to grasp the significance of Mohammad being the final messenger.

You refuse to discuss whether Quran calls him final law-bearing messenger. Or no more messengers. On top of that it is ironic that you believe Jesus (as) will return because that clearly means he is not the final messenger. Another Messenger will come AFTER him. It doesn't state anywhere in the verse that he is the last Messenger to be born, it says he is the Seal of the Prophets. You are breaking Seal of Prophets by bringing a Jewish Prophet who doesn't belong to the Ummah, and my enforcing him into the Ummah this is a new Ummati Prophethood, which is hence breaking the term "Last".

"Say he was Khataman Nabiyyeen, but do not say that there will be no prophet after him." (Durre Manshur, Vol. V of Jalaludin Suyuti)

The verse below states that another Messenger will come, it was interpreted as such by the Holy Prophet (saw):

He it is Who has raised among the unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and Wisdom though before that they were in manifest error; – (Surah Al-Jumu'ah 62:3)

And among others from among them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise. – (Surah Al-Jumu'ah 62:4)

At the death of the Ibrahīm (ra), son of the Holy Prophet (saw), he said, “If he had lived he would have been a prophet.” If the Holy Prophet (saw) was the last prophet in every sense of the word, and considered himself as such then he could never have uttered these words.

I am suggesting the possibility that anyone who claims to receive divine revelation after the Prophet Mohammad, possibly might be fooling themselves and their followers. Please look into what I am talking about, I have reached this conclusion by doing extensive research in the scriptures, world religions and occultism.

But that "extensive" research shows that you are not even familiar with Ahmadiyyat, until a few days back. You are unwilling to even check the possibility that Quran says Prophets can come. So it may be that you are fooling himself.

It is something that is hard for you to digest, this knowledge is out there, when you discover it you will be able to connect the dots. And as per your request I have looked into Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was born in a prestigious family with political and influencial power. who had illeterate people around him, I am not digging myself a hole, Infact I am trying to pull you out of the one you are hanging in. Please with an open mind look into the possibility of what I am suggesting, Or are your engraved emotions so strong that you cannot distance yourself from them and look into it yourself?

If he had political power why was it that he spent most of his life fighting court disputes as everyone opened false cases against him. How can you pull one out of a hole when you haven't even researched were it leads. You are so confident, so confident, this is the highest form of arrogance. If you want to save me then why don't you first learn more about Ahmadiyyat from Ahmadiyya Sources then educated me, are you scared that you may have to accept the Imam of the Age? Again, you are using hearsay not true sources. This is an excellent way to also reject the Holy Prophet (saw), by reading Anti-Islam literature rather than the source.

I cannot understand what I should do. Leave Ahmadiyyat, recite the Kalima again, and then begin to dispute of Fatwa's on nail polish? Or Fatwa's on which sect is Kafir? Or maybe I should start spreading corruption everywhere? No Thanks, I would rather be guided than lost like the rest of the Non-Ahmadi Muslims.

Its come to a point where we have to agree to disagree and go our separate ways because maybe to you what I am suggesting is something unbelievable. This ancient knowledge that came down at Babylon has been hidden very well by those who posses it, they make claims of divinity and fool the ignorant with it.

Sure.

Salam brother, best of luck with Ahmadi community becoming what you want it to be. I doubt it though, keep your hopes up in believing what the devils gives out falsely in the form of pious men.

Another allegation similar to the one used against the Holy Prophet (saw), that (God Forbid) he was possessed by devils. I guess this is a sign for me to realize that this is the truth of the Promised Messiah (as), that his rejectors have taken to the same tactics as Kuffar e Mecca.

May God Open your eyes so you can see the reality of the world around us today.

As for you as well, Peace be Upon You. May you Insallah come to realize the Muslim world is suffering for the rejection of a Prophet.

[11:118] And thy Lord would not destroy the cities unjustly while the people thereof were righteous.

"He who dies in a condition that he has not recognized the Imam of his age dies a death of ignorance."
(Musnad Ahmad Bin Hanbal, Vol. 4, p. 96)

 

[Monotheist 101]

I would rather be guided than lost like the rest of the Non-Ahmadi Muslims.

So you don't see the arrogance in that claim?

You are breaking Seal of Prophets by bringing a Jewish Prophet who doesn't belong to the Ummah, and my enforcing him into the Ummah this is a new Ummati Prophethood, which is hence breaking the term "Last".

Bro Jesus is not the Seal, even if he comes back, He is not a new prophet.

Logic is respected and lasts but irrational thought loses its innovativeness in the space of a few lines. Now our Noah's Ark will overpower the false one. The Europeans used to say that false Messiahs are about to come, so first these false prophets and Messiahs stepped out in London. After this the voice of the true Messiah will reach London. It is also recorded in the Ahadith that the Anti-Christ will claim Godhead and Prophethood for himself, so this Nation has also fulfilled this manifestly. Dowie is claiming to be a Prophet in America and Pigott is claiming to be God in London and calls himself God.

— Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, 'Malfoozat, Vol.4, 11 November 1902​

Bro I am reading his prophecies and writings, the more I read the stronger my disbelief grows, to me he seems like a man too concerned on hoping that all the important prophecies are fulfilled during his lifetime, What I dont understand is, why not just claim to be a learned scholar? Why dispute everything and Make himself so important, the Messiah and the Mahdi? Both not even one of them, I am sorry but nothing I read helps me understand that this person is a Prophet. If Jesus died in Kashmir (ahahahha) why is he the only source of these whispers? Dont you think someone, anyone would have taken note, I don't mean to call him a sorcerer just that I see the same origins in his claim as I see with alot of other Mystic Practices, Why is it that all the Sufis and Mystics also claim to communicate with God? What makes him any different? Honestly I dont see the attraction unless you are born into it and cannot question it. Let me ask you this what turned you to Ahmadi community? What was so touching about his message that I should be convinced?

 

[Monotheist 101]

I will ask you another question these Khulifa of Ahmadis, the leaders, do they still recieve revelations to guide them?

 

[Monotheist 101]

God knows I am not lying, when I try to look at his claims from a neutral point of view, he seems like a man intent on convincing his peers that everything that has ever been prophesized applies to him.

Ghulam Ahmad has been accusedof plagiarising, and altering the words of Arab linguists to appear as his own. He claimed that his book Hujjatullah [Convincing Proof from God] was of superior Arabic. However, his critics allege that several sentences and paragraphs in this text are taken directly without alteration, from Maqamat al-Hariri, the best known poetry collection of the Arabic scholar and poet Al-Hariri of Basra

"The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus' three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship". —Anjam-e-Atham, pg. 291)

How is this not disrespecting Gods holy messenger?

Ghulam Ahmad claimed divine appointment as a reformer as early as 1882 but did not take any pledge of allegiance or initiation. In December 1888, Ahmad announced that God had ordained that his followers should enter into a bay'ah with him and pledge their allegiance to him.

Again I see an Ordinary Man seeking wordly materialistic praise from human beings. Why bring a doctrine and make yourself immortal?

System of election

The Ahmadiyya community holds that the institution is not hereditary, even though all the successors except the first have been from the direct lineage of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

Even though all the successors have been direct lineage to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, keep it in the family? Why did the Prophet Muhammad not have any sons? Do you know the significance of this?

God rewards his messengers by taking their children away at an early age? How many of Ahmad's successors survived to spread this non-sense?


Honestly I think he is the one making a baseless claim, and as I said I don't have allegiance to any sect.

I think I have offended you enough with the use of logic, you have already made up your mind.

All the best my rightly guided brother, the one who gives credit that our beloved Prophet Muhammad deserves to a cunning deciever of men. All he wanted was to be important so every prophecy seemed to point to him in his eyes! Again as I said the world will take notice when the real Messiah arrives not just a few members of his family and illeterate villagers around him, the ones if he told 2+2=5 would have believed him.

 

[Rational_Mind]

So you don't see the arrogance in that claim?



Bro Jesus is not the Seal, even if he comes back, He is not a new prophet.

Logic is respected and lasts but irrational thought loses its innovativeness in the space of a few lines. Now our Noah's Ark will overpower the false one. The Europeans used to say that false Messiahs are about to come, so first these false prophets and Messiahs stepped out in London. After this the voice of the true Messiah will reach London. It is also recorded in the Ahadith that the Anti-Christ will claim Godhead and Prophethood for himself, so this Nation has also fulfilled this manifestly. Dowie is claiming to be a Prophet in America and Pigott is claiming to be God in London and calls himself God.

— Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, 'Malfoozat, Vol.4, 11 November 1902​

Bro I am reading his prophecies and writings, the more I read the stronger my disbelief grows, to me he seems like a man too concerned on hoping that all the important prophecies are fulfilled during his lifetime, What I dont understand is, why not just claim to be a learned scholar? Why dispute everything and Make himself so important, the Messiah and the Mahdi? Both not even one of them, I am sorry but nothing I read helps me understand that this person is a Prophet. If Jesus died in Kashmir (ahahahha) why is he the only source of these whispers? Dont you think someone, anyone would have taken note, I don't mean to call him a sorcerer just that I see the same origins in his claim as I see with alot of other Mystic Practices, Why is it that all the Sufis and Mystics also claim to communicate with God? What makes him any different? Honestly I dont see the attraction unless you are born into it and cannot question it. Let me ask you this what turned you to Ahmadi community? What was so touching about his message that I should be convinced?

Wait up one second. You took Jesus (as) like God and ascended him into the Sky. And you laugh that we believe a Prophet of God migrated to Kashmir and died a natural death. You should have no right to laugh when your beliefs are most unreasonable.

Do you know that the modern scholars also believe that Jesus died in Kashmir. Do you know it is a fact that people of Kashmir are a Jewish descent? Do you know BBC did a documentary on Jesus? Just because you have not known about it you should state that nobody else knows about this. Everyday more evidence is further reaffirming this, hence this is another truth of the Promised Messiah (as).

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He claimed only what God asked him to claim. Why should he claim otherwise? Should he change the truth to suit you. Because you want to people he should change to provide you with what you want. His claim clearly shows he didn't care what people wanted, it was what God said he would provide and fulfilled. God never promised two people, you can persist to want them. Because your arrogance commits this Shirk, doesn't think there is any possibility that your understanding of the Prophecies is incorrect.

Sir, LAST means LAST. If you accept LAST as LAST it means NO MORE PROPHETS CAN COME. So how are you bringing Jesus back? Is this some loop-hole that you will manage to fool God? Where does it say LAST TO BE BORN. Site your references, not your preconceived notions.

Analogy: Doctor says that today is the last chocolate cake you will have you. But you persist to eat chocolate cake that was cooked before today's date. You look for chocolate cake that was made earlier than today and continue to eat it. What kind of LOGIC is this?

In your view you believe it is the LAST PROPHET TO BE BORN. We believe he is the LAST LAW BEARING PROPHET TO COME. Let us examine if LAST TO BE BORN holds any water. Cite a single reference or forever hold your peace.

 

[Monotheist 101]

His opponents assert that he made a prayer that Moulvi Sanaullah of Amritsar, his arch opponent, who had openly called him a liar and an impostor, should die before him. His opponents point out that Mirza died first. His followers however contend that the issue was not single-faceted, and was part of a Mubahila (Prayer-Duel) or challenge, which was conditional upon the acceptance of the same by Maulvi Sanaullah. As Maulvi Sanaullah publicly refused to accept the challenge posed by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, his prior death did not occur. Hence the question of who died first became immaterial and inconsequential

The rightly guided challenge other to prayer duels? And pray for the opponent's death? Bro I refuse to believe a Pious man ( Not even a messenger) can ask God for something like this. The Rightly guided will pray for guidance of the opponent. Like I pray for you, do you pray for my death? Like your promised one use to?

 

[Monotheist 101]

His opponents assert that Mirza prophesied that Abdullah Atham, a Christian, who had debated with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, would die before him, within a limited time frame. However, some of his opponents assert that he died first, but especially that Atham died after the fifteen months prophesied period had passed.

Astagfirullah, your Prophet used to devote so much time concerning himself with prophesizing other deaths, did hav[e nothing better to do? Ya Allah help his soul.

 

[Monotheist 101]

• He prophesied that he would die in Mecca or in Medina but he died in Lahore and never saw either city. His followers state that the prophecy was not about where he would die, but about predicted great victories, like those Muhammad had over Mecca and Medina. They often quote what he himself wrote about the revelation that stated that he would die in Mecca or Medina:

This sentence ‘I shall die in Mecca or in Medina’ means that before my death I shall be bestowed a victory like that of Mecca. That is to say as the Holy Prophet had vanquished his enemies through the manifestation of the majestic Signs of Allah, so will it happen now. The second meaning is that, before my death, I shall be bestowed a victory like that of Medina which means that people’s hearts will of their own be inclined towards me.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad#cite_note-20

Allah did not even call him to his house, Bro have you read horoscopes in the paper? Doesnt matter what month you were born, they are written in such a way that anyone can apply to every single person. The defense the Ahmadiya community has given of his unfulfilled prophecies is the same, They are so vague that they can be twisted and turned to mean anything the reader desires.

 

[Monotheist 101]

Where are these victories like Mecca and Medina?

 

[Monotheist 101]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And there is none Of the People of the Book But must believe in him Before his death; And on the Day of Judgement He will be a witness Against them - Quran 4.149

Did everyone from the people of the book support your Promised ones claim? The reality is quite contrary non of the people of the book supported his claim. And by my understanding he is dead.
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[Monotheist 101]

According to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the founder of the Ahmadiyyas, the further sayings of Muhammad say that Jesus died in Kashmir at the age of one hundred and twenty years. They identify the holy man Yuz Asaf buried at the the Roza Bal shrine in Srinagar, India as Jesus on the basis of an account in the History of Kashmir by the Sufi poet Khwaja Muhammad Azam Didamari (1747) that the holy man Yuz Asaf buried there was a prophet and a foreign prince.[38]
In his 1957 book "The Wisdom of Balahvar" David Marshall Lang presented evidence of how confusion in diacritical markings in Arabic texts transformed Budhasaf (Buddha-to-be) into Yudasaf, Iodasaph, and then Yuzasaf, and resulted in the Ahmadiyya assertions; also confusing Kashmir and Kushinara, the place of Buddha's death.[39] The Swedish scholar Per Beskow in Jesus i Kashmir: Historien om en legend (1981) also concluded that Ahmad had misidentified traditions about Gautama Buddha in the Bilawhar wa-Yudasaf legend as being about Jesus. Beskow updated his conclusions in English in 2011

Bro dont you see how the eyes see what you want them to, you are telling me to look into the fact that Jesus died in Kashmir, do you not see how one intelligent man amongst a few ignorant can lead them astray?

 

[Rational_Mind]

Monotheist 101 you lack any honesty or integrity in research. Continue to look at one side. Despite my warnings that this is the conduct of disbelievers you continue to do so. You have yet to answer a single question of mine because you know yourself that you have no answer for your faulty beliefs.

You have already done the following:
-discredited every Prophet who received revelation.
-discredited every Prophet that never visited the Kaba.
-discredited every Holy Prophet (saw) as everyone didn't believe in him but they would do so with Jesus (as).
-discredited Prophecies altogether, even those given to the Holy Prophet (saw)
-discredited the Holy Quran because People of the Book (Jews and Christians) that passed away before the death of Jesus(as) without believing in "him" as per your faulty translation.
-misunderstood Prophecy but are in denial, we know the Holy Prophet (saw) had misunderstood that he would be able to complete Hajj after Hijrat one year, but he corrected himself. But obviously you are superior as you know that the Promised Messiah (as) prophesied he would enter Mecca.

Please please stop digging yourself in further. This is the same conduct by which disbelievers reject the Quran and the Holy Prophet (saw). Apply the conduct of the Sahaba. Test the claims of the person by reading his books not of his opponents.

Please save yourself and stop talking until you have gained some understanding.

Peace be on you and may God save your soul.

 

[Rational_Mind]

Astagfirullah, your Prophet used to devote so much time concerning himself with prophesizing other deaths, did hav[e nothing better to do? Ya Allah help his soul.

Do you know who he opposed? Do you even know anything about context?

Do you have no fear in your heart?