Misogynistic and Selfish, Edinburgh's Rape Crisis Centre's CEO is a trans-woman, i.e. a man !

[icehorse]

You seem to be saying that trans people are unlikely to be able to do the job because this particular trans person is CEO. She might be terrible at the job (or great at it) but this doesn't say anything about the suitability of a trans person in general.

You expressed your gobsmackery that a trans person could be CEO in the first place. Why?

No, I'm gobsmacked that a trans woman - a biological male - would be in charge of a rape crisis center. Common sense would tell us that such a person would mostly likely be pushing an ideology, and the evidence is that he has been. For example, when a female victim asks for a female counselor they are often not only turned away, they are not told that their is another rape crisis center down the street that will honor their request.

If this is not ideologically driven, then what? It's clearly not prioritizing care fro victims

You called her a man. Not a trans woman.

If you insist that trans women are men then you are denying the reality of gender identities that don't match to your expectations.

Please explain what you mean when you say "gender identity"?

Secondly, if you took a woman to a rape crisis centre you would demand a woman counselled them. But for you this guy is a woman. Would you therefore demand that a different woman counselled your loved one or would you be fine with Alex?

I would demand that the victim - any victim - be comfortable and feel safe with their counselor.

 

[icehorse]

She is a woman, a trans woman if you must specify. Whether she is a biological male is not a matter that needs to be brought up here, and so it's bad form.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I say he is a trans woman, and you disagree.

Not really. You're using transphobic language. I'm just pointing that out.

why is it transphobic?

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I will ask you the same question: please define what you mean when you say "gender identity"?

 

[Magic Man]

Common sense would tell us that such a person would mostly likely be pushing an ideology, and the evidence is that he has been.

You're here pushing your transphobic agenda, including right here in this quote. No reasonable person is going to take your accusations seriously.

Common sense tells us that there's no reason to assume a trans person would be pushing an ideology, and there is no evidence that this person has been.

 

[Magic Man]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I say he is a trans woman, and you disagree.

No, this is not a disagreement. You're using transphobic language, and I'm pointing it out. Intentionally using the wrong pronoun is transphobic.

why is it transphobic?

Because you're misgendering them. This is pretty basic stuff.

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I will ask you the same question: please define what you mean when you say "gender identity"?

A basic definition would be the one from Wiki: "the personal sense of one's own gender".

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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A basic definition would be the one from Wiki: "the personal sense of one's own gender".

That is according to the OP not logical and not a correct legal defintion. Yeah and it is if I recall correct misguied faith or something to that effect.

 

[Yerda]

No, I'm gobsmacked that a trans woman - a biological male - would be in charge of a rape crisis center. Common sense would tell us that such a person would mostly likely be pushing an ideology, and the evidence is that he has been.

Common sense tells us not to judge whole categories of people by the actions of an individual. Common prejudice may though.

For example, when a female victim asks for a female counselor they are often not only turned away, they are not told that their is another rape crisis center down the street that will honor their request.

Can you share that evidence again because I've missed it.

If this is not ideologically driven, then what? It's clearly not prioritizing care fro victims

Have you any evidence that victims didn't receive proper care?

Please explain what you mean when you say "gender identity"?

The internal sense of gender that a person has.

Here, from Britannica:

gender identity, an individual’s self-conception as a man or woman or as a boy or girl or as some combination of man/boy and woman/girl or as someone fluctuating between man/boy and woman/girl or as someone outside those categories altogether. It is distinguished from actual biological sex—i.e., male or female. For most persons, gender identity and biological sex correspond in the conventional way. Some individuals, however, experience little or no connection between sex and gender; among transgender persons, for example, biological sexual characteristics are distinct and unambiguous, but the affected person identifies with the gender conventionally associated with the opposite sex.

Gender identity | Definition, Theories, & Facts

Gender identity, an individual’s self-conception as a man or woman or as a boy or girl or as some combination of man/boy and woman/girl or as someone fluctuating between man/boy and woman/girl or as someone outside those categories altogether. Gender identity is distinct from biological sex.

www.britannica.com

I would demand that the victim - any victim - be comfortable and feel safe with their counselor.

But earlier you said you would demand another counsellor if they were trans.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, I'm gobsmacked that a trans woman - a biological male - would be in charge of a rape crisis center. Common sense would tell us that such a person would mostly likely be pushing an ideology, and the evidence is that he has been.

The assumption you've made here sounds like bias on your part.

For example, when a female victim asks for a female counselor they are often not only turned away, they are not told that their is another rape crisis center down the street that will honor their request.

If this is not ideologically driven, then what? It's clearly not prioritizing care fro victims


Please explain what you mean when you say "gender identity"?


I would demand that the victim - any victim - be comfortable and feel safe with their counselor.

 

[icehorse]

Because you're misgendering them. This is pretty basic stuff.

A basic definition would be the one from Wiki: "the personal sense of one's own gender".

To be clear, your definition of gender identity is: "the personal sense of one's own gender".

Can you see that this is a circular definition?

 

[icehorse]

Common sense tells us not to judge whole categories of people by the actions of an individual.

Good thing I'm not doing that

Can you share that evidence again because I've missed it.

I could, but I've learned that providing evidence on this topic is a waste of time

If you have any concern about the situation with the controversy-ridden rape crisis centre, you can find evidence easily.

gender identity, an individual’s self-conception as a man or woman or as a boy or girl or as some combination of man/boy and woman/girl or as someone fluctuating between man/boy and woman/girl or as someone outside those categories altogether. It is distinguished from actual biological sex—i.e., male or female. For most persons, gender identity and biological sex correspond in the conventional way. Some individuals, however, experience little or no connection between sex and gender; among transgender persons, for example, biological sexual characteristics are distinct and unambiguous, but the affected person identifies with the gender conventionally associated with the opposite sex.

This is word salad. One test is that I could choose to call ANYTHING I can think of a gender, and have it fit the definition you just provided.

For example, I could say that my self-conception as a man is that I ought to be the benevolent dictator of the world. Now, if you do not refer to me henceforth as "your high holiness" I will consider that you are rudely misgendering me.

 

[Magic Man]

To be clear, your definition of gender identity is: "the personal sense of one's own gender".

Can you see that this is a circular definition?

It is not. If you mean because it uses the term "gender", that's not circular. You would just need to ask for a definition of that, if you're not sure what it is.

 

[Magic Man]

This is word salad. One test is that I could choose to call ANYTHING I can think of a gender, and have it fit the definition you just provided.

For example, I could say that my self-conception as a man is that I ought to be the benevolent dictator of the world. Now, if you do not refer to me henceforth as "your high holiness" I will consider that you are rudely misgendering me.

No, that's just a typical transphobic response. We're talking about gender, not "status in the world" or profession or whatever. You can't choose to call anything a gender. Gender is a very specific thing. If you say you're self-conception is a man, then that is your gender. If people then intentionally refer to you as a woman, that's misgendering you. This doesn't apply to anything other than gender, which should be obvious by the fact that it's a GENDER identity.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Good thing I'm not doing that


I could, but I've learned that providing evidence on this topic is a waste of time

If you have any concern about the situation with the controversy-ridden rape crisis centre, you can find evidence easily.



This is word salad. One test is that I could choose to call ANYTHING I can think of a gender, and have it fit the definition you just provided.

For example, I could say that my self-conception as a man is that I ought to be the benevolent dictator of the world. Now, if you do not refer to me henceforth as "your high holiness" I will consider that you are rudely misgendering me.

What does "your high holiness" have to do with gender?

 

[icehorse]

It is not. If you mean because it uses the term "gender", that's not circular. You would just need to ask for a definition of that, if you're not sure what it is.

yes please, give me a useful definition of "gender"...

 

[Magic Man]

yes please, give me a useful definition of "gender"...

At a basic level, this from Wiki works:

"Gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity."

 

[Yerda]

Good thing I'm not doing that

No, I suppose not. Seems more like you started from the prejudice and worked from there.

I could, but I've learned that providing evidence on this topic is a waste of time

I see.

If you have any concern about the situation with the controversy-ridden rape crisis centre, you can find evidence easily.

I can't find anything about them turning women away.

This is word salad. One test is that I could choose to call ANYTHING I can think of a gender, and have it fit the definition you just provided.

For example, I could say that my self-conception as a man is that I ought to be the benevolent dictator of the world. Now, if you do not refer to me henceforth as "your high holiness" I will consider that you are rudely misgendering me.

You're playing games now.

 

[icehorse]

At a basic level, this from Wiki works:

"Gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of being a man, woman, or other gender identity."

Again, circular word salad. I can easily fit "your high holiness" into this definition, correct?

 

[Magic Man]

Again, circular word salad. I can easily fit "your high holiness" into this definition, correct?

Again, no, it's not circular or word salad, and you could not fit "your high holiness" into it.

1) "Your high holiness" is term of address, not a gender.

2) Read the definition again. There are aspects associated with being a man and woman in our society. They are social, psychological, cultural and behavioral. That's called gender.

If you don't understand the concept, the best idea would be to take some time to learn about it. Read about it or just ask on here. It can be complicated, but at its heart it's basically just a person's mental state regarding the cultural and behavioral roles associated with men and women. A bad idea is to call anything you don't like "word salad" and then insist on obviously silly rebuttals that completely misunderstand the topic.

 

[icehorse]

Seems more like you started from the prejudice and worked from there.

What prejudice?

Here's a nice quote from Mridul:

“Sexual violence happens to bigoted people as well… If you bring unacceptable beliefs that are discriminatory in nature, we will begin to work with you on your journey of recovery from trauma. But please also expect to be challenged on your prejudices… You have to reframe your trauma… To me, therapy is political”.

I can't find anything about them turning women away.

Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre Faces Backlash Over Employee Dismissal -

Top Stories An employment tribunal has ruled in favour of Roz Adams, a former employee of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC), who claimed constructive dismissal. The tribunal found that Adams had been harassed and discriminated against due to her gender-critical views. Background: Roz Adams...

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You're playing games now.

I'm exposing the dangerous "games" that gender ideologists started

 

[icehorse]

Again, no, it's not circular or word salad, and you could not fit "your high holiness" into it.

1) "Your high holiness" is term of address, not a gender.

2) Read the definition again. There are aspects associated with being a man and woman in our society. They are social, psychological, cultural and behavioral. That's called gender.

If you don't understand the concept, the best idea would be to take some time to learn about it. Read about it or just ask on here. It can be complicated, but at its heart it's basically just a person's mental state regarding the cultural and behavioral roles associated with men and women. A bad idea is to call anything you don't like "word salad" and then insist on obviously silly rebuttals that completely misunderstand the topic.

I've tried. It's religious nonsense.

how about this, give an example from what you just said. Give an example of "a person's mental state regarding the cultural and behavior roles associated with men and women".

And then explain the mental state of a female brick layer?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Go ahead, call me "trans-phobic", but if a girl or woman I loved (or any female for that matter), was raped by a man, and went to a rape crisis center for support, I would demand that the victim not be "counseled" by a man.

I would want them counseled by someone qualified to do so, regardless of gender, and especially regardless of sex, since I would have no idea what genitals or genetics they have.