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More attacks on Free Speech in the UK

icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Evidence and logic that they are the best thinkers and that there is an exact version of free spech and that is the foundation of modern, Western civilization.
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This is one of the best ways I think anyone can spend 20 minutes:

 
Argentbear

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
Only 59, eh.
You've barely lived.
Well, tis good that censoring hate speech
works in your country. Not so suitable for
places like USA, Russia, Thailand, etc.
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Yeah life was so much better when this wasn't hate speech.

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Argentbear

Argentbear

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icehorse said:
how so?
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With freedom of speech you or anyone can say what you please. You can lie about trans kids or promote racism or harass coworkers or neighbors and all that is constitutionally protected. But like everything else saying this stuff has consequences, sometimes those consequences are personal and sometime social and sometimes legal. So you can go right ahead "criticize religion or the woke or oligarchs" but there may be consequences that you don't like.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Kathryn said:
Actually, the definition of imminent means it is just about to happen, not that it is happening and already happened.
www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of IMMINENT

ready to take place : happening soon —often used of something bad or dangerous seen as menacingly near… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com www.merriam-webster.com
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Yes, the it should read "it's not imminent," making it fit with the post saying it has happened and is happening. A little typo doesn't mean I don't know what it means.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
icehorse said:
And do you somehow imagine that censoring these horrible human beings will shut them down?

Instead, I'd say we're better off knowing that they exist, so that we can better deal with them.
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And that's not how Grant and the military saw it. They acknowledged the Klan for the terrorists they are and actually did something other than say oh well.
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

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icehorse said:
And do you somehow imagine that censoring these horrible human beings will shut them down?

Instead, I'd say we're better off knowing that they exist, so that we can better deal with them.
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It truth making the activities of the KKK illegal and making it hate speech allowing criminal prosecutions and letting people file lawsuits against them has shut them down. When was the last time you heard of an actual cross burning or a lynching? Members of the KKK used to number in the millions and now best estimates put the total number at about 1000.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Shadow Wolf said:
Yes, the it should read "it's not imminent," making it fit with the post saying it has happened and is happening. A little typo doesn't mean I don't know what it means.
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I'm simply pointing out facts about the definition of imminent, which is pretty important in this context.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
amorphous_constellation said:
For example, if i met any random person on earth, I couldn't possibly guess what their particular religious belief was. Why? Because humans vary wildly on that - they perceive the basic input of reality, that we all share in being in contact with, in unpredicable ways. This is because belief conclusions differ so much, so then must not they be aligned with differing perceptual conclusions? So it's not a simple thing

But to go back to your previous post, I'm sure there were rather rapid / or perhaps spontaneous attacks by groups from village to village in prehistory, or well before the internet. It's not required for those things to happen. But maybe the problem incubates quicker with modern tech, sure. All modern tech seems to accelerate human activity, but most potential human activity it was already there in the human nature. The same sort of chicken came before the modern egg, from an older egg. It hatched into a nasty t-rex before, and it can now, only quicker

But I still believe in the potential of willpower and discipline in the individual, so that they can internally combat whatever false messages they hear, be they poorly constructed or well. I think the digital world is only going to get noisier, probably. Unless government really locks it down somewhere down the line
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You aren't paying attention to my point. Yes, these things happened before but today it's worse ans it has been observed and documented that time and time again Facebook has been where people are learnijg hate, and learninf it like we never have been able to before.
Amd your willpower amd discipline work out as well as the neo-liberal belief the informed consumer will keeo bad companies in check. That doesn't happen.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Degrow!
icehorse said:
Well that's the starting point for this thread! In the UK right now free speech is being sharply curtailed, and that seems extremely dangerous.
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I see no danger in the UK position, but what is your solution to online threats and harrassment if not moderation (as there is on RF of course).
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Argentbear said:
With freedom of speech you or anyone can say what you please. You can lie about trans kids or promote racism or harass coworkers or neighbors and all that is constitutionally protected. But like everything else saying this stuff has consequences, sometimes those consequences are personal and sometime social and sometimes legal. So you can go right ahead "criticize religion or the woke or oligarchs" but there may be consequences that you don't like.
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Of course. But we're talking about what's legal.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Secret Chief said:
I see no danger in the UK position, but what is your solution to online threats and harrassment if not moderation (as there is on RF of course).
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Honesty and sunlight, both of which are sorely lacking in most politicians and clearly in UK politicians.
 
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