Secret Chief
Degrow!
None of this was peaceful protest. It was racist violence, arranged using social media. I live about a mile from one of the occurrences. Thugs trying to attack a mosque. Quite happy for them all to be thrown in prison.
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More attacks on Free Speech in the UK
- Thread starter icehorse
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It really is that pathetic
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Images in themselves are clearly not the problem, or all the media outlets would be in trouble.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, it is a Tory law. They are to blame for the law.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
I think I might argue that, for example, that one can read all kinds of books, and listen to all kinds of talks on youtube, especially of a political nature, but you as a listener have some responsibility to interpret every form of media you consume in a the wiser way, than to just say that what you do is flatly caused only by the media you consumed.
And it’s nothing to compare what labour are going to impose on us “islamophobia”,already adopted by the party will be treated as a race crime even though not all followers of Islam are one race,you won’t be able (not that I would) for example say “that fully covered Muslim woman reminds me of a patio umberella” as that will be deemed racist even though you don’t even know what race she is because,well she’s covered head to toe.
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amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
Well that's not good, but what about the questions I asked?
rocala
Well-Known Member
Thank you eddi, Christine, Secret Chief and Others for your common sense, principals and simply standing up to the crap I am seeing here.
I don't know how many of you have actually been in a riot but trust me it is a totally different world to posting in a forum or reading your newspaper. A word is like a gunshot, sometimes people say what was that and other times world war breaks out.
The atmosphere has an incredible energy to it, a minor grievance can become a call to war. A very good reason not to insult religious figures or even the local football team. That energy can linger too and turn into making those who get away with it into short term heroes. Lynch mobs can be born this way.
I got very excited once on an anti-racism demo. A small but nonetheless nasty riot resulted, people got hurt and some got arrested and nothing was achieved. Some time later in a different life I was on a counter insurgency course with the military. So I have seen it from both sides and I know that eddi, Christine and Secret Chief are talking sense.
I don't know how many of you have actually been in a riot but trust me it is a totally different world to posting in a forum or reading your newspaper. A word is like a gunshot, sometimes people say what was that and other times world war breaks out.
The atmosphere has an incredible energy to it, a minor grievance can become a call to war. A very good reason not to insult religious figures or even the local football team. That energy can linger too and turn into making those who get away with it into short term heroes. Lynch mobs can be born this way.
I got very excited once on an anti-racism demo. A small but nonetheless nasty riot resulted, people got hurt and some got arrested and nothing was achieved. Some time later in a different life I was on a counter insurgency course with the military. So I have seen it from both sides and I know that eddi, Christine and Secret Chief are talking sense.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, we don't agree, so there is that.
There is a difference between portrayals and incitements
Ok,no problem
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
That's not good, but why do things happen like that, in that sort of a sequence? If what you say is possible, then the implication is that some kind of a social issue is not being dealt with hardly at all, for the atmosphere to be something akin to a barn full of moldy hay, waiting for a spark. What is the psychology behind this kind of an atmosphere, and its progression into something no one wants?
“Quite happy for them all to be thrown in prison”
Do you mean the white ones or all?
rocala
Well-Known Member
That is a very good question, IMO. All I can say is that I don't recall meeting anybody who thinks we, as a society are doing ok. Left, right and centre, everybody is pissed off. Everybody wants to go where the grass is greener.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Manchester Airport.
If you plead guilty you are dealt with swiftly.
If pleading not guilty a case has to be built, submitted the the CPS, it can take ages.
Seems pretty straightforward to me,it’s all on video.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Do you agree that Steve Bray should be prosecuted
It is not just right wing nut jobs that get caught by the oppressive law.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Do you not understand what I said? I'll say it again.
If the accused plead NOT GUILTY a case must be built, submitted to the CPS before it can go to trial.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's why it's called mass surveillance and not individuals being investigated under due cause.
Sounds petty for just being noisy,maybe someone should tell him it’s already happened.