Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[Aquitaine]

Who talked about rapes and sexual harassment.

We are talking about women's freedom.

Did you accuse me that i am portraying women as a sex object while actually they are
taking sunbathing.

So what you call those kind of dancing,Physical exercise.

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Go Go Dance .... - YouTube

I think it's related to the whole "respect" issue: Raping a Woman or sexually harassing her is a major form of disrespect for her integrity and status as a living person. But anyways, I'm going slightly off-topic.

In relation to your videos, I accused you of giving an insulting sarcastic caption for the sunbathing video - as if to say that those Women are "inferior" to the Muslim convert Women in the previous videos. The fact that you felt it was necessary to sarcastically comment on the sunbathers' intelligence, to me, shows that you just assumed they were dumb and bad simply because they were wearing bikinis.

As for your video, most Women do dance for excercising, yes. But the video you posted was a commercialised music video (with obvious sexual undertones) - it's completely different to the video of Women sunbathing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We are talking about women's freedom.

Which is severely restricted and denied in many places throughout the world. If a woman wants to leave the house, go to school, and have a fruitful career she should never need her husbands permission, and there should never be any laws that prohibit a woman from doing so.

So what you call those kind of dancing,Physical exercise.

I call it music industry garbage. Which is a label I use often to describe most mainstream and radio friendly music, regardless of sexual content.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

i think god wants respect for woman other than just to be a sex object.

So, you're suggesting that she is then to HIDE herself from being portrayed as a sex object?

Who is doing the objectifying?

 

[Aquitaine]

So, you're suggesting that she is then to HIDE herself from being portrayed as a sex object?

Who is doing the objectifying?

Following Islamic logic shouldn't we also be covering up Men in Burkhas to stop them being objectified as sex objects by Women and Gay Men?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Following Islamic logic shouldn't we also be covering up Men in Burkhas to stop them being objectified as sex objects by Women and Gay Men?

I can't speak for those who disagree with me in this particular thread, but I've brought this up repeatedly for years on RF. The answers tend to have a common theme - typically in two parts:

Men can't control themselves when they see a beautiful woman

-and-

Women don't lust after men

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Also, what we hear about gay men, is that they either don't really exist, or they're horrible people that need to be punished some way some how.

There's a lot of assumptions I have found that simply are not true. Women don't collectively need protection, since it would be that much easier to create the situation of the fox guarding the henhouse.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Men can't control themselves when they see a beautiful woman

The irony is that this view ultimately disrespects men to the point of defining them as simple, pathetic animals that have no control over their urges or actions. For a worldview supposedly based so much on respect, it does a great job at disrespecting all humans, male and female.

 

[Aquitaine]

I can't speak for those who disagree with me in this particular thread, but I've brought this up repeatedly for years on RF. The answers tend to have a common theme - typically in two parts:

Men can't control themselves when they see a beautiful woman

-and-

Women don't lust after men

.

.

.

Also, what we hear about gay men, is that they either don't really exist, or they're horrible people that need to be punished some way some how.

There's a lot of assumptions I have found that simply are not true. Women don't collectively need protection, since it would be that much easier to create the situation of the fox guarding the henhouse.

Aye, I've not been round RF as long as you have, but even I've heard those same things - over and over again. The Gay excuse does perhaps interest me the most though, especially with how they just don't actually exist, apparently (at least in the Muslim world). I suppose that's just what you get when you think it's some sort of disease lol

 

[Aquitaine]

The irony is that this view ultimately disrespects men to the point of defining them as simple, pathetic animals that have no control over their urges or actions. For a worldview supposedly based so much on respect, it does a great job at disrespecting all humans, male and female.

But then again, when such sentiments are the beliefs of a religion which promotes the need for a judging God to whip us back into shape for redemption, it honestly doesn't surprise me that many Muslims think this way.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

The irony is that this view ultimately disrespects men to the point of defining them as simple, pathetic animals that have no control over their urges or actions. For a worldview supposedly based so much on respect, it does a great job at disrespecting all humans, male and female.

Indeed.

When I was active in various Bible study groups through my college years, I once was horrified to hear another woman talk freely during Bible study about how importantly it was to "dress modestly because everybody knows men can't control themselves, and we should do what we can to not be raped."

It was the most disturbing comment I'd heard from another human being that year, I think, because the assumptions about men being monstrous and women being no more than mere bodies that make men react....it made me sick to my stomach.

The worst part was when I looked around at the other 7 or 8 women I was with, and they all were nodding their heads as if it was as real as the Laws of Thermodynamics.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Indeed.

When I was active in various Bible study groups through my college years, I once was horrified to hear another woman talk freely during Bible study about how importantly it was to "dress modestly because everybody knows men can't control themselves, and we should do what we can to not be raped."

It was the most disturbing comment I'd heard from another human being that year, I think, because the assumptions about men being monstrous and women being no more than mere bodies that make men react....it made me sick to my stomach.

The worst part was when I looked around at the other 7 or 8 women I was with, and they all were nodding their heads as if it was as real as the Laws of Thermodynamics.

It sometimes surprises me how misogynistic some women can be. It's rather ironic, but I guess that's what happens when they're taught that women who don't conform to their standards are to be looked down upon as inferior.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Aye, I've not been round RF as long as you have, but even I've heard those same things - over and over again. The Gay excuse does perhaps interest me the most though, especially with how they just don't actually exist, apparently (at least in the Muslim world). I suppose that's just what you get when you think it's some sort of disease lol

Not only do gays not really exist, but rape doesn't really exist either in these cultures.

When cultural norms insist that women who are raped likely are punished for adultery or fornication, or that homosexuals are likely punished for living openly, it's no wonder why rape and homosexuality aren't reported much.

 

[Aquitaine]

Not only do gays not really exist, but rape doesn't really exist either in these cultures.

When cultural norms insist that women who are raped likely are punished for adultery or fornication, or that homosexuals are likely punished for living openly, it's no wonder why rape and homosexuality aren't reported much.

Ha yeah - it wouldn't surprise me if Islamic countries have the lowest Rape statistics in the World, clearly they're leading the way for Women's Rights!!1

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It sometimes surprises me how misogynistic some women can be. It's rather ironic, but I guess that's what happens when they're taught that women who don't conform to their standards are to be looked down upon as inferior.

A number of assumptions about the theological nature of the human condition are at odds with pervasive evidence. Man, woman, child, elderly....people will still cling to ideas that men aren't emotional, that women are fragile, that children and teenagers have the same developed brain as a 30 year old, etc. And in so doing with these examples alone, we tell boys that they should never cry, that girls need males to protect them and know what's better for them, that a teenager should know better when their pre-frontal cortex won't mature until 25 or so.

It's no wonder why people who cling to these assumptions and expectations are so incredibly unhappy with the world and with people.

 

[F0uad]

Tell women in places such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, or the U.A.E. just how much of a choice they have.

Well there are certain laws that we Muslims abide to, so why don't you just accept the differences.
I have to point out that i do not agree with some of those rules in those countries.

Even female tourist to the U.A.E. have had problems with the local rape laws.
Dubai's shameful record on rape | Nadya Khalife | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

There are no statics mentions and do you want to compare this with the rape of the west yes or no? If not why even bring it up..

As for the garbage, if you think it is garbage that a woman is fully equal to a man then that says alot about the person you are.

Nope i just think your message was garbage. Women and Man are equal but sometimes the Women is superior in certain aspects and sometimes Man are superior in other aspects.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It is interesting to note who decides which gender is superior and in what specific aspects....

 

[Aquitaine]

It is interesting to note who decides which gender is superior and in what specific aspects....

I would imagine that would be left to the Men, since Women probably won't be seen as having one of their superior strengths be "judging which sexes have superior strengths in what aspects".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Following Islamic logic shouldn't we also be covering up Men in Burkhas to stop them being objectified as sex objects by Women and Gay Men?

Then give this man a Burkhas, because I am thinking some naughty things now.

Well there are certain laws that we Muslims abide to, so why don't you just accept the differences.

I do accept the differences. What I do not accept is that these differences are tolerated and defended.

There are no statics mentions and do you want to compare this with the rape of the west yes or no? If not why even bring it up..

How often is a victim of rape, and her boyfriend, charged with a crime? Several news stories of female tourist have came from the U.A.E. about their practices of handling rape victims.

Nope i just think your message was garbage. Women and Man are equal but sometimes the Women is superior in certain aspects and sometimes Man are superior in other aspects.

Men and women are equal. Sure there are some things that men can do better than women, and some things women can do better than men, but we are both equal and none is superior to the other.

 

[Breathe]

I just thought I would like to share this in light of the topic; I feel it is relevant.

Two monks were returning to the monastery in the evening. It had rained and there were puddles of water on the road sides. At one place a beautiful young woman was standing unable to walk accross because of a puddle of water. The elder of the two monks went up to a her lifted her and left her on the other side of the road, and continued his way to the monastery.

In the evening the younger monk came to the elder monk and said, “Sir, as monks, we cannot touch a woman?”

The elder monk answered “yes, brother”.

Then the younger monk asks again, “But then Sir, how is that you lifted that woman on the roadside?”

The elder monk smiled at him and told him ”I left her on the other side of the road, but you are still carrying her.”

Source: The 10 Very Best Zen Stories​

 

[FearGod]

I just thought I would like to share this in light of the topic; I feel it is relevant.

Two monks were returning to the monastery in the evening. It had rained and there were puddles of water on the road sides. At one place a beautiful young woman was standing unable to walk accross because of a puddle of water. The elder of the two monks went up to a her lifted her and left her on the other side of the road, and continued his way to the monastery.

In the evening the younger monk came to the elder monk and said, “Sir, as monks, we cannot touch a woman?”

The elder monk answered “yes, brother”.

Then the younger monk asks again, “But then Sir, how is that you lifted that woman on the roadside?”

The elder monk smiled at him and told him ”I left her on the other side of the road, but you are still carrying her.”

Source: The 10 Very Best Zen Stories
​

You remind me with a similar story that one monk was inside one bank at the time of robbery and then the robbers asked everyone males and females to undress,so all did except the monk,one of the robbers came to him and pointing the gun to his head and ordered him to take off his cloth,so the monk took off everything except the panty,the robber was so angry and ordered the monk to take off his panty,then the monk while staring at the naked men and women,he hold his hat to hide his penis and then took off his panty,but the robber ordered him to lift up his hands and the monk did so but the hat was still hanging there.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I can't speak for those who disagree with me in this particular thread, but I've brought this up repeatedly for years on RF. The answers tend to have a common theme - typically in two parts:

Men can't control themselves when they see a beautiful woman

-and-

Women don't lust after men

.

.

.

Also, what we hear about gay men, is that they either don't really exist, or they're horrible people that need to be punished some way some how.

There's a lot of assumptions I have found that simply are not true. Women don't collectively need protection, since it would be that much easier to create the situation of the fox guarding the henhouse.

hehehe.....I can't wait to hear the Muslim Brotherhood's response when the West starts pressuring the Islamic world to allow gay marriage.