Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[Shadow Wolf]

hehehe.....I can't wait to hear the Muslim Brotherhood's response when the West starts pressuring the Islamic world to allow gay marriage.

I think pressuring them to cease the state sanctioned executions of homosexuals is going to happen much sooner than pressuring them to allow marriage.

 

[Alceste]

Maybe i am complicated or uncivilized but thats it, i prefer the one
hiding her body to be as my wife.

What does that have to do with anything? I don't think any of those bikini women want to marry you. And what does your personal taste in wife material have to do with women's rights and freedoms in general? Shouldn't we do what is best for women, not what is preferable for you?

 

[illykitty]

What does that have to do with anything? I don't think any of those bikini women want to marry you. And what does your personal taste in wife material have to do with women's rights and freedoms in general? Shouldn't we do what is best for women, not what is preferable for you?

And what is best? How do we know what really is best. We don't have infinite knowledge and wisdom... Do we really know the extent of the consequences that either decision could have? That goes for both sides of the argument. I'm trying to understand this issue.

 

[WyattDerp]

What does that have to do with anything? I don't think any of those bikini women want to marry you. And what does your personal taste in wife material have to do with women's rights and freedoms in general? Shouldn't we do what is best for women, not what is preferable for you?

I'm sorry, but I'm on this Assata Shakur quote tip..

"Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people that were oppressing them." -- Assata Shakur

It seems to be true here, too.

 

[Alceste]

And what is best? How do we know what really is best. We don't have infinite knowledge and wisdom... Do we really know the extent of the consequences that either decision could have? That goes for both sides of the argument. I'm trying to understand this issue.

We don't know what is best for others. We may have some idea what is best for ourselves, and a vague idea of what might be best for those we love if our love is sincere and we feel a strong sense of empathy for them.

So, we should all decide for ourselves what is best for us, and allow others to do the same, even if that means they might show their hair or leave the house without our permission. Or even, God help us, wear a swim suit to the beach.

 

[Aquitaine]

We don't know what is best for others. We may have some idea what is best for ourselves, and a vague idea of what might be best for those we love if our love is sincere and we feel a strong sense of empathy for them.

So, we should all decide for ourselves what is best for us, and allow others to do the same, even if that means they might show their hair or leave the house without our permission. Or even, God help us, wear a swim suit to the beach.

Can't believe we're still bickering about issues like this well into the 21st century - I guess we're not all that advanced yet.

 

[illykitty]

We don't know what is best for others. We may have some idea what is best for ourselves, and a vague idea of what might be best for those we love if our love is sincere and we feel a strong sense of empathy for them.

So, we should all decide for ourselves what is best for us, and allow others to do the same, even if that means they might show their hair or leave the house without our permission. Or even, God help us, wear a swim suit to the beach.

I know an adult women should know best, but I'm just thinking of little girls and teenagers, that emulate adults... As a teen, I dressed, it provoked, and I did things I now regret so in some ways, I sort of understand the Muslim POV which is preventive... At the same time I know because of my experience that covering is better... So I'm really divided on this. Also, my experience of men, apart from some friends and my husband has never been all that great.

I wouldn't advocate to force women to cover but at the same time I don't really like the other extreme personally. It's a hard subject to me. Anyway, some of the changes proposed, from my understanding of Islam and the wives of the Prophet, some of it should be allowed anyway. Some of the Prophet's wives were very independent women and it doesn't seem they were forced into anything, IMO. Khadijah was a business women wasn't she?

 

[Riverwolf]

Can't believe we're still bickering about issues like this well into the 21st century - I guess we're not all that advanced yet.

A culture's technological ability says nothing of their cultural outlook.

Japan, the most technologically advanced nation in the world (at least last I checked) is decades behind us in terms of womens' rights.

From what I can tell, our behavior has changed extremely little over the centuries.

 

[Aquitaine]

I know an adult women should know best, but I'm just thinking of little girls and teenagers, that emulate adults... As a teen, I dressed, it provoked, and I did things I now regret so in some ways, I sort of understand the Muslim POV which is preventive... At the same time I know because of my experience that covering is better... So I'm really divided on this. Also, my experience of men, apart from some friends and my husband has never been all that great.

I wouldn't advocate to force women to cover but at the same time I don't really like the other extreme personally. It's a hard subject to me. Anyway, some of the changes proposed, from my understanding of Islam and the wives of the Prophet, some of it should be allowed anyway. Some of the Prophet's wives were very independent women and it doesn't seem they were forced into anything, IMO. Khadijah was a business women wasn't she?

I personally wouldn't say for example, that Aisha was Independent and not forced into anything. To be honest though, it's getting to the point now where I just believe groups of people should just stick to themselves - don't try to force your views on another country and vice-versa, otherwise we're just gonna get bogged down.

 

[Aquitaine]

A culture's technological ability says nothing of their cultural outlook.

Japan, the most technologically advanced nation in the world (at least last I checked) is decades behind us in terms of womens' rights.

From what I can tell, our behavior has changed extremely little over the centuries.

Sadly that appears to be the case.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sadly that appears to be the case.

It's only sad because we were lied to.

Honestly, it doesn't bother me anymore.

Because many old cultures treated women just fine. In Gaul, women could easily acquire wealth and become prominent. There's plenty of Icelandic sagas featuring successful women leaders from Viking times.

It's from those cultures that modern Anglo-American peoples' culture (as opposed to our political culture, which remains Roman) is most derived, so far as I can see.

 

[Alceste]

I know an adult women should know best, but I'm just thinking of little girls and teenagers, that emulate adults... As a teen, I dressed, it provoked, and I did things I now regret so in some ways, I sort of understand the Muslim POV which is preventive... At the same time I know because of my experience that covering is better... So I'm really divided on this. Also, my experience of men, apart from some friends and my husband has never been all that great.

I wouldn't advocate to force women to cover but at the same time I don't really like the other extreme personally. It's a hard subject to me. Anyway, some of the changes proposed, from my understanding of Islam and the wives of the Prophet, some of it should be allowed anyway. Some of the Prophet's wives were very independent women and it doesn't seem they were forced into anything, IMO. Khadijah was a business women wasn't she?

I think education is important, for both men and women, to make sure everyone is aware of some basic risk-reduction strategies. For women, you can reduce your risk of being assaulted more by not drinking to excess or hanging out with strange men than you can by dressing like a nun. For men, you can reduce your risks of being accused of sexual assault by being respectful of womens' physical boundaries regardless of what they are wearing - and of course not drinking to excess.

The Muslim point of view cannot reasonably be called "preventive" if it isn't actually preventing sexual assault. If anything, it seems to make the problem worse. For example, in this thread we're seeing the difference between the Islamic mentality and the Western mentality in the contrast between the guy who is posting pictures of women in bikinis, drooling all over the place, objectifying them, calling them stupid and implying they are whores, and the Western guys who are going "What else are you going to wear on the beach?" I know who I'd rather run into in a dark alley in the middle of the night. How about you?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I know an adult women should know best, but I'm just thinking of little girls and teenagers, that emulate adults... As a teen, I dressed, it provoked, and I did things I now regret so in some ways, I sort of understand the Muslim POV which is preventive... At the same time I know because of my experience that covering is better... So I'm really divided on this. Also, my experience of men, apart from some friends and my husband has never been all that great.

I wouldn't advocate to force women to cover but at the same time I don't really like the other extreme personally. It's a hard subject to me. Anyway, some of the changes proposed, from my understanding of Islam and the wives of the Prophet, some of it should be allowed anyway. Some of the Prophet's wives were very independent women and it doesn't seem they were forced into anything, IMO. Khadijah was a business women wasn't she?

There's a difference between taking responsibility and protecting the welfare of our youth.... and putting adult women in the same category as youth. This kind of POV infantilizes women and considers them incapable of looking after themselves.

Also, not all Muslims feel this way. I've met and have befriended very strong and independent Muslim women and the men who love and support them who are in complete disagreement with the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Sadly that appears to be the case.

A number of assumptions about the theological nature of the human condition are at odds with pervasive evidence. Man, woman, child, elderly....people will still cling to ideas that men aren't emotional, that women are fragile, that children and teenagers have the same developed brain as a 30 year old, etc. And in so doing with these examples alone, we tell boys that they should never cry, that girls need males to protect them and know what's better for them, that a teenager should know better when their pre-frontal cortex won't mature until 25 or so.

It's no wonder why people who cling to these assumptions and expectations are so incredibly unhappy with the world and with people.

I can see this especially being an issue when people who might actually have a correct understanding of how things actually work according to current evidence feel obligated to adhere to a specific set of beliefs about those things, consequently getting guilted into believing an inaccurate point of view.

It seems that some people attribute any disagreement between what they think and what their stance is "supposed" to be to a fault in their understanding rather than in the expectation, even though the complete opposite may be the case.

 

[F0uad]

I do accept the differences. What I do not accept is that these differences are tolerated and defended.

Wait... What? :areyoucra

How often is a victim of rape, and her boyfriend, charged with a crime? Several news stories of female tourist have came from the U.A.E. about their practices of handling rape victims.

I don't know anything about the UAE but i can say the same how many Rapist have been caught and how have they been charged in the West? Don't you see how easy it is to point fingers?

Men and women are equal. Sure there are some things that men can do better than women, and some things women can do better than men, but we are both equal and none is superior to the other.

I think i used the wrong words i don't mean superior what i mean to say is that they are different. Like i said they are equal however Islam does make a distinction between the two as the West also does.

 

[WyattDerp]

I don't know anything about the UAE but i can say the same how many Rapist have been caught and how have they been charged in the West? Don't you see how easy it is to point fingers?

So you don't "know anything" about the UAE, but are so convinced that you'd find a similar situation in "the west" that you simply take that for granted?

Yes, that's very easy indeed.

 

[FearGod]

I think education is important, for both men and women, to make sure everyone is aware of some basic risk-reduction strategies. For women, you can reduce your risk of being assaulted more by not drinking to excess or hanging out with strange men than you can by dressing like a nun. For men, you can reduce your risks of being accused of sexual assault by being respectful of womens' physical boundaries regardless of what they are wearing - and of course not drinking to excess.

The Muslim point of view cannot reasonably be called "preventive" if it isn't actually preventing sexual assault. If anything, it seems to make the problem worse. For example, in this thread we're seeing the difference between the Islamic mentality and the Western mentality in the contrast between the guy who is posting pictures of women in bikinis, drooling all over the place, objectifying them, calling them stupid and implying they are whores, and the Western guys who are going "What else are you going to wear on the beach?" I know who I'd rather run into in a dark alley in the middle of the night. How about you?

i didn't say that they are whores but you are saying it.

What i am saying that they objectify women as a sex object,why we lie to ourselves,you can't see that the camra only follow women ,why not men too !!!!
Don't tell me it teachs us how to take the sunbath.

Then come on,why you used the word whore as an insult.
isn't prostitution one of their requested rights which we should respect and then not to be be used as a word of insult.

 

[WyattDerp]

Men wear even less on beaches. Maybe it's just more comfortable? And yes, tanning plays a role, too.

 

[FearGod]

Men wear even less on beaches. Maybe it's just more comfortable? And yes, tanning plays a role, too.

Why not to have a look on the men's comments on the video.

They chose their favourite girls and have a plan to visit Costa Rica (For Tanning i guess )

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know anything about the UAE but i can say the same how many Rapist have been caught and how have they been charged in the West? Don't you see how easy it is to point fingers?

If you don't know anything, then on what grounds do you point the finger? We don't charge victims with drunkenness and illegal sex activities. Sure we have a nasty problem with character assassination and most rapist never facing any consequences, but my point is you don't hear about the victim being charged, and you certainly don't hear about her significant other being charged with a crime either.
And here is alittle more education on the United Arab Emirates.
Dubai Toughens Up its Rape Laws | Al Bawaba

The crime of rape is alien to UAE society, Dubai's attorney general stressed, pledging to push for maximum punishment against perpetrators.
"Dubai Public Prosecution will not spare any effort, whatsoever, to combat the crime of rape or any other crime of the same nature. Rape is an alien to the UAE society," attorney general Essam Eisa Al Humaidan said yesterday.