Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[Alceste]

i didn't say that they are whores but you are saying it.

What i am saying that they objectify women as a sex object,why we lie to ourselves,you can't see that the camra only follow women ,why not men too !!!!
Don't tell me it teachs us how to take the sunbath.

Then come on,why you used the word whore as an insult.
isn't prostitution one of their requested rights which we should respect and then not to be be used as a word of insult.

You're the only one who is seeing "sex objects" in these videos. The rest of us are seeing people who happen to be wearing bikinis, in a place where it is completely normal to wear bikinis.

Look, I know it's going to sound very strange to you, but the only pervert I've ever run into on a nude beach who was making women feel uncomfortable was a Muslim man. He was sitting off to the side, fully clothed, and ogling at naked women. None of the Western men at this beach were doing anything like that. They were minding their own business, enjoying the sunshine, just like the women.

The only men I ever met who made me feel uncomfortable when I was a teenage girl traveling all over Europe alone were Muslim men. They saw me in a public square in Paris trying to use a pay phone after dark and came skulking out from every corner. Three or four of them - North African guys. They harassed me in train stations - even followed me from station to station, claiming that the trains to where I was going weren't running any more and I should come home with one of them and get a lift home in the morning.

The only man who ever actually CHASED me and made me feel extremely unsafe was a Muslim man, who tried to pick me up at a movie theatre when I was 14 years old. He must have been at least 40. When I tried to get rid of him he followed me all over the mall (empty, because it was closed), running after me when I started running.

So, I've had BAD experiences with Muslim men. Frightening. Disturbing. I've never had anything like these experiences with Western men, and I have traveled all over the world, mostly alone.

This repression you're talking about being so "protective" of women simply does not seem to work. And in comparison to being chased (god knows what fate I avoided that day), ambushed, and leered at, I will take an appreciative passing glance at my body in a swimsuit any day of the week.

 

[WyattDerp]

Why not to have a look on the men's comments on the video.

Why are you ignoring all the millions of people who are NOT commenting? And why not compare it with a video of smart women saying smart stuff on youtube, and people talking about what they said, and (nearly) none of them saying "show your bewbs!"?

Looking at someone with lust in the eyes of the beholder. You can put ten layers of... sack.. around a person and STILL consider them a sex object, and wether you can understand it or not, for some people it's perfectly possible treat bare naked or even naked people like persons.

 

[FearGod]

You're the only one who is seeing "sex objects" in these videos. The rest of us are seeing people who happen to be wearing bikinis, in a place where it is completely normal to wear bikinis.

Look, I know it's going to sound very strange to you, but the only pervert I've ever run into on a nude beach who was making women feel uncomfortable was a Muslim man. He was sitting off to the side, fully clothed, and ogling at naked women. None of the Western men at this beach were doing anything like that. They were minding their own business, enjoying the sunshine, just like the women.

The only men I ever met who made me feel uncomfortable when I was a teenage girl traveling all over Europe alone were Muslim men. They saw me in a public square in Paris trying to use a pay phone after dark and came skulking out from every corner. Three or four of them - North African guys. They harassed me in train stations - even followed me from station to station, claiming that the trains to where I was going weren't running any more and I should come home with one of them and get a lift home in the morning.

The only man who ever actually CHASED me and made me feel extremely unsafe was a Muslim man, who tried to pick me up at a movie theatre when I was 14 years old. He must have been at least 40. When I tried to get rid of him he followed me all over the mall (empty, because it was closed), running after me when I started running.

So, I've had BAD experiences with Muslim men. Frightening. Disturbing. I've never had anything like these experiences with Western men, and I have traveled all over the world, mostly alone.

This repression you're talking about being so "protective" of women simply does not seem to work. And in comparison to being chased (god knows what fate I avoided that day), ambushed, and leered at, I will take an appreciative passing glance at my body in a swimsuit any day of the week.

Who told you that they were muslims.

Did they tell you we are muslims or they showed you their ID.

i won't make a silly argument with you since you don't want to accept the fact that woman's body is used as sex object all over the world but accusing me that i am the one using it so and all advertisment that using woman as sex object muslims were doing it and you may add that the women themselves were muslims.

You can talk whatever you want,but reality is shining as the light of the sun.

i am sorry and with shame that i had to show you how women are used as sex object whether you want to accept such fact or just close your eyes and no i won't be as rude as you are and say a bad things about the west as i am discussing an issue as a worldwide one and i ain't using it to say west or east which to me is racist and nonsense and my personalities won't allow me to be as rude as you are.

Objectification Of Women

“Objectification of Women”
Phyllis B. Frank
Pictures Never Lie ? Think about the hundreds or thousands pictures of Women that we see, every month and year, in magazines, on TV, in the movies, in advertising. How do these pictures compare with what we see when we look at the real women around us, every day?
In a country where coverage of women's lives and achievements is hardly equal to that of men’s, where pictures of women scientists, writers, and thinkers rarely appear in the popular press, we are awash in photographs of anonymous young women, selected and pictured to sell products, attract attention, and please male viewers.

Reference: Objectification Of Women | NOMAS

http://fall1022.wikispaces.com/file/view/Bud_comp._pic..jpg/177999037/Bud_comp._pic..jpg

 

[Alceste]

Who told you that they were muslims.

Did they tell you we are muslims or they showed you their ID.

The mall pervert was from Pakistan and the perverts in Paris were probably North African. Granted, there was no real way to tell where the beach pervert was from - he was just sitting on a rock in the distance making everybody feel awkward. The ones who talked to me had thick accents, which allowed me to make a pretty good guess where they came from. Yes, I acknowledge that they might not have been particularly religious Muslims, but there's little doubt in my mind what kind of culture spawned them, and if you're going to go around establishing "Islamic states" you're going to have to deal with the fall-out that when people encounter a pervert from one of those states their behavior will reflect on Islam in general.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why are you ignoring all the millions of people who are NOT commenting? And why not compare it with a video of smart women saying smart stuff on youtube, and people talking about what they said, and (nearly) none of them saying "show your bewbs!"?

Looking at someone with lust in the eyes of the beholder. You can put ten layers of... sack.. around a person and STILL consider them a sex object, and wether you can understand it or not, for some people it's perfectly possible treat bare naked or even naked people like persons.

Not too mention that video comment sections are mostly the absolute lowest common denominator in human intelligence and decency.

 

[F0uad]

If you don't know anything, then on what grounds do you point the finger? We don't charge victims with drunkenness and illegal sex activities. Sure we have a nasty problem with character assassination and most rapist never facing any consequences, but my point is you don't hear about the victim being charged, and you certainly don't hear about her significant other being charged with a crime either.
And here is alittle more education on the United Arab Emirates.
Dubai Toughens Up its Rape Laws | Al Bawaba

well thanks for making the point that rape are rare incidents in the UAE now compare that with the West before you point fingers.
I take my facts from statics and not simple allegations like you do.

O and thanks for going way of topic if you want to debate Rape or where it happens to most, i advice you to start a new thread or actually look up the statics.


I think people here are ignorant they like to point fingers even when there own societies are much worse.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

well thanks for making the point that rape are rare incidents in the UAE now compare that with the West before you point fingers.
I take my facts from statics and not simple allegations like you do.

O and thanks for going way of topic if you want to debate Rape or where it happens to most, i advice you to start a new thread or actually look up the statics.


I think people here are ignorant they like to point fingers even when there own societies are much worse.

What do you make of the story of the Tunisian topless female protester who is hearing from conservative Muslims in her country that she ought to receive at best 100 lashes for going topless in protest, and at most stoning to death?

I bring that up because if people like that are in power in a country, who adopt the more conservative elements of the Muslim Brotherhood into that country's laws and mandates, are more willing to punish women for what they consider to be crimes against their interpretation of the Qur'an and Sunnah.

And I take no issue with pointing out the problems in our own current misogynistic and patriarchal culture I currently live in and what I'd like to see change.

 

[FearGod]

The mall pervert was from Pakistan and the perverts in Paris were probably North African. Granted, there was no real way to tell where the beach pervert was from - he was just sitting on a rock in the distance making everybody feel awkward. The ones who talked to me had thick accents, which allowed me to make a pretty good guess where they came from. Yes, I acknowledge that they might not have been particularly religious Muslims, but there's little doubt in my mind what kind of culture spawned them, and if you're going to go around establishing "Islamic states" you're going to have to deal with the fall-out that when people encounter a pervert from one of those states their behavior will reflect on Islam in general.

Assuming that your story is true that the perverts which you had met in your life were all muslims then portraying all muslims to be so is a stupid perception.

i guess you know the word sadism were derived from the most famous sadist in our history Marquis De Sade ,so should we portray all french people to be so and i can show you hundreds of similar examples for awful people every where in our world but i won't be that stupid to evaluate all people to be awful.

 

[Alceste]

Assuming that your story is true that the perverts which you had met in your life were all muslims then portraying all muslims to be so is a stupid perception.

i guess you know the word sadism were derived from the most famous sadist in our history Marquis De Sade ,so should we portray all french people to be so and i can show you hundreds of similar examples for awful people every where in our world but i won't be that stupid to evaluate all people to be awful.

I didn't say all muslims are like those guys. I said the only guys who ever made me feel unsafe were all from Muslim countries. Never guys from western countries. When I went to Morocco I tagged along with three strapping American football players and we all shared a room. They were perfect gentlemen, and came in very handy at fending off excessively curious Moroccan men. Other female travelers had cautioned me about going there alone, saying men had tried to buy them from their male traveling companions.

Nobody tried to buy me in Morocco - it was the highlight of my trip. But I certainly did not get the impression Muslim men in general feel protective toward women. At least not western women.

Your slobbering posts of women in bathing suits are more representative of the general impression I got.

 

[Riverwolf]

Who told you that they were muslims.

Did they tell you we are muslims or they showed you their ID.

i won't make a silly argument with you since you don't want to accept the fact that woman's body is used as sex object all over the world but accusing me that i am the one using it so and all advertisment that using woman as sex object muslims were doing it and you may add that the women themselves were muslims.

You can talk whatever you want,but reality is shining as the light of the sun.

i am sorry and with shame that i had to show you how women are used as sex object whether you want to accept such fact or just close your eyes and no i won't be as rude as you are and say a bad things about the west as i am discussing an issue as a worldwide one and i ain't using it to say west or east which to me is racist and nonsense and my personalities won't allow me to be as rude as you are.

Objectification Of Women

“Objectification of Women”
Phyllis B. Frank
Pictures Never Lie ? Think about the hundreds or thousands pictures of Women that we see, every month and year, in magazines, on TV, in the movies, in advertising. How do these pictures compare with what we see when we look at the real women around us, every day?
In a country where coverage of women's lives and achievements is hardly equal to that of men’s, where pictures of women scientists, writers, and thinkers rarely appear in the popular press, we are awash in photographs of anonymous young women, selected and pictured to sell products, attract attention, and please male viewers.

Reference: Objectification Of Women | NOMAS

http://fall1022.wikispaces.com/file/view/Bud_comp._pic..jpg/177999037/Bud_comp._pic..jpg

I feel the need to point something out: sex, just like food, is a basic need that has a satiation point. When sexual desires are not met, we tend to go nutso. When they are reasonably met, it becomes no big deal.

Western culture has displays of sexuality all over, and so people become somewhat desensitized to it. The more you see naked breasts on women other than your girlfriend/wife, the less interesting they are in general.

Men who frequent beaches may enjoy seeing women in bikinis, but it's not necessarily to the point where they will consider said women to be nothing more than objects of desire, anymore than those women who enjoy seeing topless men at the beach are objectifying them. More often, they have their own agendas for going to the beach anyway, and so have other things to focus on.

The sexual drive is only uncontrollable if it's repressed. I don't trust the statistics you gave when they apply to third-world countries, but I do trust they accurately represent the number of reported rapes in Western cultures. Notice how the number of reported rapes in the United States, a country that can't decide if it wants to be sexually repressive or expressive, has ~80,000 more reported rapes than France, a country famous for being open about sexuality.

I'd say that's quite telling.

 

[Alceste]

I feel the need to point something out: sex, just like food, is a basic need that has a satiation point. When sexual desires are not met, we tend to go nutso. When they are reasonably met, it becomes no big deal.

Western culture has displays of sexuality all over, and so people become somewhat desensitized to it. The more you see naked breasts on women other than your girlfriend/wife, the less interesting they are in general.

Men who frequent beaches may enjoy seeing women in bikinis, but it's not necessarily to the point where they will consider said women to be nothing more than objects of desire, anymore than those women who enjoy seeing topless men at the beach are objectifying them. More often, they have their own agendas for going to the beach anyway, and so have other things to focus on.

The sexual drive is only uncontrollable if it's repressed. I don't trust the statistics you gave when they apply to third-world countries, but I do trust they accurately represent the number of reported rapes in Western cultures. Notice how the number of reported rapes in the United States, a country that can't decide if it wants to be sexually repressive or expressive, has ~80,000 more reported rapes than France, a country famous for being open about sexuality.

I'd say that's quite telling.

Canada, too. You could spit across the border from most Canadian cities, but we're not nearly as rapey. We're also famously relaxed about our sexuality, and much less religious.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I didn't say all muslims are like those guys. I said the only guys who ever made me feel unsafe were all from Muslim countries. Never guys from western countries. When I went to Morocco I tagged along with three strapping American football players and we all shared a room. They were perfect gentlemen, and came in very handy at fending off excessively curious Moroccan men. Other female travelers had cautioned me about going there alone, saying men had tried to buy them from their male traveling companions.

Nobody tried to buy me in Morocco - it was the highlight of my trip. But I certainly did not get the impression Muslim men in general feel protective toward women. At least not western women.

Your slobbering posts of women in bathing suits are more representative of the general impression I got.

My wife's whole family is French; she's the first in her family to be born here - and they used to do a bit of traveling in various North African countries, including Morocco. She has the same type of stories, except they were of offers to buy her when she was 10-12 years old. Now, I don't know if this a Muslim thing, or simply a cultural thing, but it's clearly a normal attitude in many countries in that region. I've yet to encounter a Western female who doesn't have such stories after traveling over there.

 

[Riverwolf]

My wife's whole family is French; she's the first in her family to be born here - and they used to do a bit of traveling in various North African countries, including Morocco. She has the same type of stories, except they were of offers to buy her when she was 10-12 years old. Now, I don't know if this a Muslim thing, or simply a cultural thing, but it's clearly a normal attitude in many countries in that region. I've yet to encounter a Western female who doesn't have such stories after traveling over there.

I'd guess it's a cultural thing, since Islam forbids such treatment of women, as I understand.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'd guess it's a cultural thing, since Islam forbids such treatment of women, as I understand.

It forbids a lot of things that are widespread and regular occurrences, in Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Perhaps it's just not that compelling of a religion for people to change their behaviors.

 

[Breathe]

Probably cultural.

My wife's friend has stories similar, too, when in the Middle East: locals kept asking her grandfather if they could buy her. They ended up buying a bodyguard's services and leaving early.

 

[Alceste]

My wife's whole family is French; she's the first in her family to be born here - and they used to do a bit of traveling in various North African countries, including Morocco. She has the same type of stories, except they were of offers to buy her when she was 10-12 years old. Now, I don't know if this a Muslim thing, or simply a cultural thing, but it's clearly a normal attitude in many countries in that region. I've yet to encounter a Western female who doesn't have such stories after traveling over there.

Gross. Well I'm glad your wife's family didn't sell her.

Isn't it a tragic irony that the harder your society strives for sexual purity, the creepier your society becomes?

 

[Riverwolf]

It forbids a lot of things that are widespread and regular occurrences, in Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Perhaps it's just not that compelling of a religion for people to change their behaviors.

If my understanding of European history is accurate, the same happened when Christianity spread through the North. The people didn't effectively change their behavior.

 

[Alceste]

Probably cultural.

My wife's friend has stories similar, too, when in the Middle East: locals kept asking her grandfather if they could buy her. They ended up buying a bodyguard's services and leaving early.

Hmm. He's talking about north Africa, you're talking about the middle east - what cultural elements do those areas have in common?

 

[Breathe]

Hmm. He's talking about north Africa, you're talking about the middle east - what cultural elements do those areas have in common?

Well, to be fair, it was Egypt, which seems to be both.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Gross. Well I'm glad your wife's family didn't sell her.

Isn't it a tragic irony that the harder your society strives for sexual purity, the creepier your society becomes?

Repressing things really doesn't seem to make them go away. If anything, it makes them disproportinately significant over time.