If.....He wanted to.....
If mankind was to be saved, it was imperative that Jesus do not His own will but that of the Fathers.
Hence, silence..............was His answer.
Blessings, AJ
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
My God Why have you forsaken me
- Thread starter idav
- Start date
If.....He wanted to.....
If mankind was to be saved, it was imperative that Jesus do not His own will but that of the Fathers.
Hence, silence..............was His answer.
Blessings, AJ
Jesus taught about the unforgivable sin at Matthew 12v32.
Those of Hebrews 6 vs4-6 have committed that sin.
2nd Thess. 1v9 connects punishment with everlasting destruction.
That connects to the words of Psalm 92v7 that the wicked will be destroyed.
Annihilated or destroyed forever.
But Not all of mankind will be saved, rescued, delivered...
1st John [1v7] uses the word 'if'.
'If' we are walking in the light.......the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
That is why Matthew could write at Matthew [20v28] that Jesus ransom covers MANY not all.
Those executed by the words from Jesus mouth are not 'saved' but destroyed. -Isaiah 11vs3,4; Rev. 19vs11,15
The saved ones come out of the great tribulation of Rev 7v14.
Those saved ones are the 'sheep' and 'brothers' at the time of Matthew 25vs32,40.
Daviso452
Boy Genius
But that is still assuming that Jesus had that power. How do you know he wasn't just a normal guy who couldn't get away if he tried, because he was just man? I am not saying that Jesus was just a man; but you made the claim he is, so I want you to back it up.
I understand your view point completely.
One question. What humanity as a whole..... lost?
Not just Adam, but the whole human race?
If your answer is yes, then you must take the following verse directly:
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
If the whole is what was lost, what part of the lost whole was not saved?
And does the following verse fit: Joh 18:9 That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.
What was given Him?
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
What part was not included?
Blessings, AJ
waitasec
Veteran Member
like i said, believe what you want so long as it doesn't include me or those that do not adhere to your beliefs...otherwise you will nullify
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Faster running speed. Lower abdominal region protected by flexing bone. No appendix. Better immune response. Ability to flush heart muscle of blockages. Stronger filtering agents, not prone to abrupt shut-down. Regenerative properties. Better temperature range adaption. Better eyesight. Less inclination to remove rational thought in favor of emotional responses. Shorter gestation period, Young able to stand shortly after birth, and run shortly after that. Need I go on?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
What you need, is to focus on the spirit...not the body.
And the topic was...why have you forsaken me....
Apparently answering your digressive questions doesn't help.
Has any of this digression helped you at all?
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
It's done little more than shown me the inferior design of most spirits, as well
Thief
Rogue Theologian
It's done little more than shown me the inferior design of most spirits, as well
A fair statement.
I spend quite a bit of time answering shallow rebuttals and religious rants.
A frubal for you.
It is my belief that God has included you whether you want to believe Him or not.
That is why I don't push..be it as it may.
Blessings, AJ
waitasec
Veteran Member
Thief
Rogue Theologian
How strange....
waitasec
Veteran Member
no it's not.
waitasec
Veteran Member
mark 15:25
25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him. 26 The written notice of the charge against him read: THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left. [28] [a] 29 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, 30 come down from the cross and save yourself! 31 In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! 32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe. Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
The Death of Jesus
33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, Listen, hes calling Elijah.
36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. Now leave him alone. Lets see if Elijah comes to take him down, he said.
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
matthew 27:32
As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. 33 They came to a place called Golgotha (which means the place of the skull). 34 There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35 When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots. 36 And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40 and saying, You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God! 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! Hes the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, I am the Son of God. 44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).[d]
47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, Hes calling Elijah.
48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, Now leave him alone. Lets see if Elijah comes to save him.
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
luke 23:26
As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed! 30 Then
they will say to the mountains, Fall on us!
and to the hills, Cover us!
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?
32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminalsone on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.[c] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, He saved others; let him save himself if he is Gods Messiah, the Chosen One.
36 The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar 37 and said, If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.
38 There was a written notice above him, which read: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: Arent you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. Dont you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.
42 Then he said, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]
43 Jesus answered him, Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
john 19:16
So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. 17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him two othersone on each side and Jesus in the middle.
19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. 21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, Do not write The King of the Jews, but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews.
22 Pilate answered, What I have written, I have written.
23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.
24 Lets not tear it, they said to one another. Lets decide by lot who will get it....
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mothers sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, Woman, here is your son, 27 and to the disciple, Here is your mother. From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, I am thirsty. 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
what time did they begin to crucify jesus?
mark 15:25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him.
matthew 27:45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.
and luke 23:44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon
are in step with one another but not in cahoots with mark.
john
did both criminals heaped insults at jesus
mark 15:32 :yes:
matthew 27:44 :yes:
luke 23:39-41 :no:
john
one one hand, we see in mark and matthew's account, jesus not saying a word..both criminals heap insults
yells "why have you forsaken me?" and dies.
otoh, we got luke's account where jesus tells one of the criminals, Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
mark 15:34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
luke 23:45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
john 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
so why ask god why he was forsaken knowing he will be in paradise?
irreconcilable...
instead in the luke account we have jesus say, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. quite a contrast.
in john jesus has a discourse with his mom that isn't even mentioned in the other 3 gospels. and says...It is finished.
i'm guessing who ever put the NT gospels together needed a better editor...
but yet god's word is infallible, right? :no:
25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him. 26 The written notice of the charge against him read: THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left. [28] [a] 29 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, 30 come down from the cross and save yourself! 31 In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! 32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe. Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
The Death of Jesus
33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, Listen, hes calling Elijah.
36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. Now leave him alone. Lets see if Elijah comes to take him down, he said.
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
matthew 27:32
As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. 33 They came to a place called Golgotha (which means the place of the skull). 34 There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35 When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots. 36 And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40 and saying, You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God! 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! Hes the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, I am the Son of God. 44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).[d]
47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, Hes calling Elijah.
48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, Now leave him alone. Lets see if Elijah comes to save him.
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
luke 23:26
As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed! 30 Then
they will say to the mountains, Fall on us!
and to the hills, Cover us!
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?
32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminalsone on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.[c] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, He saved others; let him save himself if he is Gods Messiah, the Chosen One.
36 The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar 37 and said, If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.
38 There was a written notice above him, which read: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: Arent you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. Dont you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.
42 Then he said, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]
43 Jesus answered him, Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
john 19:16
So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. 17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him two othersone on each side and Jesus in the middle.
19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. 21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, Do not write The King of the Jews, but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews.
22 Pilate answered, What I have written, I have written.
23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.
24 Lets not tear it, they said to one another. Lets decide by lot who will get it....
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mothers sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, Woman, here is your son, 27 and to the disciple, Here is your mother. From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, I am thirsty. 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
what time did they begin to crucify jesus?
mark 15:25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him.
matthew 27:45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.
and luke 23:44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon
are in step with one another but not in cahoots with mark.
john
did both criminals heaped insults at jesus
mark 15:32 :yes:
matthew 27:44 :yes:
luke 23:39-41 :no:
john
one one hand, we see in mark and matthew's account, jesus not saying a word..both criminals heap insults
yells "why have you forsaken me?" and dies.
otoh, we got luke's account where jesus tells one of the criminals, Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
mark 15:34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
luke 23:45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
john 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
so why ask god why he was forsaken knowing he will be in paradise?
irreconcilable...
instead in the luke account we have jesus say, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. quite a contrast.
in john jesus has a discourse with his mom that isn't even mentioned in the other 3 gospels. and says...It is finished.
i'm guessing who ever put the NT gospels together needed a better editor...
but yet god's word is infallible, right? :no:
Thief
Rogue Theologian
mark 15:25
25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him. 26 The written notice of the charge against him read: THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left. [28] [a] 29 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, 30 come down from the cross and save yourself! 31 In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! 32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe. Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
The Death of Jesus
33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, Listen, hes calling Elijah.
36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. Now leave him alone. Lets see if Elijah comes to take him down, he said.
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
matthew 27:32
As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. 33 They came to a place called Golgotha (which means the place of the skull). 34 There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35 When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots. 36 And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40 and saying, You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God! 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! Hes the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, I am the Son of God. 44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).[d]
47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, Hes calling Elijah.
48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, Now leave him alone. Lets see if Elijah comes to save him.
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
luke 23:26
As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed! 30 Then
they will say to the mountains, Fall on us!
and to the hills, Cover us!
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?
32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminalsone on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.[c] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, He saved others; let him save himself if he is Gods Messiah, the Chosen One.
36 The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar 37 and said, If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.
38 There was a written notice above him, which read: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: Arent you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. Dont you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.
42 Then he said, Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]
43 Jesus answered him, Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
john 19:16
So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. 17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him two othersone on each side and Jesus in the middle.
19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. 21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, Do not write The King of the Jews, but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews.
22 Pilate answered, What I have written, I have written.
23 When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.
24 Lets not tear it, they said to one another. Lets decide by lot who will get it....
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mothers sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, Woman, here is your son, 27 and to the disciple, Here is your mother. From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, I am thirsty. 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
what time did they begin to crucify jesus?
mark 15:25 It was nine in the morning when they crucified him.
matthew 27:45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.
and luke 23:44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon
are in step with one another but not in cahoots with mark.
john
did both criminals heaped insults at jesus
mark 15:32 :yes:
matthew 27:44 :yes:
luke 23:39-41 :no:
john
one one hand, we see in mark and matthew's account, jesus not saying a word..both criminals heap insults
yells "why have you forsaken me?" and dies.
otoh, we got luke's account where jesus tells one of the criminals, Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.
mark 15:34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani? (which means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?).
luke 23:45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
john 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, It is finished. With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
so why ask god why he was forsaken knowing he will be in paradise?
irreconcilable...
instead in the luke account we have jesus say, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. quite a contrast.
in john jesus has a discourse with his mom that isn't even mentioned in the other 3 gospels. and says...It is finished.
i'm guessing who ever put the NT gospels together needed a better editor...
but yet god's word is infallible, right? :no:
So you did all this reading and typing...
and the result was to hurl insult to the composition of the new testament and dismiss it.
No wonder you post as you do.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i think you should ask yourself why you took it as an insult...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Incorrect assumption on your part.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Still assuming to much.
That you insult God....scripture...whatever....
doesn't mean I feel anything about it.
All that reading....and the topic title still eludes you.