nnmartin
Well-Known Member
So are you saying then that any person from the UK who is looking for work can just pop over to Estonia, Bulgaria or Poland and find a nice paying job?
No, of course not - it's a one way street only!
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No more immigrants please!
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So are you saying then that any person from the UK who is looking for work can just pop over to Estonia, Bulgaria or Poland and find a nice paying job?
No, of course not - it's a one way street only!
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I like this.
Except that it isn't a one way street. EU citizens can live and work in any other EU contry.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I've never stepped foot in Europe and even I know that is not true.
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
it's a one way street because the jobs don't exist in Eastern Europe , which is why the immigrants move to UK, France etc.. in the first place.
OK, perhaps I could move to a new EU country and make a living by cleaning the dishes somewhere for $1/hour - hardly the same thing.
A one way street as far as wages are concerned.
Anyway this is just basic capitalist theory - to keep the wages low and retain profits one of the easiest things a system can do is increase the labour supply.
Why are you some of you trying to deny this?
The underlying reasons may well have something to do with debt, house prices, war, benefit system, price of oil etc.. mere syptoms only.
but it's all really just about making the workers pay for the already rich!
clear as daylight
You either buy into the lying capitalist greed machine of narcissism through ignorance or you join it and become a toad.
There is another way -fight and destroy it!
OK, perhaps I could move to a new EU country and make a living by cleaning the dishes somewhere for $1/hour - hardly the same thing.
A one way street as far as wages are concerned.
Anyway this is just basic capitalist theory - to keep the wages low and retain profits one of the easiest things a system can do is increase the labour supply.
Why are you some of you trying to deny this?
The underlying reasons may well have something to do with debt, house prices, war, benefit system, price of oil etc.. mere syptoms only.
but it's all really just about making the workers pay for the already rich!
clear as daylight
You either buy into the lying capitalist greed machine of narcissism through ignorance or you join it and become a toad.
There is another way -fight and destroy it!
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-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
It certainly is. Still, our country really should severly limit the amount of skilled labor allowed to immigrate here from abroad. American don't need any more competition for finding work. If people want to come here and flip burgers at McDonalds, stock shelves at Walmart, or mow lawns I say more power to them.
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Mcshane22
Member
Much agreed, When I was laid off from an executive position of a well known big box store. I still had my mortgage and bills. I found viable employment at a temp agency. I had to work twice as much as I did at the last job. I have two Bachelors degrees and just came from a prestigious position. I did not let my pride keep me from fufuliing my responsibilities to pay my debts. At this temp agency I found myself among many immigrants building and painting, mowing lawns. When I would drive back home from a hard days work, I would pass by the unemployment office where I saw no immigrants but American citizens coming in and out.
Take from my experience what you will as I feel that too many of our trade jobs are being outsourced.
That was the case, though you may want to know that record numbers of Eastern Europeans are leaving the UK in fact more leave than come (I think this is true for 09 and 10 not sure about 11 though). Don't people always immigrate because they want a better life though?
Except that many of them are highly qualified and highly skilled professionals.
You seem to think that it is easy to just increase the labour supply for a lot of jobs. You can only increase the labour pool in the way you mention in unskilled jobs I know in the field I will be working in there is a massive shortage, still, of skilled people.
Or you can realise what a load of crap you are on about.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Europe is a big place...
If you have the right skills there are plenty of Jobs. even now.
I worked in Spain in the late 50's under Franco, when you had to prove that there was not a Spaniard who could do your job. And qualify for a residents visa.
If you want something enough and are prepared to work for it, almost anything is possible.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Hey I'm an immigrant in the UK! Believe me though, I did it because I love my husband loads. I can't get a job and we live in the middle of nowhere, only 4 buses come by. >_> I don't hate it here but it seems like it's more selective. I couldn't even get part time job at a video game store... And I'm a female... That plays loads of games! WTH? I thought they'd be all over me, lol.
If I could, I would convince him to move to Canada, where I'm from. There's still TONS of space there!
If I could, I would convince him to move to Canada, where I'm from. There's still TONS of space there!
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
It's crowded there for sure.
Now, it was hard enough for a lot of people getting a job 10 years ago - before they opened the floodgates.
Of course they always blame this on the poor - make them out to be lazy, stupid or benefit cheats (usually all three).
Ok, some may be like this but most people actually want a job , even if it's menial - now it's impossible to find.
The unskilled are now umemployed and the skilled are either unemployed as well or doing the same job for a quarter of the wage.
Who benefits?
Answer: The rich homeowners, business owners, bankers, stockbrokers , conservative leeches and those with inherited wealth - to name just a few.
The worker pays to keep these parasites living within their deluded sense of entitlement and grandeur!
Bring back Arthur Scargill I reckon.
Now, it was hard enough for a lot of people getting a job 10 years ago - before they opened the floodgates.
Of course they always blame this on the poor - make them out to be lazy, stupid or benefit cheats (usually all three).
Ok, some may be like this but most people actually want a job , even if it's menial - now it's impossible to find.
The unskilled are now umemployed and the skilled are either unemployed as well or doing the same job for a quarter of the wage.
Who benefits?
Answer: The rich homeowners, business owners, bankers, stockbrokers , conservative leeches and those with inherited wealth - to name just a few.
The worker pays to keep these parasites living within their deluded sense of entitlement and grandeur!
Bring back Arthur Scargill I reckon.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Because that is called exploitation, and is not basic capitalist theory. Why should we settle for less, with many employees not even being paid enough to make ends meat; when those at the top are getting more money than what hundreds, even thousands, of households have combined because they refuse to pay livable wages? It would actually save the tax payers money if companies were to pay wages that didn't require people to seek welfare to survive. I've had a job that paid more than enough for two people to live off of, but when you add a kid or two the wages will move you from a modest but sustainable living to poverty.
I don't see why people are hypocritically against immigrants when the whites ourselves are illegal immigrants of this land, and we were worse... we killed and raped the people that originally owned this land
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
This is and has been for the last 4 years a democracy so, if you say that you are framing yourself