Pat Robertson says Haiti under a Curse

[tumbleweed41]

What you you call EVOLUTION? Fact?:sarcastic

Yes, backed by a Theory of Evolution that explains how evolution works resulting from testable and verified hypotheses.


But that is off topic. There are many Evolution threads you can go to to argue your stance.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/evolution-vs-creationism/

Voodoo never helped them, but GOD has certainly helped me, my family, and many of those I love. But I dare say more bad times will come.

I am sure there are many Haitians who would attribute healings and supposed miracles to Voodoo, just as you do for yourself and your family.

I've read Job.

As have I. Whats your point?

 

[LittleNipper]

Way to judge!

Did you stop to think that perhaps their religion is as valid as yours?

And when you were studying Math as a kid, did you believe ever come up with a mistaken answer? If all answers were correct, who fail at test? It is possible to consider various beliefs, but then one may eventually may find the right answer.

Voodoo isn't it. It placed the talents of men in the lime light. And what need is there of a SAVIOR, where one supposes he has magic powers to solve all ones worries.

 

[Myers]

And when you were studying Math as a kid, did you believe ever come up with a mistaken answer? If all answers were correct, who fail at test? It is possible to consider various beliefs, but then one may eventually may find the right answer.

Voodoo isn't it. It placed the talents of men in the lime light. And what need is there of a SAVIOR, where one supposes he has magic powers to solve all ones worries.

And it's never crossed your mind that your math is wrong?

 

[LittleNipper]

Yes, backed by a Theory of Evolution that explains how evolution works resulting from testable and verified hypotheses.


But that is off topic. There are many Evolution threads you can go to to argue your stance.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/evolution-vs-creationism/


I am sure there are many Haitians who would attribute healings and supposed miracles to Voodoo, just as you do for yourself and your family.

As have I. Whats your point?

So scientists have been able to transform animals from one species into another at whim---if they imagine nature did such without a mind?
And when Christians show up to feed, house and clothe them, they might have second thoughts. The book of Job tells me that into every life come trials and tribulations ------- even to very nice people. So be forewarned!

 

[Autodidact]

Never mind.

 

[Autodidact]

What you you call EVOLUTION? Fact?:sarcastic

Voodoo never helped them, but GOD has certainly helped me, my family, and many of those I love.

Are you sure? Have you asked them? I'm guessing they would tell you that voudou has helped them very much.

Aren't you the same person who said that letting a child die was God's way of helping that child? And that you have no way to tell the difference between God helping and not helping? And that when God says "No," that counts as an answered prayer?

So when you say that God helps you, you're including everything from granting your prayer to killing you, including completely ignoring you, correct?

 

[Autodidact]

And when you were studying Math as a kid, did you believe ever come up with a mistaken answer? If all answers were correct, who fail at test? It is possible to consider various beliefs, but then one may eventually may find the right answer.

How do you tell?

Voodoo isn't it. It placed the talents of men in the lime light. And what need is there of a SAVIOR, where one supposes he has magic powers to solve all ones worries.

None. There is no need of a savior.

 

[sojourner]

And when you were studying Math as a kid, did you believe ever come up with a mistaken answer? If all answers were correct, who fail at test? It is possible to consider various beliefs, but then one may eventually may find the right answer.

Voodoo isn't it. It placed the talents of men in the lime light. And what need is there of a SAVIOR, where one supposes he has magic powers to solve all ones worries.

This isn't about "right" or "wrong" belief. Is there a "wrong" way to get to New York from San Francisco? There may be an element of "better" or "good for me," but that's a very subjective measurement upon which to pin such judgment. In the end, I agree with Rob't. A. Heinlein, who said in "Time Enough for Love": "God divided himself into a myriad parts, that he might have friends. This may not be true, but it is no sillier than any other theology."

 

[Autodidact]

What do you think of this experiment, NittleNipper:
Take 100 devout christians, and 100 devout voudouists. Have the Christians pray to their God to cure a sick person. Have the voudouists do voudou for the same thing. Heck, while we're at it, let's have 100 atheists sit around and party. Do you think there will be any statistically significant difference in the result?

 

[LittleNipper]

And it's never crossed your mind that your math is wrong?

I tend to imagine chicken bones have no power ----- they obviously, did nothing to save the chicken...

 

[Myers]

What do you think of this experiment, NittleNipper:
Take 100 devout christians, and 100 devout voudouists. Have the Christians pray to their God to cure a sick person. Have the voudouists do voudou for the same thing. Heck, while we're at it, let's have 100 atheists sit around and party. Do you think there will be any statistically significant difference in the result?

I think the voudouists might have a better chance. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there medicine in some forms of voudou rituals?

 

[Autodidact]

I tend to imagine chicken bones have no power ----- they obviously, did nothing to save the chicken...

Millions of voudou worshippers give testimony of the power of voudou. Who are you to doubt them? They can testify of the good it has done them and their families. Voudou always works; the deities always respond. Sometimes their response is "No." If the cure fails, it's because it's part of the deities' plan for that person, who shall dwell in eternal peace.

 

[LittleNipper]

What do you think of this experiment, NittleNipper:
Take 100 devout christians, and 100 devout voudouists. Have the Christians pray to their God to cure a sick person. Have the voudouists do voudou for the same thing. Heck, while we're at it, let's have 100 atheists sit around and party. Do you think there will be any statistically significant difference in the result?

Why should Christians be the ones to sit praying, when GOD assisted Christians to develope modern medicine... We can certainly pray for guidance.

 

[LittleNipper]

Millions of voudou worshippers give testimony of the power of voudou. Who are you to doubt them? They can testify of the good it has done them and their families. Voudou always works; the deities always respond. Sometimes their response is "No." If the cure fails, it's because it's part of the deities' plan for that person, who shall dwell in eternal peace.

I don't live in squalor and the hope of going to the United States. And yes, I do feel that both Great Britian and the United States have alot to thank GOD for.

 

[challupa]

What you you call EVOLUTION? Fact?:sarcastic

Voodoo never helped them, but GOD has certainly helped me, my family, and many of those I love. But I dare say more bad times will come. I've read Job.

What does evolution have to do with this post?

How do you know that voodoo never helped them?

More bad times will come to whom? You or the Haitians? Job was about a man of god whom god let the devil play with. What's your point bringing up the story of Job?

I asked you a question, which you neatly ignored. Why do you think you have more right to worship the way you have chosen to worship? Why do Haitians not have an equal right to worship the way they want? It means just as much to them and yours does to you, after all.

 

[Autodidact]

Why should Christians be the ones to sit praying, when GOD assisted Christians to develope modern medicine... We can certainly pray for guidance.

Pardon? Are you seriously asserting with a straight face that modern medicine is in any way, shape or form Christian? I don't know whether I can find words for how wrong that is. You have now made a laughing-stock of yourself.

So you don't think there would be any difference in the result then? Aren't you the person who asserted that answered prayers was evidence of the existence of your God? But now you don't think this evidence is any stronger than for voudou deities or no deity at all? Interesting.

Does prayer work or not?

 

[Autodidact]

I don't live in squalor and the hope of going to the United States. And yes, I do feel that both Great Britian and the United States have alot to thank GOD for.

What on earth are you jabbering on about? What question did you imagine you were answering?

Voudou works--just ask a voudouist. Are you asserting that it doesn't?

Are you trying to say that wealth is somehow evidence of a given religion being correct? Or what is your point?

 

[challupa]

And when you were studying Math as a kid, did you believe ever come up with a mistaken answer? If all answers were correct, who fail at test? It is possible to consider various beliefs, but then one may eventually may find the right answer.

Voodoo isn't it. It placed the talents of men in the lime light. And what need is there of a SAVIOR, where one supposes he has magic powers to solve all ones worries.

Math is not an idea. Religion is.

How do you know voodoo isn't it? You would also never need a Savior if someone hadn't brainwashed you into believing you were "fallen". Only then did you need to be saved and a Savior necessary. You've been manipulated by those who wanted to control the population. What better way, than telling you that you are a sinner and then offering the solution of how you can be saved.

 

[challupa]

So scientists have been able to transform animals from one species into another at whim---if they imagine nature did such without a mind?
And when Christians show up to feed, house and clothe them, they might have second thoughts. The book of Job tells me that into every life come trials and tribulations ------- even to very nice people. So be forewarned!

So the Haitians which are very nice people just had some natural trials and tribulations come into their lives then? It's wasn't the wrath of god?

 

[challupa]

I don't live in squalor and the hope of going to the United States. And yes, I do feel that both Great Britian and the United States have alot to thank GOD for.

Just Great Britian and the US? What about the other countries in the world. Didn't god make all the countries and all the people in the countries?