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Pro Life or Pro Choice?

Are you a Pro Life or Pro Choice?

  • Pro Life

    Votes: 17 21.0%
  • Pro Choice

    Votes: 49 60.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 18.5%

  • Total voters
    81

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It was the "don't give a rip" part. I can't deny there are plenty of "holier than thou" types out there including this situation. Some people only see in black and white, and don't see "shades of gray". We all have to look at the whole situation and not just part of it.

Yes, and in this case, when we look at the whole situation, we see that the anti-choice position usually comes as a package deal with things like opposition to birth control, opposition to premarital sex, opposition to divorce, stifling gender roles for women, and bans on female clergy/ministers.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
OK. just as summation here...

"Pro-choice" prevails by nearly three to one.

aka, 3 to 1.

Women are invited to contribute to this debate, and men can just ****.

Men...make your case, speak your peace, then **** and listen.

Men, you DO NOT rule women, tell them what to do, or how, EVER.

Understand?

Unless of course you allow women to dictate when you are entitled under mandate of law that "boner pills" are covered by heath care laws, and contraception methods can be barred from coverage and control of women. Again, **** and listen before you speak aloud.

S t f u (****) = shut the F*** up and listen.
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
OK. just as summation here...

"Pro-choice" prevails by nearly three to one.

aka, 3 to 1.

Women are invited to contribute to this debate, and men can just ****.

Men...make your case, speak your peace, then **** and listen.

Men, you DO NOT rule women, tell them what to do, or how, EVER.

Understand?

Unless of course you allow women to dictate when you are entitled under mandate of law that "boner pills" are covered by heath care laws, and contraception methods can be barred from coverage and control of women. Again, **** and listen before you speak aloud.

S t f u (****) = shut the F*** up and listen.

go make me a sammich, n I want dat extra provolone ya hear?
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
I know, you can't help yourself.

Whether I pull the trigger to kill someone or allow for the option for someone else to pull the trigger. Forgive me if I don't see these people as pro-life. Evil triumphs when good people do and say nothing.

You know, if I was to have the same monocrhrome outlook on life as you do, would suggest that you're Anti-woman. Yeah, that's what it is. You're Anti-Woman. You don’t like them. You don't believe they should have rights or choices. You believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

You sound like a conservative. Conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re buggered.

But you're not. I don't think. You're a Catholic. So you're probably going to try and pull the Sanctity of Life card on me. Right, okay. What is the Sanctity of Life? Who says life is Sacred? god? If you read history, you realize that god is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other because god told them to. The sword of god, the blood of the land, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead people. Millions of people killed all because they gave the wrong answer to the god question. “You believe in God?” “No.” *Boom*. Dead. “You believe in God?” “Yes.” “You believe in my God? “No.” *Boom*. Dead. “My god has a bigger wrath than your god!” Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Hurrah for sexism...

And kudos to misogyny.

If men can't tell women what to do...then all men are doomed!

Let's instead simplify matters.

Empower the "gummint" to MANDATE any pregnant woman (under severe penalty of law), that they MUST carry to term (and delivery) any and all unwanted/undesired pregnancies. ALL. NO exceptions. AS FEDERAL MANDATE. ALL.

And EVERY "pro-life" advocate must then adopt "EVERY" unwanted child as their own...and I mean ALL of them. Crack/Meth-babies, genetically/medically deformed babies that have days to live...ALL of them. ALL!

NO choice or say in the matter. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN TELL YOU at any moment how many babies you MUST adopt as your own, at ANY time. That seems fair and reasonable, right? Even if that may be six, seven, eight, or more.

Again...ALL!

ALL.

Even if you are poor, even utterly destitute, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT can TELL you what you can DO! ALWAYS, and FOREVER! Long past any days of your inevitable death. FOREVER!

That's what we want after all, is it not?

Time to punish all those married "sluts" that have untimely/unfortunate undesired pregnancies...because, you know, sex is evil and need be punished, ALWAYS!

Doh.
 

samosasauce

Active Member
I'm for the life of the mother, it all should be her choice and no one else's. If you aren't going to provide contraceptives at leadt let abortion take place.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Should there also be options for "both" or "neither"?

I chose "other".

I believe both are important, but life comes first. Life is so precious and I believe should not be left completely under the mercy of choice.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Indeed. You need a male to make a baby so they have a stake in this argument, too. Everyone's allowed to have an opinion.

An opinion? Yep. A stake? Sure.

No argument. None. NO ONE in the good ole US of A ever questions a Constitutional right of free speech. Once that opinion is expressed however, you could easily be seen as wrong.

A overriding say?

Nope.

NEVER.

Period.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
I'm pro-choice but of course, I wish that abortions would be kept to a minimum, not used instead of a contraceptive and be done ASAP, not late term because to me, that grey area is a little too dark for my liking. These are only my personal feelings on this though and from reading some information about how early a foetus can live outside the womb, etc.

My issues with pro-life stance is that it's too black and white. I understand some of their points, but I can't agree on a blanket statement at all. Even if the mother is not in a life threatening situation, even if it's not rape... Why force someone through with something they don't want and will be stuck with the consequences for the rest of their lives? Not everyone who gets pregnant is irresponsible. It's cruel to give an ultimatum of be prepared to be a mother or never have sex. Unless you're asexual it's near impossible to do, especially if you're in a relationship!

I understand very well the need to have a choice in the matter. I don't think everyone is fit to be a parent. I know I'm not. I can barely take care of myself, no way I can take care of a baby. That's why I take contraceptives but if it was to fail, then I'd probably have an abortion as soon as I find out I'm pregnant. I'm glad I have a say, that I'm not forced to do something that would put me in a lot of emotional pain for something I have no control over... A lifetime of celibacy just isn't possible for me.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The pro life / choice equation is just one small aspect of Life and death.

I hate war but can not doubt the need for a country to defend itself.
I am against euthanasia, but not against assisted suicide in all circumstances.
I am against the death penalty because it is irreversible and many mistakes are made.
I would prefer to give a woman the power of choice over having a child, rather than ending the process once started. As yet this is not fully achievable in practice.

I do not see this a just a religious question but one that civil society and law must face up to, and take responsibility for. Essentially, society must allow the maximum freedom of choice over life and fertility. And prevent the imposition of life and death decisions on individuals.
Enforced life is as bad as inforced death.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Just a reminder...

Pregnancy is not an "inconvenience." A stomach virus is an inconvenience. Having to wait to buy milk and bread is an inconvenience.

A pregnancy is 9 months.

Oh, and labor and birth? Anyone wish to tell a woman who is in active labor that what she's experiencing is an "inconvenience"?
 
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