Pro Life or Pro Choice?

[Mycroft]

Anyone who is pro-life should watch these documentaries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90b1MBwnEHM

Terry Pratchett - Choosing to Die - Dailymotion video

The second one was very moving near the end.

 

[Mycroft]

Are you a Pro Life or Pro Choice?

Pro-choice. Particularly in the area of Euthenasia. People can harp on about the sanctity of life forever and a day, but whata bout the dignity of life?

 

[McBell]

Are you a Pro Life or Pro Choice?

Please define your terms.

 

[Son of The Gods]

I think I understand but to what system or to whom are you referring?

Referring to many religious-backed groups I've had the displeasure of meeting.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Referring to many religious-backed groups I've had the displeasure of meeting.

What about Focus on the Family? They seem pro life. Are they only pro birth?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Pro Choice.

If you are not the woman involved, nor her doctor involved, stay out of her uterus. I support the fetal viability limit set as constitutional by the Roe v Wade decision.

Making abortions illegal does not reduce the number of abortions, folks. It only reduces the number of safe abortion procedures. All states or countries do when making abortions illegal is forcing women to seek out unsafe procedures and unlicensed practitioners that put their own lives and health at risk.

What actually does reduce the number of chemically-induced and surgical abortions is an educated population that has easy and safe access to full family planning services, comprehensive sex education, and full access to all forms of contraception.

This is why I see the pro choice position as far and away the most ethical position when faced with unwanted and unplanned pregnancies.

Oh, and one more thing, anyone who says that pregnancy is an "inconvenience" ought to experiment with the feeling by inserting a bowling ball in their colon, holding it there for 3 months, and then passing it out of their sphincter and try to say it was nothing more than an "inconvenience."

At the very least.

 

[ChristineES]

Pro-Choice. So many so call "pro-life" supporters are not truly pro-life, they are pro-birth. A vast majority don't give a RIP after the child is born.

That is not true in my experience. I totally disagree.

 

[ChristineES]

The biggest trouble is what the definition of pro-choice is. Although I have considered myself pro-life since even before I became a Christian, some people say I am pro-choice. I would never dream of having an abortion, I wish to God that other women wouldn't use it as a birth control method, I have compassion for women who were raped and get pregnant (it's rare, but it does happen sometimes especially with date rape or if it is rape by a boyfriend,spouse, etc.) or with sexual abuse of little girls. Because of that, some say I am pro-choice, but I truly don't agree with that. Those are very extreme cases.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That is not true in my experience. I totally disagree.

About the "don't give a rip" part, or the "pro-birth" part?

In my experience, many people who oppose legalized abortion often also oppose measures that reduce unwanted pregnancies and, by extension, the occasion for abortion (e.g. birth control, proper sex ed). When someone claims that abortion is murder but supports positions that lead to more abortion, then they're hypocritical at best. At worst, it can indicate that they're flat-out lying about their true motivation.

When American anti-choice conservatives start suggesting Canadian-style parental leave (a full year off with your job waiting for you when you return) as an anti-abortion measure, I might start believing that they're actually "pro-life". Right now, though, it seems like their positions on not just abortion but other issues as well are more about punishing women for having sex than they are about saving fetuses... which is why I call them "anti-choice", not "pro-life" or even "anti-abortion".

 

[Phil25]

Pro-choice. Particularly in the area of Euthenasia. People can harp on about the sanctity of life forever and a day, but whata bout the dignity of life?

Invalid argument. I would never return fire at a gunman using a child as a shield. Even if he was firing at me. Why? I have a moral responsibility to protect innocent life whether or not that's convenient for me.

If I did fire back and kill the child in the pursuit of killing the gunman, then that would mean I cared more about my own life than the life of a child. And I would be a child-murderer.

So do you think killing unborn children is not murder?

 

[Quiddity]

Pro-Life........It's in my bones.

Anti-life crowd will be quick to note that it's due to people being more educated about other options, but so far back as I can remember, contraceptives were rather easy for most anyone to get. They practically handed them to me in high school and I can't think of a moment in my life where I couldn't get any.

 

[Mycroft]

Anti-life crowd

I wish my brain could be as simplistic as yours and divide everything into black and white like that. Being pro-choice doesn't make you anti-life.

 

[ChristineES]

About the "don't give a rip" part, or the "pro-birth" part?

In my experience, many people who oppose legalized abortion often also oppose measures that reduce unwanted pregnancies and, by extension, the occasion for abortion (e.g. birth control, proper sex ed). When someone claims that abortion is murder but supports positions that lead to more abortion, then they're hypocritical at best. At worst, it can indicate that they're flat-out lying about their true motivation.

When American anti-choice conservatives start suggesting Canadian-style parental leave (a full year off with your job waiting for you when you return) as an anti-abortion measure, I might start believing that they're actually "pro-life". Right now, though, it seems like their positions on not just abortion but other issues as well are more about punishing women for having sex than they are about saving fetuses... which is why I call them "anti-choice", not "pro-life" or even "anti-abortion".

It was the "don't give a rip" part. I can't deny there are plenty of "holier than thou" types out there including this situation. Some people only see in black and white, and don't see "shades of gray". We all have to look at the whole situation and not just part of it.

 

[Quiddity]

I wish my brain could be as simplistic as yours and divide everything into black and white like that. Being pro-choice doesn't make you anti-life.

I know, you can't help yourself.

Whether I pull the trigger to kill someone or allow for the option for someone else to pull the trigger. Forgive me if I don't see these people as pro-life. Evil triumphs when good people do and say nothing.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

contraceptives were rather easy for most anyone to get. They practically handed them to me in high school and I can't think of a moment in my life where I couldn't get any.

Contraceptives are easy to get, and a must have for responsible womens that conciously don't want a child. I think we agree on that.

However they are not infaillible, even if taken properly, there is a slight tiny microscopic chance that they don't work.

Nothing against your stance, just to clarify that I agree with your view on education about contraception as a must to avoid unwanted pregnancies, but even if most are reliable, there is still a chance to get pregnant.

 

[Phil25]

I don't find that simplistic at all. If I'm willing to murder children who pose no threat to me, what is my own life worth? Not much, in my estimation.

Does the life of a Unborn Child matter to you?

 

[ChristineES]

There is no birth control that is 100% and we all know that. There is always a chance if you engage in sexual relations (I mean sex between a man and woman) and you and your partner are not infertile, that you could very well get pregnant no matter if you use birth control of some kind. I am not against birth control at all, but I just can't accept abortion used as a method of birth control.

 

[Mycroft]

I know, you can't help yourself.

Whether I pull the trigger to kill someone or allow for the option for someone else to pull the trigger. Forgive me if I don't see these people as pro-life. Evil triumphs when good people do and say nothing.

Do you think pro-life/choice is exclusively about abortion?

 

[Quiddity]

Contraceptives are easy to get, and a must have for responsible womens that conciously don't want a child. I think we agree on that.

However they are not infaillible, even if taken properly, there is a slight tiny microscopic chance that they don't work.

Nothing against your stance, just to clarify that I agree with your view on education about contraception as a must to avoid unwanted pregnancies, but even if most are reliable, there is still a chance to get pregnant.

My statement wasn't addressing unwanted pregnancies. My point was that education and contraceptives has been around for some time. In Africa for example, they started with contraceptives and noticed it did nothing to reduce AIDS. So they implemented education along with it.........and it helped but still couldn't stop it from growing. Now, Africa employs ABC programs which essentially tells them to restrain themselves, but if you have to...use a condom. What is rarely mentioned is that this was specifically adopted after seeing the success that many of the abstinent programs had. But yet, contraceptives are given all the credit.

 

[Quiddity]

Do you think pro-life/choice is exclusively about abortion?

*scanning my simple brain*

No, of course not, but it holds supremacy over all other matters. Why? Simple, because it involves life or death. That isn't to say all other issues should be ignored.