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PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

stvdv

Veteran Member
Here is a study that I made in 10 seconds. Morocco percentage population which is muslim 1990= 99.0%.... Morocco percentage population which is muslim 2010= 99.9%. Very little change there isnt it. Actually it seems more of the population has adapted to the culture of the country. It's not just islam or morocco though.
Here Table: Muslim Population by Country
You can see every country there. Most of the changes is by migration and nothing else
Maybe that is a problem these days. Sages in the past meditated for 100 years to get their answers. Nowadays people expect answers by "10 seconds google study"
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Which is very rare, I knew someone who was beaten by his parents in his teens for not wanting to go to church, and I know other teenagers who have been kicked out of their house for wanting to chose their own religion. It is so sad but no one cares.

Probably happens more in good Christian America more than in Europe. Religion in no longer god here.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Why did he create all those deceases and why did he create the arrogant human? Why didnt he make him nice?
Why do teachers create difficult exams for which some won't pass?

You ask a very BIG question "prove me wrong ... all religions are fake"

I suggest a much better question "Solve the question `Who Am I` before solving other questions"
 
Maybe that is a problem these days. Sages in the past meditated for 100 years to get their answers. Nowadays people expect answers by "10 seconds google study"
Ye there is something called the internet and if you paid attention I have linked where I got my information from. I also like to use a bit of figure of speech called understatement, sorry if you did not get it. Let me link you again
Table: Muslim Population by Country
 
Why do teachers create difficult exams for which some won't pass?

You ask a very BIG question "prove me wrong ... all religions are fake"

I suggest a much better question "Solve the question `Who Am I` before solving other questions"
But in most religions, the teacher is someone who loves his student and wants to give him a free pass. Someone literally (dont know if it was you) just said that their god loves us and want us to have a perfect life.
 
1: I am not a Christian and I do not believe in Hell, so that problem I have already solved.
2: All people one day will be deceased (dead), that's just how it is on earth. The baby is not born arrogant.
2: So a better question is "why do parents create arrogant children ... and how do they create this arrogance ... do I want to stay arrogant? ... how to undo it"
3: Babies are born nice, so again "why parents mess up big time ... etc. ... how to undo this"

I take full responsibility, so I do not blame God. And here on RF we did not even manage to create a definition of God all agree on. So totally useless to say "God is to blame". Some even say God does not exist, so why blaming such a God, who may not even exist, except in our imagination

But I do agree that life is quite absurd. Born as a perfect baby (in general), the parents, teachers, spouses mess you up completely. And then you can work all life long to fix it.

And I do not blame god. I agree as you said later that the teacher must make a difficult exam, otherwise we will exploit life and it will have no meaning, we must work hard to achieve success and happiness. However, most religions say that their god wants us to have a perfect life, am I wrong?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Well, UFO sightings are becoming more and more regular. In 2017 and 2018 there were clouds shaped just like UFOs. Google "Cloud UFO Moscow" and "Cloud UFO Sweden".

But you'll have to read "Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers by Rael" yourself. It is free and anonymous to download from www.rael.org .

I am very familiar with the various beliefs in Intelligent Design from both the religious Creationist and the alien conspiracy perspective. The argument for all Intelligent Design hypothesis is that there is no real science behind it and the hypothesis cannot be falsified. As long as the natural evolution can be falsified by science ID fails, because it cannot prove the negative. I am a geologist of more than 50 years and have a strong background in Genetics and evolution. There is one significant problem with ID hypothesis in that there is a strong 'arguing from ignorance' to some up with the claim that 'science cannot at present explain this, therefore . . .'

Again, again, and again . . . despite UFO sightings, which remain unexplained, there is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for aliens nor space craft from outside our solar system.
 

Walterbl

Member
There are hundresds of people who claim to have had divine experiences, contact with spiritual beings, etc. What do you make of it? Do you believe they are all hallucinations and/or lies?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Ye there is something called the internet and if you paid attention I have linked where I got my information from. I also like to use a bit of figure of speech called understatement, sorry if you did not get it. Let me link you again
Table: Muslim Population by Country

Oh thanks for the link reminder. I did not click on it before [I did see it though]. It's a very complete list. Even Holland is on it with 7.8% Muslims already.

But my reply was not about general questions. It was about the major questions in life "Who Am I" .... Goal in life, Self-Realization. That took them 100 years.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
But in most religions, the teacher is someone who loves his student and wants to give him a free pass. Someone literally (dont know if it was you) just said that their god loves us and want us to have a perfect life.
Yes that was what I said. I said "nice and easy life".
I spend 10 years with my guru in India, and He made it very simple (the teachings):
1: "Hurt Never, Help Ever" [4 words is enough, you don't need the whole Bible or Hindu Scriptures]
2: "Be Happy, Others will be Happy, All will be Happy, God will be Happy"

He also said "I am God" .... "And you are also God" ... "Only you don't realize this yet, to realize this is the goal of life"

Maybe a little different from teachings from the Bible, but to me this makes a lot of sense. And so much more easy (at least to remember and to study).
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
And I do not blame god. I agree as you said later that the teacher must make a difficult exam, otherwise we will exploit life and it will have no meaning, we must work hard to achieve success and happiness. However, most religions say that their god wants us to have a perfect life, am I wrong?
Perfect Life is a bit tricky I think.

If you believe that God is perfect and we are children from God, then everything must be perfect (I don't say nice though).
The goal is "Self Realization". This is what I read and heard. So probably when you are "Self Realized" you have "perfected your life"
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
And I do not blame god. I agree as you said later that the teacher must make a difficult exam, otherwise we will exploit life and it will have no meaning, we must work hard to achieve success and happiness. However, most religions say that their god wants us to have a perfect life, am I wrong?

I don't know what you mean by a perfect life. I'm saying that the one true religion is using some lore and writings to help you live a more fruitful and beneficial life. It does require hard work. I can tell you some ways that you might be able to see for yourself that this is a true religion. Let me know if you're interested.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
But in most religions, the teacher is someone who loves his student and wants to give him a free pass. Someone literally (dont know if it was you) just said that their god loves us and want us to have a perfect life.

Despite the fact that there is no proof or objective determination for God nor the validity of any religion nor belief system like yours. There are legitimate arguments for atheism and agnosticism, especially against ancient religious beliefs and archaic views of God in part due to the influence of ancient mythology.
 
There are hundresds of people who claim to have had divine experiences, contact with spiritual beings, etc. What do you make of it? Do you believe they are all hallucinations and/or lies?
Yes, if all of them are true, then there are hundreds of different gods which are real.
 
Yes that was what I said. I said "nice and easy life".
I spend 10 years with my guru in India, and He made it very simple (the teachings):
1: "Hurt Never, Help Ever" [4 words is enough, you don't need the whole Bible or Hindu Scriptures]
2: "Be Happy, Others will be Happy, All will be Happy, God will be Happy"

He also said "I am God" .... "And you are also God" ... "Only you don't realize this yet, to realize this is the goal of life"

Maybe a little different from teachings from the Bible, but to me this makes a lot of sense. And so much more easy (at least to remember and to study).
So what is the meaning of God?
Does it mean Love?
Does it mean our companion who will help us achieve a perfect spiritual and happy life?
Does it mean the creator of life?

It can mean different things for many people, especially if they are influenced by their religion however for me it means, the creator of life.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true
Hinduism.
Well, we have many views, many philosophies. Each person is free to follow the philosophy which he/she likes or create a new philosophy.
What we have is 'dharma' (Duties and engagement in righteous actions), and each person is supposed to follow it.
We have 200 Gods and Goddesses or perhaps 500, or perhaps 1,000. Male, female or otherwise.
We have neither counted nor cared. Each person is free to worship any God or Goddess or not worship (I am a strong atheist).
We have lived in comparative peace, welcomed all religions of the world. We have not destroyed even a single indigenous religion, however small its numbers it may have, though we are a billion strong now..
 
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Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Here is a study that I made in 10 seconds. Morocco percentage population which is muslim 1990= 99.0%.... Morocco percentage population which is muslim 2010= 99.9%. Very little change there isnt it. Actually it seems more of the population has adapted to the culture of the country. It's not just islam or morocco though.
Here Table: Muslim Population by Country
You can see every country there. Most of the changes is by migration and nothing else

Hello. I would submit that at best your statistics show strong cultural (not necessarily familial) influences in majority Muslim countries.

Peace
 
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