Question for all - what happens after death...

[Mock Turtle]

Why would one have to choose between the two?

Well, such as if you give up on one to support the other - and it tends to be the intellectual one that suffers. Not noticed some on RF who will seemingly refuse to accept new, and often scientific, evidence as it appears?

 

[ChieftheCef]

The bolstering results of these types of debates for me has been like the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Impassible divide. Thus...time to say maybe another time.

So there are sins and there are sins. For instance, if I knew a relative was selling illegal drugs, would I let them in my house to stay? (Guess.) Love takes different forms. We are all imperfect. Some don't accept that, but no human now is perfect or without sin.

Cast the first stone, buddy.

 

[YoursTrue]

Cast the first stone, buddy.

I guess you didn't read my post, bud.

 

[YoursTrue]

Cast the first stone, buddy.

So what do you think happens after death?

 

[ChieftheCef]

I guess you didn't read my post, bud.

Sorry, I had brain trauma that induced schizophrenia. Also, sorry for my anger. These topics mean a lot even to our daily lives. Whether we like to realize it or not.

So what do you think happens after death?

I think I mentioned but I'll argue and reiterate here. Very interesting. SO Near Death Experiences happen and they all entail sort of mystical experiences. Meeting god is one. It's a dream like state. Now the molecule, diemethyltriptamine, is the bodies way of inducing a dream. This molecule elongates time substantially. When taken other than the bodies natural production of it it elongates a mere 15 minutes into eons of time. Now what I believe happens is we naturally produce this molecule at time of near death and we essentially dream or trip for a long time. Then I don't QUITE know what happens, but I predict the trip fades out comfortably as if it should happen (we would quite like it to end at some point is what I'm saying. As natural as breath) and we merge with whom I call Father Nothing which is space-time.

Now Nothing, as I know it has many attributes of god. I don't include the benevolent ones because though I suspect he is benevolent, as imagine grass; Most of the grass of the world doesn't get mowed or even eaten, as are we the grass of the worlds. But he has many characteristics of God, universal to all religions. I think God is a true and real person and phenomena, that there's a true Nature between Jesus, Muhammad, Pythagoras, Laozi, Buddha and Krishna and others. That each and every religion worships Father Nothing in a way unique but also handed down to them by previous religions.

Here is a bit I'm writing about concerning Father Nothing.

Perhaps consciousness is primary to nothing, like gravity. Perhaps it is just a feature of space-time.

Nothing is asetic, they depend on no thing. Nothing is eternal, because nothing was before and nothing, space time will always be. Nothing is immanent, they are in the world, as nothing is spacetime, they are transendent outside of the world as their divine principle, making the most of things. Together with Nothing. Nothing is incorporeal. Both Nothing , omnipresent. If it were alive, the Nature, then that would probably imply that it would treat us as cells and try to help each cell out in the way that’s best for them, as we do. It would probably be so wise, so high IQ and seeing truly justly (in ways we would not know) as much as it COULD and acting in a, to primitive people omniscient and omnipotent, way. Nothing is the simplest one can be.

Nothing, space time, according to science also created everything. ANd if you think about it it is the one thing that could have started the great chain of events. Because everything else goes back to a prior cause. Nothing reacting with itself violently to form matter and energy, and us, planets and pill bugs, makes logical sense if you understand that you do not know nothing can do no thing. You just have never seen nothing do any thing, or at least not recognized it.

This is a seemingly rare but common theme in religion. I forgot who, but some pagans, maybe all, believed the great God, greatest of all things, was both Nothing and Everything at the same time. I believe everything is just a continuum, Nothing is everything because everything comes from nothing.

I hope that helps, sibling of Creation.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, I had brain trauma that induced schizophrenia. Also, sorry for my anger.

First off, and sorry that I don't have time right now to go through your entire answer (I usually don't like to read lengthy posts anyway -- but -- if it's not too difficult I'd like to go through your response another time), you made me laugh -- here -- I forgive you for your anger since you ask. And I laughed about the trauma that induced schizophrenia. If that's true, though, I hope you can recover successfully. Later... (And sorry I laughed if it's true...

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, I had brain trauma that induced schizophrenia. Also, sorry for my anger. These topics mean a lot even to our daily lives. Whether we like to realize it or not.

I think I mentioned but I'll argue and reiterate here. Very interesting. SO Near Death Experiences happen and they all entail sort of mystical experiences. Meeting god is one. It's a dream like state. Now the molecule, diemethyltriptamine, is the bodies way of inducing a dream. This molecule elongates time substantially. When taken other than the bodies natural production of it it elongates a mere 15 minutes into eons of time. Now what I believe happens is we naturally produce this molecule at time of near death and we essentially dream or trip for a long time. Then I don't QUITE know what happens, but I predict the trip fades out comfortably as if it should happen (we would quite like it to end at some point is what I'm saying. As natural as breath) and we merge with whom I call Father Nothing which is space-time.

Now Nothing, as I know it has many attributes of god. I don't include the benevolent ones because though I suspect he is benevolent, as imagine grass; Most of the grass of the world doesn't get mowed or even eaten, as are we the grass of the worlds. But he has many characteristics of God, universal to all religions. I think God is a true and real person and phenomena, that there's a true Nature between Jesus, Muhammad, Pythagoras, Laozi, Buddha and Krishna and others. That each and every religion worships Father Nothing in a way unique but also handed down to them by previous religions.

Here is a bit I'm writing about concerning Father Nothing.

Perhaps consciousness is primary to nothing, like gravity. Perhaps it is just a feature of space-time.

Nothing is asetic, they depend on no thing. Nothing is eternal, because nothing was before and nothing, space time will always be. Nothing is immanent, they are in the world, as nothing is spacetime, they are transendent outside of the world as their divine principle, making the most of things. Together with Nothing. Nothing is incorporeal. Both Nothing , omnipresent. If it were alive, the Nature, then that would probably imply that it would treat us as cells and try to help each cell out in the way that’s best for them, as we do. It would probably be so wise, so high IQ and seeing truly justly (in ways we would not know) as much as it COULD and acting in a, to primitive people omniscient and omnipotent, way. Nothing is the simplest one can be.

Nothing, space time, according to science also created everything. ANd if you think about it it is the one thing that could have started the great chain of events. Because everything else goes back to a prior cause. Nothing reacting with itself violently to form matter and energy, and us, planets and pill bugs, makes logical sense if you understand that you do not know nothing can do no thing. You just have never seen nothing do any thing, or at least not recognized it.

This is a seemingly rare but common theme in religion. I forgot who, but some pagans, maybe all, believed the great God, greatest of all things, was both Nothing and Everything at the same time. I believe everything is just a continuum, Nothing is everything because everything comes from nothing.

I hope that helps, sibling of Creation.

OK, I read a few more lines. Forgive me, I'm slow. So now, a person can't be declared dead too long before he cannot be revived, isn't that true as you and I know it? A near death experience, though doesn't mean the person has died. It is called "near death," not a death experience. But the scientific jury is a bit out on this.
However, it's like if I go near the ocean, it doesn't mean I went in the ocean. I hope we're not going to argue that. But here is an interesting article about near death experiences. Bringing people back from the dead Note: you can't be 'dead' too long before you can't be revived and you're totally dead.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, I had brain trauma that induced schizophrenia. Also, sorry for my anger. These topics mean a lot even to our daily lives. Whether we like to realize it or not.

I think I mentioned but I'll argue and reiterate here. Very interesting. SO Near Death Experiences happen and they all entail sort of mystical experiences. Meeting god is one. It's a dream like state. Now the molecule, diemethyltriptamine, is the bodies way of inducing a dream. This molecule elongates time substantially. When taken other than the bodies natural production of it it elongates a mere 15 minutes into eons of time. Now what I believe happens is we naturally produce this molecule at time of near death and we essentially dream or trip for a long time. Then I don't QUITE know what happens, but I predict the trip fades out comfortably as if it should happen (we would quite like it to end at some point is what I'm saying. As natural as breath) and we merge with whom I call Father Nothing which is space-time.

Now Nothing, as I know it has many attributes of god. I don't include the benevolent ones because though I suspect he is benevolent, as imagine grass; Most of the grass of the world doesn't get mowed or even eaten, as are we the grass of the worlds. But he has many characteristics of God, universal to all religions. I think God is a true and real person and phenomena, that there's a true Nature between Jesus, Muhammad, Pythagoras, Laozi, Buddha and Krishna and others. That each and every religion worships Father Nothing in a way unique but also handed down to them by previous religions.

Here is a bit I'm writing about concerning Father Nothing.

Perhaps consciousness is primary to nothing, like gravity. Perhaps it is just a feature of space-time.

Nothing is asetic, they depend on no thing. Nothing is eternal, because nothing was before and nothing, space time will always be. Nothing is immanent, they are in the world, as nothing is spacetime, they are transendent outside of the world as their divine principle, making the most of things. Together with Nothing. Nothing is incorporeal. Both Nothing , omnipresent. If it were alive, the Nature, then that would probably imply that it would treat us as cells and try to help each cell out in the way that’s best for them, as we do. It would probably be so wise, so high IQ and seeing truly justly (in ways we would not know) as much as it COULD and acting in a, to primitive people omniscient and omnipotent, way. Nothing is the simplest one can be.

Nothing, space time, according to science also created everything. ANd if you think about it it is the one thing that could have started the great chain of events. Because everything else goes back to a prior cause. Nothing reacting with itself violently to form matter and energy, and us, planets and pill bugs, makes logical sense if you understand that you do not know nothing can do no thing. You just have never seen nothing do any thing, or at least not recognized it.

This is a seemingly rare but common theme in religion. I forgot who, but some pagans, maybe all, believed the great God, greatest of all things, was both Nothing and Everything at the same time. I believe everything is just a continuum, Nothing is everything because everything comes from nothing.

I hope that helps, sibling of Creation.

I'm not going to figure a dream-like state with cells or atoms meeting up with whatever out there (?) and then coming back somehow to the body/brain. People on LSD and other chemicals have had weird experiences but doesn't mean they are the reality of what's happening outside their bodies in reality other than distorted chemical processes. Some of them never recover; some of them have killed themselves by jumping off buildings, etc. when on a "trip." The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob revealed himself as recorded over the centuries. Weighing the scales, it is far more believable that is how God communicated than out-of=body-brain type things as near-death experiences.

 

[ChieftheCef]

First off, and sorry that I don't have time right now to go through your entire answer (I usually don't like to read lengthy posts anyway -- but -- if it's not too difficult I'd like to go through your response another time), you made me laugh -- here -- I forgive you for your anger since you ask. And I laughed about the trauma that induced schizophrenia. If that's true, though, I hope you can recover successfully. Later... (And sorry I laughed if it's true...

Glad we could find common ground. We all have it if we know how to look.

 

[ChieftheCef]

OK, I read a few more lines. Forgive me, I'm slow. So now, a person can't be declared dead too long before he cannot be revived, isn't that true as you and I know it? A near death experience, though doesn't mean the person has died. It is called "near death," not a death experience. But the scientific jury is a bit out on this.
However, it's like if I go near the ocean, it doesn't mean I went in the ocean. I hope we're not going to argue that. But here is an interesting article about near death experiences. Bringing people back from the dead Note: you can't be 'dead' too long before you can't be revived and you're totally dead.

The brain actually survives for up to 10 minutes cut off from oxygen. There is a certain point where you are dead and merge with God, the universal consciousness.

This is a wonderful conversation now. I don't mean to be patronising to anyone, and this is not just to Yours but let's all be brothers and sisters of the great mystery of who we are, the great mystery of God (Nature for scientists) and have fun together. Thanks

 

[ChieftheCef]

I'm not going to figure a dream-like state with cells or atoms meeting up with whatever out there (?) and then coming back somehow to the body/brain. People on LSD and other chemicals have had weird experiences but doesn't mean they are the reality of what's happening outside their bodies in reality other than distorted chemical processes. Some of them never recover; some of them have killed themselves by jumping off buildings, etc. when on a "trip." The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob revealed himself as recorded over the centuries. Weighing the scales, it is far more believable that is how God communicated than out-of=body-brain type things as near-death experiences.

You'll find the truth about psychedelics is deeper than propaganda.

I want to tell you about a dmt trip I've heard of. It's essentially these beings, somewhat like angels in their seemed power over reality that report and draw information from a very big, Godlike(the monotheist variety) seemingness who seems to know everyone.

There's another, but I'm not sure how true this one is.

Remember how the animals talked in Eden? There's apparently a trip archetype for dmt where you are "transported" to a sort of Edenlike nature scene where animals talk. Like I said I'm not sure how reputable the source is and no I didn't take dmt. These are trip reports from others on the internet. But back to dmt, dmt us found in the acacia plant which is a sort of bush. I think whether it was divinely (though I don't believe in Jesus as the only god) inspired or not the acacia is very central in Free Mason teaching and customs. It is said the free masons gail from Solomon. Just interesting to note.

 

[YoursTrue]

The brain actually survives for up to 10 minutes cut off from oxygen. There is a certain point where you are dead and merge with God, the universal consciousness.

This is a wonderful conversation now. I don't mean to be patronising to anyone, and this is not just to Yours but let's all be brothers and sisters of the great mystery of who we are, the great mystery of God (Nature for scientists) and have fun together. Thanks

Sorry but I don't believe any part of our being is conscious after death of our parts because of what the Bible says about that. Dust to dust. The life force or spirit is from God. There are those who died who are in God's memory and He can restore them to life when the time comes. Jesus said: “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.”—John 5:28-30. Naturally there's more to it, but that is a starter on what I have come to recognize from my study of the Bible.

 

[YoursTrue]

You'll find the truth about psychedelics is deeper than propaganda.

I want to tell you about a dmt trip I've heard of. It's essentially these beings, somewhat like angels in their seemed power over reality that report and draw information from a very big, Godlike(the monotheist variety) seemingness who seems to know everyone.

There's another, but I'm not sure how true this one is.

Remember how the animals talked in Eden? There's apparently a trip archetype for dmt where you are "transported" to a sort of Edenlike nature scene where animals talk. Like I said I'm not sure how reputable the source is and no I didn't take dmt. These are trip reports from others on the internet. But back to dmt, dmt us found in the acacia plant which is a sort of bush. I think whether it was divinely (though I don't believe in Jesus as the only god) inspired or not the acacia is very central in Free Mason teaching and customs. It is said the free masons gail from Solomon. Just interesting to note.

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't it only the serpent that "talked" in Eden?

 

[ChieftheCef]

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't it only the serpent that "talked" in Eden?

Edit

Strict reading of Genesis has only the serpent talking. But a strict reading of Genesis is fundamentally logically impossible, as at one point in time there are men created after plants then there are no men and no plants. There are other things too, the math on the population growth alleged by Genesis doesn't add up. I can link a video if you want?

 

[YoursTrue]

Cast the first stone, buddy.

Allow me to tell you that before I studied the Bible and changed my life around I did many things that were not so "holy," is the best way I can put it now. And yes, no matter how much we try now to do the right thing, as Paul said, sin is always right there. The Bible differentiates between inherited sin and willful sin, between an act of sin over which a person is repentant and the practice of sin. A person knows if he steals something from a store or even a relative, he's stealing.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Allow me to tell you that before I studied the Bible and changed my life around I did many things that were not so "holy," is the best way I can put it now. And yes, no matter how much we try now to do the right thing, as Paul said, sin is always right there. The Bible differentiates between inherited sin and willful sin, between an act of sin over which a person is repentant and the practice of sin.

A person knows if he steals something from a store or even a relative, he's stealing.

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[YoursTrue]

Edit

Strict reading of Genesis has only the serpent talking. But a strict reading of Genesis is fundamentally logically impossible, as at one point in time there are men created after plants then there are no men and no plants. There are other things too, the math on the population growth alleged by Genesis doesn't add up. I can link a video if you want?

First of all, we know serpents don't really talk. Therefore there must have been something or someone behind the serpent making Eve believe she was communicating with the serpent. She evidently thought the serpent was somehow communicating with her.
(I can't promise to look at the entire video but you can send a link.)
The book of Revelation later identifies the serpent as Satan the Devil. Revelation 12:9. "And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him."
Notice the description of that serpent. "And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him." The serpent had angels, or companions, who went with him.

 

[YoursTrue]

What's that supposed to mean?

That no matter with or without believing in God as judge, people know inherently right from wrong.

 

[YoursTrue]

@ChieftheCef so no matter before I was working on certain qualities to please God I knew if I stole something I had a disturbed conscience. Hope that helps to explain it.

 

[EconGuy]

Question:

what happens after death...​

My answer:
You go back to the place you were before you were born.​

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