Question for all - what happens after death...

[YoursTrue]

Question:

what happens after death...​

My answer:​

You go back to the place you were before you were born.​

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Hello, EconGuy, I kind of hate to get started because this can lead to questioning and wondering and imaginings, but do you have any idea based on evidence, what one was before he is born or more technically, conceived in the womb? In general, it takes two to tango, as the saying goes--in other words, cells combining from two persons to make one person. Remarkable, don't you think? I certainly do.

 

[ChieftheCef]

First of all, we know serpents don't really talk. Therefore there must have been something or someone behind the serpent making Eve believe she was communicating with the serpent. She evidently thought the serpent was somehow communicating with her.
(I can't promise to look at the entire video but you can send a link.)
The book of Revelation later identifies the serpent as Satan the Devil. Revelation 12:9. "And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him."
Notice the description of that serpent. "And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him." The serpent had angels, or companions, who went with him.

In what way do you believe in God exactly

Question:

what happens after death...​

My answer:​

You go back to the place you were before you were born.​

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True!

Allow me to tell you that before I studied the Bible and changed my life around I did many things that were not so "holy," is the best way I can put it now. And yes, no matter how much we try now to do the right thing, as Paul said, sin is always right there. The Bible differentiates between inherited sin and willful sin, between an act of sin over which a person is repentant and the practice of sin. A person knows if he steals something from a store or even a relative, he's stealing.

I wish you well on your journey, Yours. Just be sure to take the lesson from Jesus, don't hate sinners for their sin. We all sin, even God doesn't hate us for our sin. I'm sure you're a righto chap now, though.

 

[YoursTrue]

The brain actually survives for up to 10 minutes cut off from oxygen. There is a certain point where you are dead and merge with God, the universal consciousness.

This is a wonderful conversation now. I don't mean to be patronising to anyone, and this is not just to Yours but let's all be brothers and sisters of the great mystery of who we are, the great mystery of God (Nature for scientists) and have fun together. Thanks

Ok but! rereading your response again ok I'm going to ask in my somewhat annoying way perhaps...what do you think happens? The brainwaves go to God and he decides if he's going to send them back to your fleshly body or not? Maybe give you an experience or two before you "go back? When you're dead, yes, you are dayd in that provincial accent. You are not--simply not, alive. Don't know exactly why a person might have these outofbody experiences but I am sure they're not actual. But rather brain problems.

 

[YoursTrue]

In what way do you believe in God exactly

True!

I wish you well on your journey, Yours. Just be sure to take the lesson from Jesus, don't hate sinners for their sin. We all sin, even God doesn't hate us for our sin. I'm sure you're a righto chap now, though.

I am not perfect. I ask for forgiveness very often because I know and others do also, that I am not perfect. But I've changed. Changing a word or two of an old song...Still trying after all these years...yeah, still trying after all these years...(and much better off than before...)

 

[EconGuy]

but do you have any idea based on evidence, what one was before he is born or more technically, conceived in the womb?

Just that my life and memories started in this life. My earliest memory was when I was 2 years old (I'm in my 50's).

So, let's say there was something before and/ or after. If you don't remember your previous life, what does that mean? Is it really you in any tangible way? We see this perspective in the movies, quite often. Bad guy loses his memory and in his new life and memories becomes a good guy unaware of who they were in the previous life. Of course in the movies, we eventually learn the characters dark past and usually the character does to, but I'm not aware of any verifiable evidence that anyone has ever remembered or even been affected by a past life, thus it would seem that there is no reason to believe it's true and even if it is, if you cannot remember it, was it you?
If there is an afterlife, if you can't remember this one why would it matter?

I assume there was nothing before I came to being and it stands to reason that I will return to that place. That makes my time, whatever it is, very special. This is the only life I get. This is my one chance.

in other words, cells combining from two persons to make one person. Remarkable, don't you think? I certainly do.

Remarkable in what way? In a 13.75 billion year old universe, where entropy in the beginning was very low. Rising entropy is responsible for almost every dynamic system we see in nature. I mean, from our limited point-of-view, we might call two cells joining and making a person, remarkable, but it, or other similarly complex interactions may be fairly mundane when looking at things that happen in our universe.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Ok but! rereading your response again ok I'm going to ask in my somewhat annoying way perhaps...what do you think happens?

Consciousness is a feature of spacetime, nothingness, the void, and matter and maybe energy picks up that "signal". Once the trip or dream if you will is over you naturally as a consciousness emerge into consciousness base form which is god. We all are god we all have god in us. We were created by god, can I tell you that story?

Also this reply HAS journeyed into the non-scientific and into speculation that explains things, which is the currency in science.

The brainwaves go to God and he decides if he's going to send them back to your fleshly body or not? Maybe give you an experience or two before you "go back? When you're dead, yes, you are dayd in that provincial accent. You are not--simply not, alive. Don't know exactly why a person might have these outofbody experiences but I am sure they're not actual. But rather brain problems.

Why are you sure there brain problems? Even if they are one could evolve to use this for oneself in a beneficial way. Sometimes bugs become features.

 

[YoursTrue]

Consciousness is a feature of spacetime, nothingness, the void, and matter and maybe energy picks up that "signal". Once the trip or dream if you will is over you naturally as a consciousness emerge into consciousness base form which is god. We all are god we all have god in us. We were created by god, can I tell you that story?

Also this reply HAS journeyed into the non-scientific and into speculation that explains things, which is the currency in science.

Why are you sure there brain problems? Even if they are one could evolve to use this for oneself in a beneficial way. Sometimes bugs become features.

Ok once you start with spacetime relating it to consciousness, I'm out of there.

 

[YoursTrue]

Just that my life and memories started in this life. My earliest memory was when I was 2 years old (I'm in my 50's).

So, let's say there was something before and/ or after. If you don't remember your previous life, what does that mean? Is it really you in any tangible way? We see this perspective in the movies, quite often. Bad guy loses his memory and in his new life and memories becomes a good guy unaware of who they were in the previous life. Of course in the movies, we eventually learn the characters dark past and usually the character does to, but I'm not aware of any verifiable evidence that anyone has ever remembered or even been affected by a past life, thus it would seem that there is no reason to believe it's true and even if it is, if you cannot remember it, was it you?
If there is an afterlife, if you can't remember this one why would it matter?

I assume there was nothing before I came to being and it stands to reason that I will return to that place. That makes my time, whatever it is, very special. This is the only life I get. This is my one chance.



Remarkable in what way? In a 13.75 billion year old universe, where entropy in the beginning was very low. Rising entropy is responsible for almost every dynamic system we see in nature. I mean, from our limited point-of-view, we might call two cells joining and making a person, remarkable, but it, or other similarly complex interactions may be fairly mundane when looking at things that happen in our universe.

Ok you don't think it's remarkable and fantastic that cells join to form another human? I do. And so another classroom I'm leaving. No insult intended but have a good evening.

 

[EconGuy]

Ok you don't think it's remarkable and fantastic that cells join to form another human? I do. And so another classroom I'm leaving. No insult intended but have a good evening.

Do I think it's remarkable? Speaking empirically, I'll concede it could be, but the real answer is, I don't know.

For example, Vestna Volovic fell 33,333ft from a plane, without a parachute and survived. Why is that remarkable? Because people fall from much lower heights all the time and die, humans are pretty fragile. It is the comparison between known events that allows the judgement of how remarkable an event is.

By the same measure, much more mundane events whose possibilities are so close to zero to seem impossible. For example, a single drop of rain fell from the sky and hit me right on the nose the other day. I didn't see a single other drop, lest the one that hit me on the nose. If you went back to the beginning of my life and tried to predict that event, it would by any measure be impossible to say that on that date at that time that I would be hit on the nose by that raindrop. But it's mundane, it holds very little meaning from our point-of-view and therefore no one that experiences something similar would think twice about it.

In reality, given the 70 sextillion possible stars in our universe (that's more stars than grains of sand on every beach in the world), life might be routine. There could be quadrillions of planets with life (which is still a near infinitesimal small number compared to the number of possible planets and stars), and life could be common which would make the meeting of sperm and egg or some similar process rather mundane.

In reality we just don't know. What I do believe is that humans tend to be ego centric, convinced of their own importance in this universe. Personally, I'm not convinced of our importance in this universe. I'm open to changing my mind about this and a great many other things. What I won't do is concede something because of how it makes me feel. I won't extract meaning or purpose where it is not deserved.

I hope that helps you understand my point-of-view.

Respectfully,

EG

(PS be gentle on me with grammar and spelling, I typed this on my phone w/o my reading glasses).

 

[ChieftheCef]

Remarkable in what way? In a 13.75 billion year old universe, where entropy in the beginning was very low.

Entropy is always low otherwise you wouldn't be alive. As the universe cools points of intense heat form as naturally as any entropy and quicker than they "fall apart".

Rising entropy is responsible for almost every dynamic system we see in nature. I mean, from our limited point-of-view, we might call two cells joining and making a person, remarkable, but it, or other similarly complex interactions may be fairly mundane when looking at things that happen in our universe.

Indeed.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Ok once you start with spacetime relating it to consciousness, I'm out of there.

No worries. Maybe one day you'll be interested in science, find the right science, and see where you're pointed to. Have a pleasant day!

 

[ChieftheCef]

Ok you don't think it's remarkable and fantastic that cells join to form another human? I do. And so another classroom I'm leaving. No insult intended but have a good evening.

It's definitely important in it's number BUT it is relatively mundane. Also, too many humans in a finite place? BE fruitful and multiply? No further instruction on the part of the savior of humanity who defeated death for himself and himself alone because death is as natural as not talking snakes?

Had to get that out there. Have a swell one, Yours.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's definitely important in it's number BUT it is relatively mundane. Also, too many humans in a finite place? BE fruitful and multiply? No further instruction on the part of the savior of humanity who defeated death for himself and himself alone because death is as natural as not talking snakes?

Had to get that out there. Have a swell one, Yours.

For the most part, the reason that not much is offered by way of instruction for all of Adam & Eve's descendants is that they BOTH decided before they had children to figure things out for themselves. She, the Bible says, was deceived. Adam was not but chose to die and reject God's sovereignty along with his beloved wife. Notice Genesis 3 after the sin,
9 And Jehovah God kept calling to the man and saying to him: “Where are you?” 10 Finally he said: “I heard your voice in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid myself.” 11 At that he said: “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate.” 13 Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” The woman replied: “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”
Eve finally realized she had been deceived but the death penalty fell on her anyway because that was the price God imposed for disobeying Him. Do you mind dying? Most people don't like the idea of death. (But it's there...) And it eventually will be done away with. I look forward to that.

 

[EconGuy]

Entropy is always low otherwise you wouldn't be alive.

Entropy in our universe is always increasing, low and high states of entropy are relative I suppose.

 

[ChieftheCef]

For the most part, the reason that not much is offered by way of instruction for all of Adam & Eve's descendants is that they BOTH decided before they had children to figure things out for themselves. She, the Bible says, was deceived. Adam was not but chose to die and reject God's sovereignty along with his beloved wife. Notice Genesis 3 after the sin,
9 And Jehovah God kept calling to the man and saying to him: “Where are you?” 10 Finally he said: “I heard your voice in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid myself.” 11 At that he said: “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate.” 13 Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” The woman replied: “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”
Eve finally realized she had been deceived but the death penalty fell on her anyway because that was the price God imposed for disobeying Him. Do you mind dying? Most people don't like the idea of death. (But it's there...) And it eventually will be done away with.

Do you take that literally?

I look forward to that.

That won't happen. As long as you are a grouping of things you can not be a grouping of things. To do away with death is to do away with life. Say we have 10,000 planets. We can only have 10,000 planets filled with human beings, and that's not much.

How does this equation equal happiness to you? Because you'll see everyone you miss? That's death. That is never life. And that would lead to resources shortages and then depletion. God was a character devised by a corrupt Egyptian King. Check this out this:

 

[ChieftheCef]

Entropy in our universe is always increasing, low and high states of entropy are relative I suppose.

But it is always significantly less or there'd be nothing left. Thermodynamics is sketchy at best.

It's not the gloom and doom you'd been promised by Lord Kelvin, it's Nature constantly building up to new preferable to it wholes and thus a greater greater whole.

 

[YoursTrue]

Do you take that literally?

That won't happen. As long as you are a grouping of things you can not be a grouping of things. To do away with death is to do away with life. Say we have 10,000 planets. We can only have 10,000 planets filled with human beings, and that's not much.

How does this equation equal happiness to you? Because you'll see everyone you miss? That's death. That is never life. And that would lead to resources shortages and then depletion. God was a character devised by a corrupt Egyptian King. Check this out this:

Freud thought that it was good for us to die, if I recall correctly, because that teaches us to savor life. At the time I thought it was real questionable because I did not and still do not, look forward to death, although getting old-er has its setbacks. I now reject Freud's concept because that's only what he thought. Insofar as populating other planets, hmmm, I don't know. The Bible says God positioned the earth for mankind's habitation. What happens in the future is up to Him. Once the earth is made perfect for human population.

 

[YoursTrue]

Do you take that literally?

That won't happen. As long as you are a grouping of things you can not be a grouping of things. To do away with death is to do away with life. Say we have 10,000 planets. We can only have 10,000 planets filled with human beings, and that's not much.

How does this equation equal happiness to you? Because you'll see everyone you miss? That's death. That is never life. And that would lead to resources shortages and then depletion. God was a character devised by a corrupt Egyptian King. Check this out this:

Now the thing is that Japanese emperors also made themselves gods. I am not sure of the pharaonic timeline so when I have time I'll look that up. Interesting though (and yes, I believe it) that Cain and Abel both offered sacrifices. The first human descendants.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Freud thought that it was good for us to die, if I recall correctly, because that teaches us to savor life. At the time I thought it was real questionable because I did not and still do not, look forward to death, although getting old-er has its setbacks. I now reject Freud's concept because that's only what he thought. Insofar as populating other planets, hmmm, I don't know. The Bible says God positioned the earth for mankind's habitation. What happens in the future is up to Him. Once the earth is made perfect for human population.

I can't help but look at you as a man with a cartoony outlook, that only your bull**** is true and all else is forbade. Your god, the monotheist variety is altogether evil and a perverted form of Atum. Sorry if I seem heated, it is difficult to explain the divide we have between us using small, impersonal words and walking on eggshells.

 

[EconGuy]

But it is always significantly less

Less than what?

Thermodynamics is sketchy at best.

How so?

it's Nature constantly building up to new preferable to it wholes and thus a greater greater whole.

No idea what this sentence means.