Question for all - what happens after death...

[ChieftheCef]

I thought you might answer that way. I answered it. But I'll help you out a little. You've been interesting. Gorillas and turtles have not written out any of their history. Try twisting that why don't you. Try saying oh maybe they have...etc.

Just to get a lil more science in there

Baboons have begun being agriculturalists. They keep dogs like we do. You'll find that consciousness features are universal, even among plants.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Or great works of art.

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That's only because they have not had time to specialize. As agriculturalists we can specialize. Some of can farm, some craft, some defend, hunt and make art and a surprising amount of others. If any animal that could paint would paint over generations they would create better and better art as time went on sheerly by watching each other.

 

[Kenny]

Do you think that whatever happens after death, that atheists and theists will have the same fate as each other?

I'm also adding a poll.

Although subjects like what happens after death may have been covered before in a more narrow scope, I'm asking more broadly. And I'm asking, whatever your beliefs are, do you think atheists and theists will have the same fate? (Or tend to have the same fate?)

Feel free to expand on your answer beyond a "Yes" or "No" as well, should you have the time.

On the negative side, what I never understood is why people ask questions to other people that don't have the pay grade to answer. (all within the parameters of my signature). Within those parameters, it is God who will ultimately decide.

On the positive side, the question of "will atheists and theist have the same fate as each other" is a very good question when one is asking for their own understanding. Within the parameters that I stated, one can read the NT to see what is the perspective of those who wrote those Gospels and letters and come to their personal conclusion to the degree that they believe what is written or what sounds logical to the reader.

Certainly Jesus intimated as such when he said:

Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

If one believes they are healthy (I am perfectly fine--I am happy where I am at), they will believe one thing and act accordingly. If one believes they are sick (I am not perfectly fine, I am not happy were I am at) , they will have their set of action items.

So the fact that one is asking oneself the question is a good position is as much as they are judging themselves, looking for some sort of standard, and finding whether they are healthy or perchance the find that they had a hidden cancer that was going to kill them and that they need a dictor. (analogy)

 

[ChieftheCef]

On the negative side, what I never understood is why people ask questions to other people that don't have the pay grade to answer. (all within the parameters of my signature). Within those parameters, it is God who will ultimately decide.

On the positive side, the question of "will atheists and theist have the same fate as each other" is a very good question when one is asking for their own understanding. Within the parameters that I stated, one can read the NT to see what is the perspective of those who wrote those Gospels and letters and come to their personal conclusion to the degree that they believe what is written or what sounds logical to the reader.

Certainly Jesus intimated as such when he said:

Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

If one believes they are healthy (I am perfectly fine--I am happy where I am at), they will believe one thing and act accordingly. If one believes they are sick (I am not perfectly fine, I am not happy were I am at) , they will have their set of action items.

So the fact that one is asking oneself the question is a good position is as much as they are judging themselves, looking for some sort of standard, and finding whether they are healthy or perchance the find that they had a hidden cancer that was going to kill them and that they need a dictor. (analogy)

You know hats funny about the gospels? The Stoics wrote them. You know what the Christians did to the Stoics? They banned their asses. Can you trust Christians?

 

[YoursTrue]

Again, what don't care, there are some abrahamics who do believe

And failed sarcasm is just that... Failed

Lol. Since you claim some Abrahamics do believe, so what? Does that mean God in truth does not exist? Or better put, in your estimation He does not exist? Ok, I leave you now. Perhaps until later.

Just to get a lil more science in there

Baboons have begun being agriculturalists. They keep dogs like we do. You'll find that consciousness features are universal, even among plants.

Lol ok. Been through these types of arguments before, was therefore thinking you might bolster up ideas about animals learning to read and write, and so ... Hope things go evolutionarily and chancewise well with you.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Lol. Since you claim some Abrahamics do believe, so what? Does that mean God in truth does not exist? Or better put, in your estimation He does not exist? Ok, I leave you now. Perhaps until later.

Lol ok. Been through these types of arguments before, was therefore thinking you might bolster up ideas about animals learning to read and write, and so ... Hope things go evolutionarily and chancewise well with you.

Not that everyone hasn't figured this out but he's afraid of science. He proclaims the truth but cannot summon the will to reap the believe bolstering benefits of debate. Monotheists, especially the zealous and high ranking, use fear, violence and anger to keep people believing. A tell tale sign they're wrong.

 

[Kenny]

Can you trust Christians?

Christians aren't "the doctor". within the context of what I typed.

 

[YoursTrue]

You know hats funny about the gospels? The Stoics wrote them. You know what the Christians did to the Stoics? They banned their asses. Can you trust Christians?

I don't know what you're claiming about those who you say wrote the gospel accounts. True Christians do not hurt one another like that.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I don't know what you're claiming about those who you say wrote the gospel accounts. True Christians do not hurt one another like that.

That's not what history shows but they do keep you duped with the lie that they do. Christianity is responsible for people becoming worse and worse. They guise anti nature sentiment as love and fools like you who believe everything their parents said fall right for it. Oh he's real. How do we know? He told us so.

 

[ChieftheCef]

That's not what history shows but they do keep you duped with the lie that they do. Christianity is responsible for people becoming worse and worse. They guise anti nature sentiment as love and fools like you who believe everything their parents said fall right for it. Oh he's real. How do we know? He told us so.

In fact that might be a guise to give it. Thank you. I will investigate this further. I do believe it reverently though. They use violence to uphold radical mistruths like pluck out your eyes if you see a woman. Keep kissing that guys butt.

 

[Fool]

Do you think that whatever happens after death, that atheists and theists will have the same fate as each other?

I'm also adding a poll.

Although subjects like what happens after death may have been covered before in a more narrow scope, I'm asking more broadly. And I'm asking, whatever your beliefs are, do you think atheists and theists will have the same fate? (Or tend to have the same fate?)

Feel free to expand on your answer beyond a "Yes" or "No" as well, should you have the time.

of course

Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality

One of the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of watching, the observer affects the observed reality.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[ChristineM]

Lol. Since you claim some Abrahamics do believe, so what? Does that mean God in truth does not exist?

What is tour problem? I said what i mean and putting words is my mouth is not a good idea.

Lol ok. Been through these types of arguments before, was therefore thinking you might bolster up ideas about animals learning to read and write, and so ... Hope things go evolutionarily and chancewise well with you.

Been through and still not learned anything... Interesting

There is a phrase used on university psychology courses in the UK. "Washoe can, Can Can can't". What it means is that the chimp Washoe (now dead) could communicate in sign language but her mother Can Can couldn't.

Washoe also taught her siblings to communicate via american sign language.



Also for your entertainment

The Gorilla Foundation, Woodside, California, U.S. Her instructor and caregiver, Francine Patterson, reported that Koko had an active vocabulary of more than 1,000 signs of what Patterson calls "Gorilla Sign Language" (GSL). This puts Koko's vocabulary at the same level as a three-year-old human.​

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[ChristineM]

I don't know what you're claiming about those who you say wrote the gospel accounts. True Christians do not hurt one another like that.

Are you joking? Remind me to post a list of religious wars, many if which where one branch of Christianity killing another branch of Christianity because they worshipped differently.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Are you joking? Remind me to post a list of religious wars, many if which where one branch of Christianity killing another branch of Christianity because they worshipped differently.

The Salem Witch Trials also come to mind.

 

[ChristineM]

The Salem Witch Trials also come to mind.

And Pendal witches, i lived on the edge of their stomping ground so feelings about them were still quite strong some 400 years later

 

[Trailblazer]

What a choice - spiritually dead or intellectually dead?

(As both displayed so often on RF).

Why would one have to choose between the two?

 

[ChieftheCef]

I don't know what you're claiming about those who you say wrote the gospel accounts. True Christians do not hurt one another like that.

Yours, why do I get the hunch that the monotheist side actually is the kind reserved from love? Didn't Jesus tell you to accept each other regardless of sin because no man can escape sin and no man is sinless? Cast the first stone.

 

[ChieftheCef]

What is tour problem? I said what i mean and putting words is my mouth is not a good idea.



Been through and still not learned anything... Interesting

There is a phrase used on university psychology courses in the UK. "Washoe can, Can Can can't". What it means is that the chimp Washoe (now dead) could communicate in sign language but her mother Can Can couldn't.

Washoe also taught her siblings to communicate via american sign language.



Also for your entertainment

The Gorilla Foundation, Woodside, California, U.S. Her instructor and caregiver, Francine Patterson, reported that Koko had an active vocabulary of more than 1,000 signs of what Patterson calls "Gorilla Sign Language" (GSL). This puts Koko's vocabulary at the same level as a three-year-old human.​

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And it's true we on average are smarter than animals. But all life is smart enough to learn to survive.

 

[ChristineM]

And it's true we on average are smarter than animals. But all life is smart enough to learn to survive.

I watched a documentary a few years ago about the smartest animals.

It seems pigs and corvidae (blackbird etc) are only around 10000 years from their equivalent of their stone age.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not that everyone hasn't figured this out but he's afraid of science. He proclaims the truth but cannot summon the will to reap the believe bolstering benefits of debate. Monotheists, especially the zealous and high ranking, use fear, violence and anger to keep people believing. A tell tale sign they're wrong.

The bolstering results of these types of debates for me has been like the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Impassible divide. Thus...time to say maybe another time.

Yours, why do I get the hunch that the monotheist side actually is the kind reserved from love? Didn't Jesus tell you to accept each other regardless of sin because no man can escape sin and no man is sinless? Cast the first stone.

So there are sins and there are sins. For instance, if I knew a relative was selling illegal drugs, would I let them in my house to stay? (Guess.) Love takes different forms. We are all imperfect. Some don't accept that, but no human now is perfect or without sin.