Question for all - what happens after death...

[ChristineM]

Its very possible. Nothing in science says the universe isn't alive. Imagine god is just the universe, and us it's cells. There seems to be something that take care of us. Many call this God, the Dao, and other such names. I call her Nature.

I call it a desperate bid by the human brain to cling life.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I call it a desperate bid by the human brain to cling life.

Very true as well. I suppose my actual stance would be that it was some bits of both. I don't mean to make your dads triumph any less.

 

[ChristineM]

Very true as well. I suppose my actual stance would be that it was some bits of both. I don't mean to make your dads triumph any less.

Although I'm atheist my dad is a sort of of believer by habit in the Abramic god but he also understands the science behind gis NDEs

 

[ChieftheCef]

Although I'm atheist my dad is a sort of of believer by habit in the Abramic god but he also understands the science behind gis NDEs

I was an atheist. I am still very scientific and philosophically minded. Monotheism, yes including especially Zoroastrianism (which tells us to kill homosexuals upon learning if there "unchasteness) and even Atenism is sheerly bad. It staunches things like the arts and sex and even gambling etc which would otherwise bring about commerce and make it easier for human flourishing because, basically, even the poor are taken care of because there's so much wealth going on. It also upholds, in all monotheist religions, the threat of violence to keep zaney ideas up. I have found my own zaney scientific ideas and I believe them with less zeal than your average monotheist. The fact that they would call me an atheist should tell you that I am essentially an atheist. Just with a little Science derived flair.

 

[YoursTrue]

My love is not in question, it your dislike of different faiths that i am questioning.

Ahh right another violent verse depicting massacre of non believers in god.

Do you realise that this hypocrisy, dual standard, loathing of difference, whatever is the very reason i left the church in disgust almost 40 years ago and slowly, after reading the bible fully became an atheist?

Again. If I thought you have the right attitude towards God, the truth and his worship, I might agree with you. Do I disagree with those who declare there is an eternally hot place called hell for categorically damned, doomed sinners? Guess. Would I join a religion that proclaims eternity in a hot place for the "unsaved"? Guess again.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Again. If I thought you have the right attitude towards God, the truth and his worship, I might agree with you. Do I disagree with those who declare there is an eternally hot place called hell for categorically damned, doomed sinners? Guess. Would I join a religion that proclaims eternity in a hot place for the "unsaved"? Guess again.

That is certainly one of the disgusting features of monotheism: destuff like destruction, decay, damage, dis ease. I'd not be a monotheist again. Sad situation we find ourselves in. With all the hate dividing us.

 

[ChristineM]

Again. If I thought you have the right attitude towards God, the truth and his worship, I might agree with you. Do I disagree with those who declare there is an eternally hot place called hell for categorically damned, doomed sinners? Guess. Would I join a religion that proclaims eternity in a hot place for the "unsaved"? Guess again.

I don't really care what you think of me. I am not the one dissing religions because my religion tells me to... That's you.

And i laugh when someone threatens me with wonderful art and epic poetry - the source of the Christian belief in hell. Do some research to find out...

 

[ChieftheCef]

Again. If I thought you have the right attitude towards God, the truth and his worship, I might agree with you. Do I disagree with those who declare there is an eternally hot place called hell for categorically damned, doomed sinners? Guess. Would I join a religion that proclaims eternity in a hot place for the "unsaved"? Guess again.

Just destabilize us more why don't ya

 

[YoursTrue]

I call it a desperate bid by the human brain to cling life.

That desire to live is quite different from a chimpanzee's or cockroaches desire to live. HOW DO I KNOW? You can guess, or say perhaps that the human brain evolved to such a point that some humans developed writing and passage of their experiences. Some humans are born developmentally disabled, so can't include them in that idea. Because some brains are not able to function that way. I have discerned and decided that is nonsense, Christine, about evolution of the human brain. It makes much more sense to me that God said, Let us make man in our image. He didn't say let us make gorillas or cockroaches in our image.

 

[ChristineM]

Just destabilize us more why don't ya

Thats better ;-)

Please take a look at the rules.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't really care what you think of me. I am not the one dissing religions because my religion tells me to... That's you.

And i laugh when someone threatens me with wonderful art and epic poetry - the source of the Christian belief in hell. Do some research to find out...

Again, Christine, you're not thinking properly. Do you imagine I think there is a fiery hell where the so-called unsaved will be tortured forever? Calm down and be realistic (honest) in your understanding of what I am saying.

 

[ChristineM]

That desire to live is quite different from a chimpanzee's or cockroaches desire to live. HOW DO I KNOW? You can guess, or say perhaps that the human brain evolved to such a point that some humans developed writing and passage of their experiences. Some humans are born developmentally disabled, so can't include them in that idea. Because some brains are not able to function that way. I have discerned and decided that is nonsense, Christine, about evolution of the human brain. It makes much more sense to me that God said, Let us make man in our image. He didn't say let us make gorillas or cockroaches in our image.

How do you know higher mamals don't have the same desire to live?

Is it that your god told you so?

You are welcome to believe what you like, if it makes it easier for you to say "d'oh i dont know so god did it" then feel free, its no skin off my evolved nose

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't really care what you think of me. I am not the one dissing religions because my religion tells me to... That's you.

And i laugh when someone threatens me with wonderful art and epic poetry - the source of the Christian belief in hell. Do some research to find out...

You diss every religion that professes a belief in God. So knock it off.

 

[ChristineM]

Again, Christine, you're not thinking properly. Do you imagine I think there is a fiery hell where the so-called unsaved will be tortured forever? Calm down and be realistic (honest) in your understanding of what I am saying.

Again, what don't care, there are some abrahamics who do believe

And failed sarcasm is just that... Failed

 

[YoursTrue]

How do you know higher mamals don't have the same desire to live?

Is it that your god told you so?

You are welcome to believe what you like, if it makes it easier for you to say "d'oh i dont know so god did it" then feel free, its no skin off my evolved nose

I thought you might answer that way. I answered it. But I'll help you out a little. You've been interesting. Gorillas and turtles have not written out any of their history. Try twisting that why don't you. Try saying oh maybe they have...etc.

 

[ChristineM]

I thought you might answer that way. I answered it. But I'll help you out a little. You've been interesting. Gorillas and turtles have not written out any of their history. Try twisting that why don't you. Try saying oh maybe they have...etc.

Really.

 

[ChristineM]

I thought you might answer that way. I answered it. But I'll help you out a little. You've been interesting. Gorillas and turtles have not written out any of their history. Try twisting that why don't you. Try saying oh maybe they have...etc.

Or great works of art.

 

[ChristineM]

I thought you might answer that way. I answered it. But I'll help you out a little. You've been interesting. Gorillas and turtles have not written out any of their history. Try twisting that why don't you. Try saying oh maybe they have...etc.

Or try living in the sea and tell me how much writing you need to do?

 

[ChieftheCef]

That desire to live is quite different from a chimpanzee's or cockroaches desire to live. HOW DO I KNOW? You can guess, or say perhaps that the human brain evolved to such a point that some humans developed writing and passage of their experiences. Some humans are born developmentally disabled, so can't include them in that idea. Because some brains are not able to function that way.

The funny thing, YoursTrue, is that we are made in the image of god, Nature (all of shared or unshared reality). We know this because we see repeating mathematical themes like the Fibonacci sequence and eulers spiral. But it does not prove the existence of a personification of god. It only proves that we are all one giant evolving chemical reaction, the universe, reacting with itself to form greater wholes more preferable to all involved.

I have discerned and decided that is nonsense, Christine, about evolution of the human brain. It makes much more sense to me that God said, Let us make man in our image. He didn't say let us make gorillas or cockroaches in our image.

It's really not. It's all the same basic consciousness features. Even a caterpillar has to learn through experiment and observation. We do have the capacity to not choose immediate goodness but wait for goodness, but that doesn't even make us superior. We are all more or less required for life. Plants fart oxygen and animals carbon dioxide for the plants.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Really.

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He's a funny guy, isn't he?