Question for all - what happens after death...

[Whateverist]

In the far distant future a part of you may help to form a new star. How cool is that?

Oh I’d be okay with it but having tasted animacy I’d prefer something in that class. But it’s all needs doing.

 

[ChieftheCef]

That is a claim that is not at all in evidence.
The evidence suggests that what you call "soul" is in fact the neural network that exists in our brain. And which disentegrates along with the body.

We don't know that yet though. The Hard problem of consciousness is solved by Consciousness being primary to reality though. So the soul might not disintegrate, it might just merge with the greater consciousness. I don't have proof, but I have seeds.

 

[ChieftheCef]

In the far distant future a part of you may help to form a new star. How cool is that?

I comprehend that over and over again and enjoy the ultimately psychedelic universe. Look around you, all you see is psychedelic art in the world.

 

[ChieftheCef]

maybe one day I'll twist my brain and guts around to figure out "spacetime." Have a good one. I have other things to do.

Then don't make bold statements like what I say is untrue because you very much have no idea what I'm talking about. You have a sweet time until we next meet.

 

[ChristineM]

I comprehend that over and over again and enjoy the ultimately psychedelic universe. Look around you, all you see is psychedelic art in the world.

I call it nature

 

[ChieftheCef]

I call it nature

They has many names, Nature, Universe, Cosmos, Great Incomprhensible.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Can it be proven the chemicals produce the deaming rather than the dreaming producing the chemicals?

Pardon?

 

[Trailblazer]

We don't know that yet though. The Hard problem of consciousness is solved by Consciousness being primary to reality though. So the soul might not disintegrate, it might just merge with the greater consciousness. I don't have proof, but I have seeds.

Below are my beliefs about the soul. I don't have proof, I only have a religion, the Baha'i Faith, that teaches these things.

The soul associates itself with the body at the time of conception. From then on soul works through the brain and while we are living on earth in a physical body. The soul is associated with the brain and it animates and directs the brain and the body, but when we die and no longer have a physical body the soul continues to live. It lives forever, and that is why it is called an 'immortal soul.'

The soul manifests itself in our thought process. The soul itself does not have cognitive functions, only the brain has those, but the soul 'animates' the brain so it is responsible for our ability to think and feel. If we had no soul the body would have no life.

The soul is the sum total of the personality so it is the person himself; the physical body is pure matter with no real identity. The person, after he dies and leaves his physical body behind remains the same person, and he goes to the spiritual world where he continues the life he conducted in the physical world. The soul takes on some kind of a spiritual body made up of elements that exist in the spiritual world and continues to live forever.

 

[YoursTrue]

In the far distant future a part of you may help to form a new star. How cool is that?

Not very.

 

[YoursTrue]

They has many names, Nature, Universe, Cosmos, Great Incomprhensible.

Great incomprehensible? You think maybe no one, nothing understands the whole thing?

 

[ajay0]

Do you think that whatever happens after death, that atheists and theists will have the same fate as each other?

I'm also adding a poll.

Although subjects like what happens after death may have been covered before in a more narrow scope, I'm asking more broadly. And I'm asking, whatever your beliefs are, do you think atheists and theists will have the same fate? (Or tend to have the same fate?)

Feel free to expand on your answer beyond a "Yes" or "No" as well, should you have the time.

I don't consider atheists to be inferior to theists and vice versa.

As per eastern religious philosophy and enlightened sages, atheists can also attain enlightenment provided they adhere to virtuous conduct.

Imho, an atheist with an excellent value system have more chance of going to heaven or attaining enlightenment than a hypocritical theist who indulge in vices due to weakness of character.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is evidence, but not the kind of evidence you want.

Which would be "the verifiable" kind.

The evidence is how the soul manifests itself in human thought and behavior.

No, that's the data the "soul" idea is trying to explain.
Furthermore, you don't have a proper working definition of "soul" in such a way that testable predictions naturally flow from it.
As it doesn't make any predictions, by definition there can't be evidence for (or against) it.

Without such predictions, you can not distinguish which data supports it from which data doesn't.
So evidence (for or against this idea) by definition is an impossibility.

There not being any objective evidence for souls is an observation that is very much consistent with the soul being an immaterial entity.
The soul works through the brain and mind, but it is not something you can see or measure.

The exact same can be said about pink undetectable graviton pixies as regulators of gravity.
The "evidence" for them, according to your low standards, would be the fact that there is gravity and that there is somebody making the claim that the pixies regulate it.

There can't be any "objective evidence" for these pixies and that is consistent with them being undetectable.
As for the natural explanation, we just ignore that.

Unfalsifiable hypothesis: infinite in number, only limited by human imagination.

Usefullness: zero.
Ability to distinguish it from non-existent things: ironically, non-existent.

As a result, rational reasons to believe the claims: none.

However, how the brain and mind actually work remains a mystery.

Not really.
There is still much much to learn for sure.
There's also a lot of stuff that we DO know.

Scientists have known for centuries that the brain is the seat of human thought, but we're still in the dark about how it works. Mar 15, 2022

This is not an accurate representation of the current state of affairs in fields like neurology.
Again: a lot is still unknown. But many things are known. And more is learned almost every day.

Lab Notes | Why don't we understand the brain? - Allen Institute​

I believe that the workings of the brain is a mystery because the soul is responsible for the workings of the brain and the soul is a mystery.

And that is a classic argument of the gaps / ignorance.
Also, you can't explain a mystery by appealing to an even bigger mystery.
It has explanatory power zero.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Below are my beliefs about the soul. I don't have proof, I only have a religion

I don't require proof. I'm happy with evidence.
But what you have is religion. Aka "faith".

I don't waste my time with that, as it doesn't allow distinguishing accurate beliefs from false ones.
There is no reason at all to believe something if "faith" is required.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We don't know that yet though.

The evidence is strong enough to tentatively conclude it going forward.

The Hard problem of consciousness is solved by Consciousness being primary to reality though. So the soul might not disintegrate, it might just merge with the greater consciousness. I don't have proof, but I have seeds.

That looks like vague magical thinking to me.

 

[ChristineM]

Not very.

Hot stuff i know but so cool to be part of a star

 

[ChieftheCef]

The evidence is strong enough to tentatively conclude it going forward.


That looks like vague magical thinking to me.

Because you've been trained by reductionists to think math is all there is. That is foolish.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Great incomprehensible? You think maybe no one, nothing understands the whole thing?

Father Nothing would understand the whole thing. But not us.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I call it nature

It is Nature. Look at Nature from afar, at the really big.

Psychedelic.

Look at the nature of the really small, planets and atoms. Look at how there's a sea of planets just like a sea of particles to every planetoid electron and solaic mass of protons and neutrons. Imagine this, coming up from the bottom, where we are, if that is the right way up, it goes planets are big to us, but they're small to super giants and nebulae which are both small to the cosmic web with different things arranging themselves in homogenous ways in a grand fractal throughout space and time, an infinite thing, nothingness.

Perhaps, in a grand quasi design to be entirely designed by Nature as Nature evolves, it means that we are all differentially equal, what (I believe is translated better as be positive to be happy), as we are made of the same stuff as everything else, atoms and particles, constantly rearranging itself and forming greater wholes (greater wholes meaning stuff, things, anything from a cloud of gas in space, to the design of the cosmic web, to a pencil, to gold etc.

Even the distribution of ants is a naturally distributed pattern. Even the stains from your macaroni and cheese.

By the way, that double helix is proof DNA COULD form in the sludge of a swamp because the sludge of dark matter and light matter made it in it's own ultimately watery soup. Come on, can I have a noble prize I could probably use the cash ?

I wonder if they could better get the chances of the formation of the double helix by seeing how frequently the double helix nebula's form is dispensed.

 

[ChristineM]

It is Nature. Look at Nature from afar, at the really big.

Psychedelic.

Look at the nature of the really small, planets and atoms. Look at how there's a sea of planets just like a sea of particles to every planetoid electron and solaic mass of protons and neutrons. Imagine this, coming up from the bottom, where we are, if that is the right way up, it goes planets are big to us, but they're small to super giants and nebulae which are both small to the cosmic web with different things arranging themselves in homogenous ways in a grand fractal throughout space and time, an infinite thing, nothingness.

Perhaps, in a grand quasi design to be entirely designed by Nature as Nature evolves, it means that we are all differentially equal, what (I believe is translated better as be positive to be happy), as we are made of the same stuff as everything else, atoms and particles, constantly rearranging itself and forming greater wholes (greater wholes meaning stuff, things, anything from a cloud of gas in space, to the design of the cosmic web, to a pencil, to gold etc.

Even the distribution of ants is a naturally distributed pattern. Even the stains from your macaroni and cheese.

I do like the artists impression

 

[ChieftheCef]

I do like the artists impression

Isn't it cool to just watch nature. Like sit on a bench in a small park and watch bugs and birds and other animals etc.?