Question for all - what happens after death...

[ChristineM]

Isn't it cool to just watch nature. Like sit on a bench in a small park and watch bugs and birds and other animals etc.?

I spend time in the forest or walking by the river. Or simply sitting on the veranda taking in the sounds of the forest

 

[Trailblazer]

Isn't it cool to just watch nature. Like sit on a bench in a small park and watch bugs and birds and other animals etc.?

I don't have to go to the park to watch nature, all I have to do is go in my kitchen and look out the window to my deck, where birds and other animals abound!

 

[YoursTrue]

Because you've been trained by reductionists to think math is all there is. That is foolish.

Father Nothing would understand the whole thing. But not us.

Perhaps you'll join nothing forever, you think? All over...

 

[YoursTrue]

I spend time in the forest or walking by the river. Or simply sitting on the veranda taking in the sounds of the forest

Atoms might watch when bodies are dissolved, you think?

 

[ChristineM]

Atoms might watch when bodies are dissolved, you think?

Eh? I don't atoms have eyes, hmmm, no they don't, it's the other way round , eyes have atoms

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Do you think that whatever happens after death, that atheists and theists will have the same fate as each other?

I'm also adding a poll.

Although subjects like what happens after death may have been covered before in a more narrow scope, I'm asking more broadly. And I'm asking, whatever your beliefs are, do you think atheists and theists will have the same fate? (Or tend to have the same fate?)

Feel free to expand on your answer beyond a "Yes" or "No" as well, should you have the time.

I believe the fate after death, is not just dependent upon on being theist or atheist.
It is about how "Spiritual" one has become in this life.
By the term "Spiritual", I mean, how much a person has acquired good human qualities. In another words, how a good human has become of us.

 

[YoursTrue]

Eh? I don't atoms have eyes, hmmm, no they don't, it's the other way round , eyes have atoms

Ha, very good! I'm glad that you answered that way, but I must say that going back to atomic structure and being somehow at "one" with the "universe" is not exactly how the Bible puts it. Meantime I'll look into a little not much about atomic structure, etc., how atoms came about according to scientific conjecture (because it gets too abstruse for me and I'm beginning to not like Albert Einstein but if he comes back in the resurrection, I hope he won't hold that against me...)

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe the fate after death, is not just dependent upon on being theist or atheist.
It is about how "Spiritual" one has become in this life.
By the term "Spiritual", I mean, how much a person has acquired good human qualities. In another words, how a good human has become of us.

God is the one who will decide. But no matter what anyone says (meaning a religion or person that does not teach accurately or have God's spirit), there is no "hot place" a person lives in if they are not blessed or so-called saved when they are dead. When they're dead, the Bible says they do not know anything. And depending on situation, God can and will wake many up to a better life in the future. Revelation 21:1-5 speaks of this better life to come.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I believe the fate after death, is not just dependent upon on being theist or atheist.
It is about how "Spiritual" one has become in this life.
By the term "Spiritual", I mean, how much a person has acquired good human qualities. In another words, how a good human has become of us.

I believe that a person's afterlife is primarily determined by them, meaning their character and the decisions (good or bad) they've made in their life can affect what happens to them after they die. Of course, we're all just sharing what we personally believe, whether it's based on our religious beliefs or not.

I believe that none of us truly knows what will happen to us after we die. We can speculate all we want or base our beliefs on a holy book, but we won't know for sure until we die and cross over. Some religious people claim to know based on their preferred religious beliefs, church doctrines, and religious texts, but in my opinion, they're speculating just like the rest of us. The spirit world could be entirely different from what they expected. I believe the same is true for those who don't believe in an afterlife. I'm a spiritualist, and I speculate about what the afterlife will be like, but I can't say that I know for sure.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which would be "the verifiable" kind.

We don't always get what we want.

No, that's the data the "soul" idea is trying to explain.
Furthermore, you don't have a proper working definition of "soul" in such a way that testable predictions naturally flow from it.
As it doesn't make any predictions, by definition there can't be evidence for (or against) it.

Without such predictions, you can not distinguish which data supports it from which data doesn't.
So evidence (for or against this idea) by definition is an impossibility.

The soul is a sign of God so and the nature of the soul can never be known, so how can there be a working definition of the soul?
The functions of the soul can be seen in how it manifests itself in the human behavior which is linked to the personality.
Of course that is a religious belief. There is no way to have data about the soul or make testable predictions so proving humans have a soul and how it os connected to human behavior is an impossibility.

Usefullness: zero.
Ability to distinguish it from non-existent things: ironically, non-existent.

As a result, rational reasons to believe the claims: none.

My reason to believe in the soul comes from religion. It is not going to come from science since science cannot study immaterial things.

Not really.
There is still much much to learn for sure.
There's also a lot of stuff that we DO know.

There is more that we don't know. We know the anatomy of the brain but we don't know how the mind functions.

This is not an accurate representation of the current state of affairs in fields like neurology.
Again: a lot is still unknown. But many things are known. And more is learned almost every day.

More will be learned about the brain and mind as time goes on but the nature of the soul is a mystery of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't require proof. I'm happy with evidence.
But what you have is religion. Aka "faith".

The religion is the evidence, just not the kind of evidence you want.

I don't waste my time with that, as it doesn't allow distinguishing accurate beliefs from false ones.

Accurate beliefs can be distinguished from false ones if one has the motivation to try and sets their mind to it.

There is no reason at all to believe something if "faith" is required.

Faith will always be required to believe in things that cannot be proven, whatever they are. That not only applies to religious beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe that none of us truly knows what will happen to us after we die. We can speculate all we want or base our beliefs on a holy book, but we won't know for sure until we die and cross over. Some religious people claim to know based on their preferred religious beliefs, church doctrines, and religious texts, but in my opinion, they're speculating just like the rest of us. The spirit world could be entirely different from what they expected. I believe the same is true for those who don't believe in an afterlife. I'm a spiritualist, and I speculate about what the afterlife will be like, but I can't say that I know for sure.

Speaking of the afterlife, a few days ago I joined Baha'i Senior Singles on Facebook and I saw a post written by a man, presumably a Baha'i, who believes there are 19 known heavens above the physical and Astral plains. He bases his beliefs on what Buddha and Swedenborg wrote about the first 12 heavens. I am not convinced this is accurate but it is still very interesting.

 

[ChristineM]

Ha, very good! I'm glad that you answered that way, but I must say that going back to atomic structure and being somehow at "one" with the "universe" is not exactly how the Bible puts it. Meantime I'll look into a little not much about atomic structure, etc., how atoms came about according to scientific conjecture (because it gets too abstruse for me and I'm beginning to not like Albert Einstein but if he comes back in the resurrection, I hope he won't hold that against me...)

I don't really care how the bible puts it,

Atoms formed as the plasma of the bb condensed.

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe that a person's afterlife is primarily determined by them, meaning their personal character and the decisions (good or bad) they've made in their life. Of course, we're all just sharing what we personally believe, whether it's based on our religious beliefs or not. The fact is that none of us really knows what will happen to us after death. We can speculate as much as we want or base our beliefs on a holy book, but we can't know for certain until we die and cross over to the other side. There are some religious people who claim that they know based on their preferred spiritual beliefs and holy books, but as far as I'm concerned, they're speculating like the rest of us are. I speculate about the afterlife based on my beliefs, but I can't say that I know

I don't really care how the bible puts it,

Atoms formed as the plasma of the bb condensed.

It doesn't matter what you believe now or don't believe. What form of validation do you have that is how atoms came about? Perhaps you can start there. to say that is how plasma condensed from the "Big Bang" is standardly ridiculous. Thank you though for that reply "proving" (not scientifically, of course) that is not only absurd but yes, ridiculous.

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe that a person's afterlife is primarily determined by them, meaning their character and the decisions (good or bad) they've made in their life can affect what happens to them after they die. Of course, we're all just sharing what we personally believe, whether it's based on our religious beliefs or not.

I believe that none of us truly knows what will happen to us after we die. We can speculate all we want or base our beliefs on a holy book, but we won't know for sure until we die and cross over. Some religious people claim to know based on their preferred religious beliefs, church doctrines, and religious texts, but in my opinion, they're speculating just like the rest of us. The spirit world could be entirely different from what they expected. I believe the same is true for those who don't believe in an afterlife. I'm a spiritualist, and I speculate about what the afterlife will be like, but I can't say that I know for sure.

from where do you get your opinion? You? Spirits that speak to you?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Speaking of the afterlife, a few days ago I joined Baha'i Senior Singles on Facebook and I saw a post written by a man, presumably a Baha'i, who believes there are 19 known heavens above the physical and Astral plains. He bases his beliefs on what Buddha and Swedenborg wrote about the first 12 heavens. I am not convinced this is accurate but it is still very interesting.

I think that is very interesting as well and worth looking into, in my opinion.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't really care how the bible puts it,

Atoms formed as the plasma of the bb condensed.

OK, so you'll become an atom. At "one" with the universe. Doesn't matter if your atom sees or understands. And you're right -- I don't really care about how you ridiculously put it. I "see" it differently. Your viewpoint makes no sense, but that's to me, obviously not you or those who might speak to spirits. WHY DON"T YOU BELIEVE THEM?? Thanks.

 

[ChristineM]

to say that is how plasma condensed from the "Big Bang" is standardly ridiculous. Thank you though for that reply "proving" (not scientifically, of course) that is not only absurd but yes,

Oh wow, really, so you have no intention of educating yourself, from lifting yourself out of deliberate ignorance.

So the chances of you reading and learning from this are zero.

First there was hydrogen - Nature Chemistry.

Ah well, at least i tried.

 

[ChristineM]

OK, so you'll become an atom. At "one" with the universe. Doesn't matter if your atom sees or understands. And you're right -- I don't really care about how you ridiculously put it. I "see" it differently. Your viewpoint makes no sense, but that's to me, obviously not you or those who might speak to spirits. WHY DON"T YOU BELIEVE THEM?? Thanks.

See above.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Accurate beliefs can be distinguished from false ones if one has the motivation to try and sets their mind to it.

I believe that is possible because I set my mind to discovering whether the beliefs and teachings of Christianity were valid or not and found them to lack credibility and accuracy. It didn't really dawn on me that I was still slightly bound to my Christian indoctrination relating to demons until I started reading the current thread about whether they exist or not. After reading about your Baha'i beliefs regarding demons and Satan, as well as speaking with some Wiccan friends of mine, I've realized that it's the last vestige of my Christian indoctrination to die out. Now I'm reevaluating my beliefs about nonhuman entities without considering them demonic in the Christian sense. I think that this new knowledge will give me a better angle if I ever encounter one again.