Question for all - what happens after death...

[TagliatelliMonster]

The religion is the evidence

Accurate beliefs can be distinguished from false ones if one has the motivation to try and sets their mind to it.

Kind of hard to do that when the thing that is being believed can't even be defined properly.

Faith will always be required to believe in things that cannot be proven, whatever they are.

Yes. And as already explained, there's nothing that can't be believed on faith.
Faith is not a virtue. Faith is gullibility. It is not a pathway to truth.
Appealing to faith is an efficient way for being wrong.

That not only applies to religious beliefs.

Indeed. It applies to everything that is believed on bad or no evidence.
Like tarrot cards, homeopathy, crystal healing, voodoo, alien abductions, ancient aliens, planet X, lizard people, having won the nigerian lottery while not even having entered it...

It's the bread and butter of con-artists and scammers.

 

[ChristineM]

But if you define atoms as Jesus anything is possible =D

And if you define pigs as birds the price of bacon will soar

 

[Jedster]

And if you define pigs as birds the price of bacon will soar

Indeed

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Indeed
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I suddenly have a craving for pork wing stew

 

[Trailblazer]

Then maybe you should stop appealing to, and assuming as fact, things that you can't even define.

I am not assuming the soul exists as a fact. I believe it exists based upon what y religion teaches.

You know what can be, and is, tested? The function of the brain and how it manifests in human behavior.
But you prefer assuming magical, undefinable, unverifiable entities to "explain" such things instead

I don't prefer one over the other since I believe that both science and religion have their place in understanding human behavior.

We know a lot more then you are willing to acknowledge.

I will acknowledge anything science has uncovered.

And an undefinable, unverifiable, undefendable mystery it will remain.
It will remain faith-based assertion indstinguishable from imagination.
Meanwhile, the function of the brain will indeed be more explained and actual progress wil be made.

Nobody knows what the future holds, so just because the soul is a mystery now that doesn't mean it will always be a mystery.
Another Messenger of God might reveal more about it in the future.

Meanwhile, I see no contradiction between science and religion. The more progress is made in science the better.
The Baha'i position about the value of science is as follows:

‘Abdu’l-Bahá has described science as the “most noble” of all human virtues and “the discoverer of all things”.3 Science has enabled society to separate fact from conjecture. Further, scientific capabilities—of observing, of measuring, of rigorously testing ideas—have allowed humanity to construct a coherent understanding of the laws and processes governing physical reality, as well as to gain insights into human conduct and the life of society.​

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Taken together, science and religion provide the fundamental organizing principles by which individuals, communities, and institutions function and evolve.​

Science and Religion | An Ever-Advancing Civilization | God and His Creation | What Bahá’ís Believe​

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes. And as already explained, there's nothing that can't be believed on faith.

So what? That does not mean that what is believed on faith is not true.

Faith is not a virtue. Faith is gullibility. It is not a pathway to truth.
Appealing to faith is an efficient way for being wrong.

So, if you have faith that your spouse will not cheat, that is gullibility? It is not gullibility if it is based upon evidence.
The Messengers of God are the evidence and they are the pathway to truth about God, the only reliable pathway.

 

[cataway]

It's the only answer.

then were did the plasma come from?

 

[cataway]

From the cooling plasma from the early universe. Sub atomic particles first formed and as the plasma cooled more atoms were able to form

is that what stars do ,form different atoms ?

 

[ChristineM]

then were did the plasma come from?

That is the question to which there are many scientific hypothesis based on mathematics or extrapolation from current observations but no answer. Even god dun it by magic does not answer that question

 

[ChristineM]

is that what stars do ,form different atoms ?

Yes, fusion creates progressively heavier atoms until iron atoms begin to form, that is the death nell for a sun. Depending on gow the sun dies depends on which heavier atoms it creates.

We are all made of star stuff... Carl Sagan

 

[cataway]

That is the question to which there are many scientific hypothesis based on mathematics or extrapolation from current observations but no answer. Even god dun it by magic does not answer that question

God ,well he is rather clever

 

[ChristineM]

God ,well he is rather clever

Got any evidence of this?

Not just belief and wishful thinking but real life, falsifiable evidence.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think that whatever happens after death, that atheists and theists will have the same fate as each other?

I'm also adding a poll.

Although subjects like what happens after death may have been covered before in a more narrow scope, I'm asking more broadly. And I'm asking, whatever your beliefs are, do you think atheists and theists will have the same fate? (Or tend to have the same fate?)

Feel free to expand on your answer beyond a "Yes" or "No" as well, should you have the time.

After death, one's mind ceases.
Body options...
- Rot
- Burn
- Dissected for research, organ donation, med student training

 

[Link]

If you are evil, you probably will think bad of the Angels questioning you and bringing some sort of punishment to you but that punishment no where compares to the final destination. You will despite knowing the truth deep inside probably not acknowledge it and take the beautiful Angels as ugly and see God's enemies as beautiful. And you will probably take side of the devils and be under mastery of Satan himself, and serve him continuously till day of judgment.

If you are good, you will be used by God's forces and continue to travel towards God and perceive the truth and light and increase in it.

The day of judgment, however, all souls will know the truth beyond doubt and there will be no wiggle room for denial.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I admit feeling a bit of positivity at the thought that this thread has been going, off and on, for well over 6 months. It's a rare but unintentional achievement in the RF world.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Got any evidence of this?

Not just belief and wishful thinking but real life, falsifiable evidence.

It is quite apparent to me that you, as an atheist (and other atheists), don't believe in an afterlife because you don't believe in any kind of supernatural phenomenon. In fact, it seems pointless to me for theists to argue with you (and other atheists) about not believing in the afterlife, in the biblical God, or in any gods, or to ask you whether you believe in ghosts or anything else that others consider paranormal. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't believe in the supernatural, then that's entirely your decision, and it shouldn't matter to others. Personally, I respect your decision not to believe in any deities or what others regard as paranormal phenomena. I mean no disrespect, but it makes no difference to me whether you believe in supernatural phenomena or not.

 

[ChieftheCef]

No. It's that it requires magical things to exist.

Magical things could very well be natural things, you're biased!

 

[ChristineM]

It is quite apparent to me that you, as an atheist (and other atheists), don't believe in an afterlife because you don't believe in any kind of supernatural phenomenon. In fact, it seems pointless to me for theists to argue with you (and other atheists) about not believing in the afterlife, in the biblical God, or in any gods, or to ask you whether you believe in ghosts or anything else that others consider paranormal. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't believe in the supernatural, then that's entirely your decision, and it shouldn't matter to others. Personally, I respect your decision not to believe in any deities or what others regard as paranormal phenomena. I mean no disrespect, but it makes no difference to me whether you believe in supernatural phenomena or not.

I agree however, if someone makes a claim then surely they should be able to verify that claim

 

[cataway]

Got any evidence of this?

Not just belief and wishful thinking but real life, falsifiable evidence.

apparently you have never studied creation or the acts of God to guide Israel of long-ago . there are prophies given that are coming true in the here and now.

 

[ChristineM]

apparently you have never studied creation or the acts of God to guide Israel of long-ago . there are prophies given that are coming true in the here and now.

I've studied (as a hobby) as far back towards creation on the universe as science/cosmology can take me, that's around 10e-43 of a second after the bb.

Examples please these prophecies coming true, with evidence