Question to Bahais. The Maitreya.

[InvestigateTruth]

فَإِنْ تَوَلَّوْا فَقُلْ آذَنْتُكُمْ عَلَىٰ سَوَاءٍ ۖ وَإِنْ أَدْرِي أَقَرِيبٌ أَمْ بَعِيدٌ مَا تُوعَدُونَ | But if they turn away, say, ‘I have proclaimed to you all alike, and I do not know whether what you have been promised is far or near. | Al-Anbiyaa : 109

Seems you misunderstood it. Man up and admit.

And brother I've explained to you why it's justified. It has to do with delay of God's punishment of towns and cities. This is the last Book and Mohammad's (s) is a Messenger to all humans all together, if we reject the Mahdi, there will be consequences.

The Mahdi (a) is delayed for sake of God's mercy, He is giving us time to prepare.

Allah in this occasion asked Muhammad to tell them, Muhammad does not know Himself. It does not mean Allah does not know. In the other verse Allah said, it is near!

Then you are saying Quran contradicts itself because in one verse it says it is near in another it says it doesn't know if it is near or far. Then how can you believe Quran is from God, if you think it contradicts itself? Please try explaining.

 

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Allah in this occasion asked Muhammad to tell them, Muhammad does not know Himself. It does not mean Allah does not know. In the other verse Allah said, it is near!

Then you are saying Quran contradicts itself because in one verse it says it is near in another it says it doesn't know if it is near or far. Then how can you believe Quran is from God, if you think it contradicts itself? Please try explaining.

It doesn't say it's near, it says "it maybe near", and so not knowing whether it's far or near, does not change that.

It actually explains and emphasizes that it was unknown. Like I've explained, Quran is full of conditional Prophecies.

 

[firedragon]

Well, then you think when Allah said judgement Day might be near, He doesn't really mean that, even the Hadith confirms that.

Allah, does not state its gonna happen tomorrow. And you trying to bring in ahadith into the picture shows you dont know anything about ahadith. in ahadith, what are the signs of the last day which is "near"? And what have you seen already? You say that Mahdi came, and Jesus came, then who is the Dajjal? Do you even know what ahadith speaks about? You have no clue. You are just blindly following what ever cherry picked ahadith and cherry picked verses of the Qur'an taught to you by whoever.

Please do some research.

 

[firedragon]

If we read the Quran, we see it actually alluded how near it is:

Every cherry picked verse in all the scripture is according to the Bahai faith "alluded" to some superficial thing that you have made up. A verse that says "No" alluded to in your faith to say "yes". Funny and strange.

"He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon" 32:5

He directeth ordinances means, sending down guidance. Then it has a life span of 1000 years. After that the ordinances does up again, meaning God, will take back, what He gave. Because He brings a new Revelation instead.

So mate, 1000 years after the revelation? ITs long gone. The universe should be gone by now.

Also, the verse does not say anything that you are saying. You are just making things up. I mean of course every little detail in your quranic exegesis which you have never in your life has studied are all made up.

Lol. I will never forget. You were talking about "manifestations" in the Quran. I asked you for a verse. You googled the word "manifestation", got the first arabic word for it off google translator, and you said "zahara" is it.

Thats your research. Thats your methodology.

Try and do some real research instead. Dont just go to google translate and pretend to be an expert in the subject, and especially make things up like this.

 

[firedragon]

It doesn't say it's near, it says "it maybe near", and so not knowing whether it's far or near, does not change that.

It actually explains and emphasizes that it was unknown. Like I've explained, Quran is full of conditional Prophecies.

Bro. These people claim the Mehdi and Christ have both come and gone. Then what happened to the Dajjal? They embrace ahadith when it feels good. And some guy here who has no clue about the Bahai faith says some thing about 9 manifestations, but even Krishna is a manifestation of God according to the Bahai faith. Even the Buddha was. People are essentially talking absolutely no sense.

There is a hadith that says when Christ comes, the Dajjal withers away and dies. Bahai's dont know these ahadith.

There is no methodology but the dogmatic blind faith in their website.

Of course the pretence that they have "Studied" all the scripture "In-depth", while no one has.

Sorry but this is a bogus mantra they repeat. "I have studied all scripture in-depth". None of them have. I say that again. None.

One person said that he "studied the Tripitaka" in-depth. But has not even read a single chapter. I mean it. Not even a single chapter. Especially the chapter about the coming of Maitreya. I repeat. NOT even a single chapter.

Another person speaks of an Alif in the Quran and says something about Hamza. He doesnt even know the difference between an Alif and a Hamza, a Mad, or a Madwajib. That was as hilarious as a comedy in the Montessori.

I just wish that people stop pretending to be Gods, and speak truth.

Unbelievable.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thats not what you said Tony. You said "The world was not ready to embrace the Kingdom of God on earth, as it is in Heaven".

Where did the so called "Maitreya" claim this? Please do quote.

If you made a mistake, that's fine. Because I have no doubt, this is not in the Tipitaka. Thus, I would like to know if you made a mistake or if its really there somewhere and where that is.

Hope you understand.

I have made no mistake firedragon, when I made the comment I know what I intended.

If one is looking for the exact same words in all the Messages given from Allah, then one may never find them firedragon. I hope you understand.

It is the Essence of that promise I talk about. It is the Essence of all the Messengers that my hear longs to share. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad the Bab and Baha'u'llah all offered the Kingdom of God in Earth as we find in the Lords Prayer.

Humanity is still not ready to embrace that prayer, no matter how every Messenger has delivered it.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Unbelievable.

Welcome to the world of 'dialoguing' (listening?) to the Baha'i.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

My point was you mentioned fast revelation as a proof, to me, the opposite, it would be more of a proof if if it was revealed over a long period of time like Mohammad (s) and not flow chronologically but revealed all over the place, yet, comes together.

Over 40 years all those Writings were given, is that not longer than Muhammad?

That each book, equivalent to the size of the Quran was given in but 2 days is but a cause of amazement, not rejection.

What a lot of people do not know is that a lot of Revelation given by Baha'u'llah was not recorded and much of it was destroyed, as Baha'u'llah had many Tablets thrown into the river, as humanity was not ready for such Revelation.

Jesus said I have much more to say unto you and then offers about what will come,

John 16:13 "..But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come..."

So that is also offering we will be told much more.

So I offer,

Quran 10:35 "Ask them: 'Are there among ones whom you associate with Allah in His divinity those who can guide to the truth? Say: 'It is Allah alone Who guides to the truth.' Then, who is more worthy to be followed - He Who guides to the truth, or he who cannot find the right way unless others guide him to it? What is wrong with you? How ill do you judge!"

Regards Tony

 

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Allah, does not state its gonna happen tomorrow. And you trying to bring in ahadith into the picture shows you dont know anything about ahadith. in ahadith, what are the signs of the last day which is "near"? And what have you seen already? You say that Mahdi came, and Jesus came, then who is the Dajjal? Do you even know what ahadith speaks about? You have no clue. You are just blindly following what ever cherry picked ahadith and cherry picked verses of the Qur'an taught to you by whoever.

Please do some research.

According to hadiths (Shia) Imam Mahdi (a) and Isa (a) are going to kill the Dajjal, if both hadiths are true it means they going double team him and kill him at the same time. According to Shiite hadiths, Satan was not given respite to day of judgment but rather the known time which is the rising of the Qaim (a).

To me it makes sense, because Dajjal is Abu Lahab of the time, the Gog, the one who Satan chooses as his Qareen, whether he is hidden (this leader) or manifest, but to put an end to Dajjal, you have to after he is dead, put at end to Satan so no more Qareen he will be to anyone.

But since Quran to me doesn't say anything clearly to me in this regard, except by that we wish the hands of Abu Lahab (his influence) to be cut off and destroyed in Surah Abu Lahab, I don't know at the end. Not saying Quran doesn't say one way or the other, but I don't know.

What Quran does say is that near the end times, Gog and Magog are going hold every high place and will fall from that. To me this means they have the positions of influence and authority right now, but all that they will fall from. At that moment, the hour is closer, since the promises to an extent are done. Then final test is how grateful we are to God and Mahdi (a) and Isa (a) and other ones like Elyas (a) and the believers who helped in all that, and how long justice remains after with Imam Mahdi (a) ruling and Isa (a) ruling too as a vizier (2nd in Command).

They will be exposed and opened up (Gog and Magog) and people will see clearly who were the killers of Imam Hussain (a) and who would repeat that crime if they can all over again.

The devils will also be killed inshallah by spiritual swords.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Bro. These people claim the Mehdi and Christ have both come and gone. Then what happened to the Dajjal?

If you wish to know of the Antichrist of the Baha'i Dispensation then this link can begin to inform. There is much written on this topic.

The Dajjal and Anti-Christ manifested in the Bahai age

Regards Tony

 

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Over 40.years all.those Writings were given, is that not longer than Muhammad?

That each book, equivalent to the size of the Quran was given in but 2 days is but a cause of amazement, not rejection.

What a lot of people do not know is that a lot of Revelation given by Baha'u'llah was not recorded and much of it was destroyed, as Baha'u'llah had many Tablets thrown into the river, as humanity was not ready for such Revelation.

Jesus said I have much more to say unto you and then offers about what will come,

John 16:13 "..But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come..."

So that is also offering we will be told much more.

So I offer,

Quran 10:35 "Ask them: 'Are there among ones whom you associate with Allah in His divinity those who can guide to the truth? Say: 'It is Allah alone Who guides to the truth.' Then, who is more worthy to be followed - He Who guides to the truth, or he who cannot find the right way unless others guide him to it? What is wrong with you? How ill do you judge!"

Regards Tony

Salam

You are misunderstanding my point.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

According to hadiths (Shia) Imam Mahdi (a) and Isa (a) are going to kill the Dajjal, if both hadiths are true it means they going double team him and kill him at the same time. According to Shiite hadiths, Satan was not given respite to day of judgment but rather the known time which is the rising of the Qaim (a).

The Bab and Baha'u'llah did indeed slay the Dajjal.

The Dajjal and Anti-Christ manifested in the Bahai age

This is what Baha'u'llah gave an unbreakable Covenant, that is why Covenant Breakers must be cut off from the main body of believers.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Salam

You are misunderstanding my point.

Salam

Ok, Regards Tony

 

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The Quran says there won't remain a person of the people of the book but will believe in Isa (a) before his death.

 

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If you wish to know of the Antichrist of the Baha'i Dispensation then this link can begin to inform. There is much written on this topic.

The Dajjal and Anti-Christ manifested in the Bahai age

Regards Tony

I see the interpretation. It's too dishonest again from Messenger of God Mohammad (s) if true. Why do you think Mohammad (S) and Quran always talk in riddles, what's your reason?

 

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Bro. These people claim the Mehdi and Christ have both come and gone. Then what happened to the Dajjal? They embrace ahadith when it feels good. And some guy here who has no clue about the Bahai faith says some thing about 9 manifestations, but even Krishna is a manifestation of God according to the Bahai faith. Even the Buddha was. People are essentially talking absolutely no sense.

There is a hadith that says when Christ comes, the Dajjal withers away and dies. Bahai's dont know these ahadith.

There is no methodology but the dogmatic blind faith in their website.

Of course the pretence that they have "Studied" all the scripture "In-depth", while no one has.

Sorry but this is a bogus mantra they repeat. "I have studied all scripture in-depth". None of them have. I say that again. None.

One person said that he "studied the Tripitaka" in-depth. But has not even read a single chapter. I mean it. Not even a single chapter. Especially the chapter about the coming of Maitreya. I repeat. NOT even a single chapter.

Another person speaks of an Alif in the Quran and says something about Hamza. He doesnt even know the difference between an Alif and a Hamza, a Mad, or a Madwajib. That was as hilarious as a comedy in the Montessori.

I just wish that people stop pretending to be Gods, and speak truth.

Unbelievable.

They are caught in a web of circumstantial evidence. You can build any belief by this bias process, which is why courts always have a counter lawyer to present something else to the circumstantial evidence. And sometimes the lawyer who is better at manipulating available data wins, even if it's truth or not.

There is no concrete proof for Bahai faith, and they know that. They try to overload you with "evidence", and none of them alone stand. But they feel good by presenting a lot of circumstantial.

The thing is if they believe Shia Islam and Twelve Imams hadiths, then Imam Mahdi (a) is the son of Hassan Al-Akari (a) per Shiite hadiths and it is also the case, if Ahlulbayt (A) are chosen like Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim (a) and are in Quran, that this is the case of what Quran says as well. If they believe in chosen concept of Ahlulbayt and Mahdi being one of the members of this household, then he has to be son of Hassan Al-Askari (a) and I've explained why many times.

We might become impatient. But who knows, they might realize they are caught in this overwhelming amount of conjecture and so one by one have to sort it out their heads. We can help but ultimately, it's up to them to realize this.

They believe in sophistry because that is how Baha'allah talks about seal of Prophets verse (they all each other meaning) and day of judgment. So it's difficult to talk to them, but you got to deal with that paradigm, where words never mean what they mean.

 

[firedragon]

If you wish to know of the Antichrist of the Baha'i Dispensation then this link can begin to inform. There is much written on this topic.

The Dajjal and Anti-Christ manifested in the Bahai age

Regards Tony

I think you should first quote the exact statement in the Tipitaka where the so called Mithri speaks about the Kingdom of God.

And the so called article is absolutely bogus. Ignorant. And its very small. Not comprehensive. This is good for the blind.

Why dont you first substantiate your claim to Maitreya and the kingdom of God as you claimed with the direct quote from Tipitaka?

Thanks.

 

[firedragon]

They are caught in a web of circumstantial evidence.

Brother. Not even circumstantial evidence. Read all of their justifications. Its just their website, while they will claim they have studied all the scripture, they have never studied any scripture.

Watch.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I see the interpretation. It's too dishonest again from Messenger of God Mohammad (s) if true. Why do you think Mohammad (S) and Quran always talk in riddles, what's your reason?

Allah test His servants. Those that say they submit also embrace the tests that such a declaration requires.

How else is the Truth determined from the false?

Quran 29:2 "Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?"

"Even as He hath revealed: ‘Do men think when they say “We believe” they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?’" Bahá’u’lláh, Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 8-9

"..The Almighty hath tried, and will continue to try, his servants, so that light may be distinguished from darkness, truth from falsehood, right from wrong, guidance from error, happiness from misery, and roses from thorns..." Bahá’u’lláh, Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 8-9

Regards Tony

 

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Brother. Not even circumstantial evidence. Read all of their justifications. Its just their website, while they will claim they have studied all the scripture, they have never studied any scripture.

Watch.

I know, and they share hadiths with some much one sided bias among themselves. But inshallah, who knows, only God knows the hearts.