Question to Bahais. The Maitreya.

[firedragon]

However, Allah gives two possibilities in the Quran regarding the Time.
In one case He says, it comes after a period of 50,000 years (see verse 7:4)

No.

In another instance Allah says after a 1000 years period.

Nope.

All false mate. None of these verses say anything of the sort. Made up.

 

[firedragon]

I replied to that in a previous post.

Regards Tony

You replied, but never gave any reference from the Tipitaka. I dont consider that a reply, but a response without anything.

False claim I think so you cannot substantiate it.

 

[firedragon]

Notice that, the Muslims generally think of Day of Judgement as something far, based on the 50,000 years verse.

False claim. I have never heard of this bogus claim you are making about me and my religion. If you are to follow tafsir which will be essential for you to make these false claims, fi yawmin was interpreted to say not "in 50k years" but a "day which is 50k years".

The islamic understanding generally is that this is showing a large period of time and that time is relative, not absolute according to the Qur'an.

You are making up things about people and their beliefs mate. This is just made up.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

False claim. I have never heard of this bogus claim you are making about me and my religion. If you are to follow tafsir which will be essential for you to make these false claims, fi yawmin was interpreted to say not "in 50k years" but a "day which is 50k years".

The islamic understanding generally is that this is showing a large period of time and that time is relative, not absolute according to the Qur'an.

You are making up things about people and their beliefs mate. This is just made up.

Here, this is also another Muslim Member, @MyM confirmed:

God is one Says so from Adam to Mohammad pbuh. Science proves Allah's blessings to mankind if they only take heed and yet we don't need science to prove anything. In Islam, there will come a day, a day of 50,000 years and that day is The Day of Judgement, where everyone will be held accountable for their own actions.


I don't know how you express yourself, but if you need to ask a question can you just ask straight forward?

 

[firedragon]

Here, this is also another Muslim Member, @MyM confirmed:

What? that the world is gonna end in a thousand years or 50 k years?

I thought you pretend to be an Islamic scholar, not a believer "in what a layman muslim says".

Hypocrisy.

 

[MyM]

Here, this is also another Muslim Member, @MyM confirmed:

I don't really know what yall are talkin about but maybe just an ikling....

On the Day of Judgement, time will cease. There will be no circling and rotation of the days to show the difference of timings.

Depending on the judgement of each individual, some will go fast, some will go slow, some will have sweat up to their heads and drowning in it. People will be judged according to how they receive their books. The believers from the right hand, the disbelievers will take their books with their left hands and in saying that some Muslims as well will receive their books with their left hands according to their deeds and actions. (May Allah grant us all forgiveness ameen). The day of judgement will be equivalent to a day of 50,000 years and time will cease on that day. So, in Islam, the day of judgement is what Allah makes of it.

and Allah knows best in all affairs

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What? that the world is gonna end in a thousand years or 50 k years?

I thought you pretend to be an Islamic scholar, not a believer "in what a layman muslim says".

Hypocrisy.

I didn't say that the Quran says "in 50,000 years". If you read my post, I told you, Muslims (incorrectly) think this verse means Day of Resurrection comes 50,000 years later.

 

[firedragon]

I didn't say that the Quran says "in 50,000 years". If you read my post, I told you, Muslims (incorrectly) think this verse means Day of Resurrection comes 50,000 years later.

Which muslims? Please quote proper scholarship and consensus or what ever you mean by "Muslims believe".

Try to do some real studies than making random assumptions and pretending that's fact. Ill wait for your study.

Cheers.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Which muslims? Please quote proper scholarship and consensus or what ever you mean by "Muslims believe".

Try to do some real studies than making random assumptions and pretending that's fact. Ill wait for your study.

Cheers.

Well, Muslims do not agree on many things! They have been arguing with each other for more than a 1000 years.
Either way, I have seen even many Muslims saying End of the World is when the sun looses its light, and according to science that is more several billion years. So, the fact is, the Muslims very often think of the Day of Judgement as something very far, as the verse in Quran clearly says that.

 

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Well, Muslims do not agree on many things! They have been arguing with each other for more than a 1000 years.
Either way, I have seen even many Muslims saying End of the World is when the sun looses its light, and according to science that is more several billion years. So, the fact is, the Muslims very often think of the Day of Judgement as something very far, as the verse in Quran clearly says that.

No Muslim says this. He's right you are making up things.

Moreover the verse is about how long day of judgment is, not when it starts. Life is like just fast minute compared to the length of day of judgment let alone the next world which is forever.

This is the point God is telling us on day of judgment, even kids will become old in another verse. The day of judgment is extremely long. And no one interprets to mean when it is because the Arabic is describing the length.

The first verse you quoted about 1000 is about how long ascension takes place to God, then after, the rest of day of judgment plays out (50000 years).

 

[MyM]

I didn't say that the Quran says "in 50,000 years". If you read my post, I told you, Muslims (incorrectly) think this verse means Day of Resurrection comes 50,000 years later.

The tafsir of these ayats are not how you are interpreting them.

Reported by Ibn Abi Haatim via Sammaak from Ikrimah from Ibn Abbaas (ibn abbaas was one of the ones that Mohammad pbuh told to study the Quran): the day of a thousand years mentioned in Surtal-Hajj is one of the six days in which Allah created the heavens and the earth; the day of a thousand years mentioned. In Suratal Sujdah, the day of 50,000 years is talking about the day of judgement. Also, is that what is meant is the Day of Resurrection, and the difference in the time span depends on whether a person is a believer or a disbeliever.

Truly that Day will be a Hard Day, far from easy for the disbelievers. al-Muddaththir 74:9-10

And Allah knows best.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

No Muslim says this. He's right you are making up things.

Moreover the verse is about how long day of judgment is, not when it starts. Life is like just fast minute compared to the length of day of judgment let alone the next world which is forever.

This is the point God is telling us on day of judgment, even kids will become old in another verse. The day of judgment is extremely long. And no one interprets to mean when it is because the Arabic is describing the length.

The first verse you quoted about 1000 is about how long ascension takes place to God, then after, the rest of day of judgment plays out (50000 years).

We did not go around the world to know, that No Muslims think that the verse means what. They are from various sects, and have many opinions.

But for Bahais the Fifty Thousands years is passed.


The Báb—may my life be offered up for Him—hath confirmed that the events of the Great Resurrection, which were to take place on the day that is reckoned as “fifty thousand years”, occurred in less than the twinkling of an eye."

Light of the World | Bahá’í Reference Library

So, Bahai scriptures makes Quran clear, just as the Quran made Bible misinterpretation clear.


According to Muhammad when Day of Resurrection comes, the event will happen very fast, so that year passes just as flare of fire:

"The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until (religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious learned men), earthquakes will be very frequent, time will pass quickly, afflictions will appear, murders will increase and money will overflow amongst you. (Bukhari)



"The hour shall not be established until time is constricted, and the year is like a month, a month is like the week, and the week is like the day, and the day is like the hour, and the hour is like the flare of the fire."


So, when Bab said fifty thousands years passed in a twinkling of an eye, it confirms the Hadithes were true.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The tafsir of these ayats are not how you are interpreting them.

Reported by Ibn Abi Haatim via Sammaak from Ikrimah from Ibn Abbaas (ibn abbaas was one of the ones that Mohammad pbuh told to study the Quran): the day of a thousand years mentioned in Surtal-Hajj is one of the six days in which Allah created the heavens and the earth; the day of a thousand years mentioned. In Suratal Sujdah, the day of 50,000 years is talking about the day of judgement. Also, is that what is meant is the Day of Resurrection, and the difference in the time span depends on whether a person is a believer or a disbeliever.

Truly that Day will be a Hard Day, far from easy for the disbelievers. al-Muddaththir 74:9-10

And Allah knows best.

So, what is the 1000 years about?

 

[Link]

The tafsir of these ayats are not how you are interpreting them.

Reported by Ibn Abi Haatim via Sammaak from Ikrimah from Ibn Abbaas (ibn abbaas was one of the ones that Mohammad pbuh told to study the Quran): the day of a thousand years mentioned in Surtal-Hajj is one of the six days in which Allah created the heavens and the earth; the day of a thousand years mentioned. In Suratal Sujdah, the day of 50,000 years is talking about the day of judgement. Also, is that what is meant is the Day of Resurrection, and the difference in the time span depends on whether a person is a believer or a disbeliever.

Truly that Day will be a Hard Day, far from easy for the disbelievers. al-Muddaththir 74:9-10

And Allah knows best.

Salam

Your explanation makes sense, this might be also how a day with God in high council takes a thousands years, while, that day takes place with us as one day, and so it's about relative time, one with God's forces in high council (slow) and with us fast:

وَيَسْتَعْجِلُونَكَ بِالْعَذَابِ وَلَنْ يُخْلِفَ اللَّهُ وَعْدَهُ ۚ وَإِنَّ يَوْمًا عِنْدَ رَبِّكَ كَأَلْفِ سَنَةٍ مِمَّا تَعُدُّونَ | They ask you to hasten the punishment, though Allah will never break His promise. Indeed a day with your Lord is like a thousand years by your reckoning. | Al-Hajj : 47


Just like time was relative with companions of the cave.

While this verse says:

تَعْرُجُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ وَالرُّوحُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ خَمْسِينَ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ | The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose span is fifty thousand years. | Al-Ma'aarij : 4


This means day of judgment, and so it's talking about two different things.

 

[MyM]

We did not go around the world to know, that No Muslims think that the verse means what. They are from various sects, and have many opinions.

But for Bahais the Fifty Thousands years is passed.


The Báb—may my life be offered up for Him—hath confirmed that the events of the Great Resurrection, which were to take place on the day that is reckoned as “fifty thousand years”, occurred in less than the twinkling of an eye."

Light of the World | Bahá’í Reference Library

So, Bahai scriptures makes Quran clear, just as the Quran made Bible misinterpretation clear.


According to Muhammad when Day of Resurrection comes, the event will happen very fast, so that year passes just as flare of fire:

"The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until (religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious learned men), earthquakes will be very frequent, time will pass quickly, afflictions will appear, murders will increase and money will overflow amongst you. (Bukhari)



"The hour shall not be established until time is constricted, and the year is like a month, a month is like the week, and the week is like the day, and the day is like the hour, and the hour is like the flare of the fire."


So, when Bab said fifty thousands years passed in a twinkling of an eye, it confirms the Hadithes were true.

Who is this Bab???? Where is this related to in Islam? Mohammad pbuh didn't mention him nor did Allah in the Quran.

The time of the day of judgement, NO ONE KNOWS THE TIME, and yes, through authenticated ahadith, it is known and signs appear before the day of judgement is to happen. There are minor, major signs we are to look out for and then the hour will be upon us before we know it. No one is disputing those ahadith that you quoted. They are authentic. It's how you are interpreting the aya that needs to be addressed.

And Allah knows best

 

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We did not go around the world to know, that No Muslims think that the verse means what. They are from various sects, and have many opinions.

But for Bahais the Fifty Thousands years is passed.


The Báb—may my life be offered up for Him—hath confirmed that the events of the Great Resurrection, which were to take place on the day that is reckoned as “fifty thousand years”, occurred in less than the twinkling of an eye."

Light of the World | Bahá’í Reference Library

So, Bahai scriptures makes Quran clear, just as the Quran made Bible misinterpretation clear.


According to Muhammad when Day of Resurrection comes, the event will happen very fast, so that year passes just as flare of fire:

"The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until (religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious learned men), earthquakes will be very frequent, time will pass quickly, afflictions will appear, murders will increase and money will overflow amongst you. (Bukhari)



"The hour shall not be established until time is constricted, and the year is like a month, a month is like the week, and the week is like the day, and the day is like the hour, and the hour is like the flare of the fire."


So, when Bab said fifty thousands years passed in a twinkling of an eye, it confirms the Hadithes were true.

Bahai text makes Quran and Sunnah into pure sophistry. It doesn't make it clear, it makes everything into riddles. God is the refuge from people who religion is a game and play thing.

 

[MyM]

Bahai text makes Quran and Sunnah into pure sophistry. It doesn't make it clear, it makes everything into riddles. God is the refuge from people who religion is a game and play thing.

am just curious as to where this Bab came into being.

 

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Salam

Your explanation makes sense, this might be also how a day with God in high council takes a thousands years, while, that day takes place with us as one day, and so it's about relative time, one with God's forces in high council (slow) and with us fast:

وَيَسْتَعْجِلُونَكَ بِالْعَذَابِ وَلَنْ يُخْلِفَ اللَّهُ وَعْدَهُ ۚ وَإِنَّ يَوْمًا عِنْدَ رَبِّكَ كَأَلْفِ سَنَةٍ مِمَّا تَعُدُّونَ | They ask you to hasten the punishment, though Allah will never break His promise. Indeed a day with your Lord is like a thousand years by your reckoning. | Al-Hajj : 47


Just like time was relative with companions of the cave.

While this verse says:

تَعْرُجُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ وَالرُّوحُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ خَمْسِينَ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ | The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose span is fifty thousand years. | Al-Ma'aarij : 4


This means day of judgment, and so it's talking about two different things.

So:

يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِمَّا تَعُدُّونَ | He directs the command from the heaven to the earth; then it ascends toward Him in a day whose span is a thousand years by your reckoning. | As-Sajda : 5

This maybe about how God manages each day, so one day for us is a thousand years with the Spirit of God's command and Angels. It comes down as a day to us, but the ascension of works and actions towards God and heaven is a thousand years each day.

So one day (we experience) is a thousand years with spirit of his command (Imam) and Angels.

 

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am just curious as to where this Bab came into being.

He claimed he was door to Mahdi because of Shaykhi movement to connect to Imam Mahdi and was power hungry. He then claimed because he had no proof in form of miracles, and nothing to prove his way, that his works were Revelation from God. Then went on to claim he is the Mahdi.

 

[MyM]

So:

يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِي يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِمَّا تَعُدُّونَ | He directs the command from the heaven to the earth; then it ascends toward Him in a day whose span is a thousand years by your reckoning. | As-Sajda : 5

This maybe about how God manages each day, so one day for us is a thousand years with the Spirit of God's command and Angels. It comes down as a day to us, but the ascension of works and actions towards God and heaven is a thousand years each day.

yes a day can be the space of 1000 in relation to Allah's timing...very true...guess I was thinkin somethin else ...dunno why I went to creation part but that was correct too lool