Religion and homosexuality

[lupus]

Maybe I am just tired, but are you saying people who are pro gay marriage and anti dog fighting are caring more about dogs then about peoples health? If so, that would imply you somehow consider that people that accept that they are gay damage their own body more then hetros... which is not true.

The notion of marriage is hardly made worthless because gay people can marry. It actually makes the notion worth more, since it means marriage may finally be a union between two people who truly loves each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, no matter what sex they are of.

Damn right! But then Little Nipper has already made it very clear that the only reason people should get married is to produce children and add to the population of our already vastly over populated world. Obviously this way of thinking is so much better for producing well rounded human beings than teaching children that people should be together because they love one another. :sarcastic

I have to say I've never quite understood the obsession certain people have with the actual sexual act in homosexual relationships - do they focus so obsessively about what goes on in a hetro marriage/relationship? I realise that Little Nipper's wife is perfectly happy being a baby machine who only gets 'attention' to populate the world but some of us like the companionship, tenderness and pleasure that being part of a couple gives you. My best friend at college many moons ago was gay - we both had a 'Keifer Sutherland in Lost Boys' obsession! - and he has been with his other half longer than I have been with mine. After 26 years the relationship they have has as much to do with the sexual act as the average 20-odd year marriage....just a nice addition to their lives. Thankfully we both live in a country where gay marriage is permitted and I was thrilled to be matron of honour at his wedding last summer! Notice i say 'marriage'....it may say 'civil partnership' on the certificate (which I think is pathetic) but he now has a husband and we were invited to his 'wedding'. :yes:

 

[Mr Cheese]

I have to say I've never quite understood the obsession certain people have with the actual sexual act in homosexual relationships - do they focus so obsessively about what goes on in a hetro marriage/relationship?

I have a theory that, homophobes are scared of another man's penis
I'm not attracted to them, but nor am I scared....

 

[LittleNipper]

Bad news, Little--the Nazi's were on your side. They were anti-gay too. They didn't just kill Jews; they killed gay people too.

And you are afraid to hear the truth. THe Nazi were anti-Christian. They attempted to paganize it with their Aryan race crap.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I have a theory that, homophobes are scared of another man's penis

I not only think this theory holds water, but, in many cases, it is also quite clear that the root of this fear is caused by self-generated anxiety due to simultaneous feelings of sexual attraction to penises, and feelings of guilt and self-disgust due to an indoctrinated aversion to homosexuality.

 

[Autodidact]

And you are afraid to hear the truth. THe Nazi were anti-Christian. They attempted to paganize it with their Aryan race crap.

I didn't say they were Christian. What I said was, like you, they were anti-gay. They're on your side.

 

[darkendless]

And you are afraid to hear the truth. THe Nazi were anti-Christian. They attempted to paganize it with their Aryan race crap.

They did not are you serious?

The official 3rd Reich Church was very Christian.

 

[McBell]

And you would encourage marrige to be more screwed up so those who have developed sexual fettishs can get married and feel like normal?

More screwed up?
What are you talking about?

What does having fetishes have to with marriage?
Believe it or not, you do not have to be married to have sex.
So you do not have to be married to fulfill any sexual fetish.

You harp on and on about marriage but the truth of it all is that marriage is nothing more than a legal contract.

All the flash, glitter, ceremony, importance, sanctity, etc. is nothing more than window dressing to make the legal contract look pretty.

 

[Witch of Hope]

Some time ago I read a comic Strip. In it a fundamentalist Christian required the ban of marriages for homosexuals, closing abortion medical clinics and still something more. A non-Christian said, she wouldn't have the right to force her faith upon other people. After that the Christian believed that the other woman PURSUED her to WAYS OF HER FAITH!
The Diskission seems so similarly to me meanwhile here.
A Christian family from Germany recently emigrated, all fundamentalist, and applied in Tennessee for asylum because they were pursued in Germany "religiously". What had happened? In Germany there is a compulsory education. It is forbidden to teach children at home, even if the parents were teacher. Only under quite rare exceptions it is permitted (possibly with long illness of a child). These parents wanted to educate their children after fundamentalist principles, so also after the apprenticeships of the Bible, in such a way, as they understand it:

Subordination of the woman and the children under the man
Homosexuality is a sin
God created the earth, and not the evolution
Abortion is killing

And these are only some of the "apprenticeships" of the church of these people. In the German basic law somewhat stands of the fact which all German citizens are responsible compared with the German laws. These fundamentalists didn't want this, and went away. What I found, nevertheless, so bad, was that what the judge in Tennessee said which accepted their application, said. I would like to say to him: "German law is valid for German citizens, and not American law, judge!!!!"

 

[Apex]

Some time ago I read a comic Strip. In it a fundamentalist Christian required the ban of marriages for homosexuals, closing abortion medical clinics and still something more. A non-Christian said, she wouldn't have the right to force her faith upon other people. After that the Christian believed that the other woman PURSUED her to WAYS OF HER FAITH!
The Diskission seems so similarly to me meanwhile here.
A Christian family from Germany recently emigrated, all fundamentalist, and applied in Tennessee for asylum because they were pursued in Germany "religiously". What had happened? In Germany there is a compulsory education. It is forbidden to teach children at home, even if the parents were teacher. Only under quite rare exceptions it is permitted (possibly with long illness of a child). These parents wanted to educate their children after fundamentalist principles, so also after the apprenticeships of the Bible, in such a way, as they understand it:

Subordination of the woman and the children under the man
Homosexuality is a sin
God created the earth, and not the evolution
Abortion is killing

And these are only some of the "apprenticeships" of the church of these people. In the German basic law somewhat stands of the fact which all German citizens are responsible compared with the German laws. These fundamentalists didn't want this, and went away. What I found, nevertheless, so bad, was that what the judge in Tennessee said which accepted their application, said. I would like to say to him: "German law is valid for German citizens, and not American law, judge!!!!"

So people should not be allowed to move somewhere they find more accepting?

 

[Kerr]

So people should not be allowed to move somewhere they find more accepting?

Of course, but it is not them that are pursued or discriminated or anything, it is them not accepting the laws of the society they live in.

 

[LittleNipper]

Damn right! But then Little Nipper has already made it very clear that the only reason people should get married is to produce children and add to the population of our already vastly over populated world. Obviously this way of thinking is so much better for producing well rounded human beings than teaching children that people should be together because they love one another. :sarcastic

I have to say I've never quite understood the obsession certain people have with the actual sexual act in homosexual relationships - do they focus so obsessively about what goes on in a hetro marriage/relationship? I realise that Little Nipper's wife is perfectly happy being a baby machine who only gets 'attention' to populate the world but some of us like the companionship, tenderness and pleasure that being part of a couple gives you. My best friend at college many moons ago was gay - we both had a 'Keifer Sutherland in Lost Boys' obsession! - and he has been with his other half longer than I have been with mine. After 26 years the relationship they have has as much to do with the sexual act as the average 20-odd year marriage....just a nice addition to their lives. Thankfully we both live in a country where gay marriage is permitted and I was thrilled to be matron of honour at his wedding last summer! Notice i say 'marriage'....it may say 'civil partnership' on the certificate (which I think is pathetic) but he now has a husband and we were invited to his 'wedding'. :yes:

The over population of the world is highly overblown. The reality is that the entire population of the world could fit into Wales.
You can put about 4 people in one square meter. That is 4 mil in a sq km. Wales is about 21 000 sq km. So you can fit 84 bill people in Wales.

Homosexuals spend far too much time looking at outward appearences... And if this guy has a "husband, " then what is he.............?

 

[Demonic Kitten]

The over population of the world is highly overblown. The reality is that the entire population of the world could fit into Wales.
You can put about 4 people in one square meter. That is 4 mil in a sq km. Wales is about 21 000 sq km. So you can fit 84 bill people in Wales.

Sources?

Homosexuals spend far too much time looking at outward appearences... And if this guy has a "husband, " then what is he.............?

He's happy...why can't you just leave it at that.

 

[LittleNipper]

I didn't say they were Christian. What I said was, like you, they were anti-gay. They're on your side.

What they said they were and what they were are entirely two different things. When I was a kid, we already heard the stories concerning Gestapo and the SS atrocities. They were sadistic to say the very least. And the hint that homosexuality was practised among at some of those in athority was not a surprise...

I am not anti people. I am against the promotion of sin to the level of an ideal.

 

[Tristesse]

What they said they were and what they were are entirely two different things. When I was a kid, we already heard the stories concerning Gestapo and the SS atrocities. They were sadistic to say the very least. And the hint that homosexuality was practised among at some of those in athority was not a surprise...

I am not anti people. I am against the promotion of sin to the level of an ideal.

How many homosexuals have you killed? According to your bible you are to stone them to death. Unless of course you don't take that part literally.

 

[Storm]

The over population of the world is highly overblown. The reality is that the entire population of the world could fit into Wales.
You can put about 4 people in one square meter. That is 4 mil in a sq km. Wales is about 21 000 sq km. So you can fit 84 bill people in Wales.

If we didn't have to move or eat, sure.

 

[Mr Cheese]

The over population of the world is highly overblown. The reality is that the entire population of the world could fit into Wales.
You can put about 4 people in one square meter. That is 4 mil in a sq km. Wales is about 21 000 sq km. So you can fit 84 bill people in Wales.

Homosexuals spend far too much time looking at outward appearences... And if this guy has a "husband, " then what is he.............?

this is of course more garbage

this does not take into account food and other resources required.
If we KILLED everyone on the planet...then they could all fit in Wales...
and everythign would be dandy.

Sadly everyone is not dead....

once again your assertion is another pile of steaming dingo poop

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If we didn't have to move or eat, sure.

Even better than that, actually: I'm sure we could get many times more than 84 billion people into Wales if we were to stack people like cordwood.

However, either way, it would pose significant challenges for the organizers of Rally GB.

 

[Watchmen]

You're right - it may have been a mistake to assume that you tithe. Do you?

You're also right that we don't have your knowledge of how LDS Church budgets work. Could you tell us which accounts would have been used for payroll for the staff who spent paid time on the Prop 8 campaign, or how these accounts are funded? Could you tell us who pays for the meeting house satellite dishes that were used to receive the Church simulcasts on Prop 8? Who paid for the satellite time for these broadcasts?


I disagree. If you say that you didn't support the campaign directly, I have no reason to disbelieve you, but I strongly doubt that when a person made a tithe or a general donation to the LDS Church, none of that money went into fighting same-sex marriage.

I stand by my answer. While it's possible some tithing funds were used for things such as satellite time, that is hardly the same as donating money to prevent her from getting married. For one thing, I didn't prevent anything - she did get married. In fact, we celebrated it and used it as a teaching opportunity! For another, the principle way members donated resources was by giving money to Protect Marriage - an organization in existence before the LDS church became involved. I did not contribute. I also skipped church and/or walked out when the discussion turned to Prop 8. I also spoke to LDS friends about my POV. So, you see, I did not donate money that prevented her from getting married.

You guys have a funny way of showing support to those who are trying to help you. It's like asking whether you gave money that killed some child in Iraq.

 

[Kerr]

What they said they were and what they were are entirely two different things. When I was a kid, we already heard the stories concerning Gestapo and the SS atrocities. They were sadistic to say the very least.

Yep, and homosexual was one of the groups they where sadistic against.

And the hint that homosexuality was practised among at some of those in athority was not a surprise...

Even if they did practice homosexuality, far more of them practiced hetrosexuality. Homosexuality has nothing to do what happened in back then.

I am not anti people. I am against the promotion of sin to the level of an ideal.

In order for someone to promote a sin as an ideal it has to be a sin first. And of course, some of us do not promote it or call it an ideal, we just do not condemn it and say there is nothing wrong with it. There is a difference.

 

[Kerr]

Homosexuals spend far too much time looking at outward appearences... And if this guy has a "husband, " then what is he.............?

A husband.