Richard Dawkins hasn't read the Quran yet.

[Sees]

The question still stands

Which one, or two if you wish - are the greatest source of bad/evil in the world today i.e. intolerance, oppression, fear, violence, etc.

No need to name a state or nation.

First we should know that Islam (as way of life) isn't applied in any Muslim country except in Iran to some degree.

The quran isn't for war but for guidance and picking one verse out of its context is just a silly attempt to distort the actual meaning of it.

Many people had read the quran with the intention to understand it and found it to be a sort of guidance.

We may realize the effect of Islam in between the years 630-1400.
Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Back to the years of Arabs before Islam (prior to Mohammed's revelation)
The Dark Period Of Jahiliyya

I believe it is the media that portrait Islam as an evil.

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An Atheist defending Quran and Islam !!

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They told me Islam from the devil

 

[idav]

Then it would follow that it would be a good thing to point out the evil things in the false Islamic countries. So if someone would say that Islam is evil and have those false Islamic countries in mind, the true Muslims should join forces and make sure the false Muslims are corrected (without violence of course and only using methods of reasoning). Which means, it's not bad after all that Dawkins call Islam evil. It will make the true believers correct the false ones and get their religion on track on goodness. So why the sour face then?

I have heard this argument before. That some countries are just doing Islam wrong. Well years and years of this and still same things happening. I dont see islam going after their own anytime soon cause they are not infidels. I am sure that any person claiming Islam would say they are practicing correct and its others who are wrong.

 

[Sees]

I have heard this argument before. That some countries are just doing Islam wrong. Well years and years of this and still same things happening. I dont see islam going after their own anytime soon cause they are not infidels. I am sure that any person claiming Islam would say they are practicing correct and its others who are wrong.

If there was a full-blown Islamic nation today the world would be in even more shock.

It's not the fluffy love religion FearGod and some others like to present. If any state/nation in the West became this ideal Islamic nation you would see true freedom of speech, religion, sexual preference, deciding you no longer wish to be a Muslim, bikinis on the beach.... all would go bye, bye. Women's rights would be much different to say the least.

Theocratic nations suck, Islamic ones are not better than Judeo-Christian ones of the past.

The unspoken truth from fluffy Muslims is that it's a duty to god to make all nations Islamic theocracies, god willing. The Hadith are not any more pleasant than the Qur'an but it is not usually suggested non-believers read them for various reasons. Islamic nations are even more so dictated by the hadith and what clerics in power decide.

 

[Sees]

No, it is only Islamic by name.

If Islam will return then you won't see a prostitute selling her body to feed herself and her family, you won't see people dying of hunger while others put their excess foods in the garbage.

It is the message of unity, love and peace for one united world, no borders and no part should be regarded to be better than the other.

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Hadith: Return of the Khilafah - YouTube

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The Prophet Muhammad's Last Sermon - YouTube

This type of Islam presenting words of "unity, love, peace" is a Trojan horse if there ever was one. It's presenting the heads side of a quarter without showing the tail. What would a true Islamic nation be like for people who are not People of the Book? Being all spiritual and showing kindness and talking about love of God is half the story. The "my way or the highway" is not spoken of. Moderate and liberal Muslims don't represent the true spirit of Islam, right or wrong?

 

[FearGod]

The question still stands

Which one, or two if you wish - are the greatest source of bad/evil in the world today i.e. intolerance, oppression, fear, violence, etc.

No need to name a state or nation.

To say one religion is evil looks to me childish and unscientific.

I can't say for instance Judaism is the greatest evil or Atheism..etc

Why he didn't say Judaism is the greatest evil and the Talmud teachings is a great evidence for it.



Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud

The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Jews are Divine:

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status:

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:

Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean ... "

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Reference : A Closer Look at the Talmud

 

[CMike]

To say one religion is evil looks to me childish and unscientific.

I can't say for instance Judaism is the greatest evil or Atheism..etc

Why he didn't say Judaism is the greatest evil and the Talmud teachings is a great evidence for it.



Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud

The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Jews are Divine:

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status:

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:

Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean ... "

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Reference : A Closer Look at the Talmud

This is nonsense that is made up from a site that hates jews.

It comes from evil people who deliberately misquote passages and/or take them out of context.

Below are two links that talk about the issue.

Misquoting the Talmud: Oral Law – General Response on Ask the Rabbi

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Below is from the second link.



[SIZE=+1]Alleged Racism In The Talmud[/SIZE]
Gentiles Are Human: The Talmud does not consider gentiles to be sub-human
Gentiles Are Human 2: The Talmud does not consider gentiles to be animals
Stealing From Gentiles: The Talmud forbids stealing from gentiles
Paying A Gentile's Wages: The Talmud prohibits Jews from withholding a gentile's wages
Tricking Gentiles: The Talmud forbids lying to gentiles
Killing Gentiles: The Talmud prohibits killing gentiles
Various Accusations: Refuting various accusations against the Talmud[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Christianity In The Talmud[/SIZE]
Introduction
Jesus In The Talmud: What, if anything, does the Talmud say about Jesus?
The Jesus Narrative: Does the Talmud's narrative of events correspond or differ from the Gospels'?
Christianity: What does the Talmud have to say about Christianity in general?
[SIZE=+1]Jewish Holidays[/SIZE]
Blood Libel: Jews never eat blood
Passover: The Passover Haggadah is not racist
Kol Nidrei: Permission to deceive?[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Immorality In The Talmud[/SIZE]
<A href="http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/three.html">The Talmud Does Not Permit Sex With A Three Year Old
Sexual Morality in the Talmud: The Talmud's prudence
Rabbi Eleazar and the Prostitutes: The Full Story[SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Miscellaneous[/SIZE]
Schindler's List: The source of the disputed quotation
Israel Shahak's Lie: "A Modern Blood Libel" by Rabbi Dr. Immanuel Jakobovits, former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire (Offsite)
"In The Image Of G-d": Gentiles are created in the image of G-d
"Goy": Is it a derogatory term used by Jews about gentiles?
Rabbi Soloveitchik: Refuting the slander against him
Ethics Of The Fathers: The section of the Mishnah dedicated to the favorite ethical sayings of the sages
Related Links

 

[Sees]

I'm glad you at least picked one. So Judaism is the biggest source for evil actions today out of all religious cultures...I would disagree.

It's not wrong to consider which groups or organizations are the biggest source of evil and greatest threat to life as we prefer... It's intelligence. It's foolish to give dangerous things a pass and pretend they are not dangerous or have great potential to harm.

To say one religion is evil looks to me childish and unscientific.

I can't say for instance Judaism is the greatest evil or Atheism..etc

Why he didn't say Judaism is the greatest evil and the Talmud teachings is a great evidence for it.



Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud

The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Jews are Divine:

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status:

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:

Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean ... "

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:

Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Reference : A Closer Look at the Talmud

 

[FearGod]

This is nonsense that is made up from a site that hates jews.

It comes from evil people who deliberately misquote passages and/or take them out of context.

Below are two links that talk about the issue.

Misquoting the Talmud: Oral Law &ndash; General Response on Ask the Rabbi

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Below is from the second link.



[SIZE=+1]Alleged Racism In The Talmud[/SIZE]
Gentiles Are Human: The Talmud does not consider gentiles to be sub-human
Gentiles Are Human 2: The Talmud does not consider gentiles to be animals
Stealing From Gentiles: The Talmud forbids stealing from gentiles
Paying A Gentile's Wages: The Talmud prohibits Jews from withholding a gentile's wages
Tricking Gentiles: The Talmud forbids lying to gentiles
Killing Gentiles: The Talmud prohibits killing gentiles
Various Accusations: Refuting various accusations against the Talmud[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Christianity In The Talmud[/SIZE]
Introduction
Jesus In The Talmud: What, if anything, does the Talmud say about Jesus?
The Jesus Narrative: Does the Talmud's narrative of events correspond or differ from the Gospels'?
Christianity: What does the Talmud have to say about Christianity in general?
[SIZE=+1]Jewish Holidays[/SIZE]
Blood Libel: Jews never eat blood
Passover: The Passover Haggadah is not racist
Kol Nidrei: Permission to deceive?[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Immorality In The Talmud[/SIZE]
<A href="http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/three.html">The Talmud Does Not Permit Sex With A Three Year Old
Sexual Morality in the Talmud: The Talmud's prudence
Rabbi Eleazar and the Prostitutes: The Full Story[SIZE=+1][/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Miscellaneous[/SIZE]
Schindler's List: The source of the disputed quotation
Israel Shahak's Lie: "A Modern Blood Libel" by Rabbi Dr. Immanuel Jakobovits, former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire (Offsite)
"In The Image Of G-d": Gentiles are created in the image of G-d
"Goy": Is it a derogatory term used by Jews about gentiles?
Rabbi Soloveitchik: Refuting the slander against him
Ethics Of The Fathers: The section of the Mishnah dedicated to the favorite ethical sayings of the sages
Related Links

I didn't say that Judaism is the greatest evil because of the Talmud teachings but I just presented it as an example and you defended Judaism in a glance whereas you didn't do the same for Islam.

 

[CMike]

Yeah...jewish commandments are terrible.

Love and Brotherhood

1. To love all human beings who are of the covenant (Lev. 19:18) (CCA60). See Love and Brotherhood.
2. Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16) (CCN82). See Love and Brotherhood.
3. Not to wrong any one in speech (Lev. 25:17) (CCN48). See Speech and Lashon Ha-Ra.
4. Not to carry tales (Lev. 19:16) (CCN77). See Speech and Lashon Ha-Ra.
5. Not to cherish hatred in one's heart (Lev. 19:17) (CCN78). See Love and Brotherhood.
6. Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18) (CCN80).
7. Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18) (CCN81).
8. Not to put any Jew to shame (Lev. 19:17) (CCN79).
9. Not to curse any other Israelite (Lev. 19:14) (by implication: if you may not curse those who cannot hear, you certainly may not curse those who can) (CCN45).
10. Not to give occasion to the simple-minded to stumble on the road (Lev. 19:14) (this includes doing anything that will cause another to sin) (CCN76).
11. To rebuke the sinner (Lev. 19:17) (CCA72).
12. To relieve a neighbor of his burden and help to unload his beast (Ex. 23:5) (CCA70). See Love and Brotherhood.
13. To assist in replacing the load upon a neighbor's beast (Deut. 22:4) (CCA71). See Love and Brotherhood.
14. Not to leave a beast, that has fallen down beneath its burden, unaided (Deut. 22:4) (CCN183). See Love and Brotherhood.

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
The Poor and Unfortunate

1. Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21) (CCN51).
2. Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22) (negative) (CCI6).
3. To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI1).
4. Not to gather gleanings (the ears that have fallen to the ground while reaping) (Lev. 19:9) (negative) (CCI7).
5. To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI2).
6. Not to gather ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI8).
7. To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21) (affirmative) (CCI3).
8. Not to gather the peret (grapes) that have fallen to the ground (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI9).
9. To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10) (affirmative) (CCI4).
10. Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut. 24:19) This applies to all fruit trees (Deut. 24:20) (negative) (CC10).
11. To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20) (affirmative) (CCI5).
12. Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7) (CCN62). See Tzedakah: Charity.
13. To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11) (CCA38). See Tzedakah: Charity.

Treatment of Gentiles

1. To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19) (CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.
2. Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20) (CCN49).
3. Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20) (CCN50).
4. To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3) (affirmative).

Marriage, Divorce and Family

1. To honor father and mother (Ex. 20:12) (CCA41).
2. Not to smite a father or a mother (Ex. 21:15) (CCN44).
3. Not to curse a father or mother (Ex. 21:17) (CCN46).
4. To reverently fear father and mother (Lev. 19:3) (CCA42).
5. To be fruitful and multiply (Gen. 1:28) (CCA43).
6. That a eunuch shall not marry a daughter of Israel (Deut. 23:2) (CCN136).
7. That a mamzer shall not marry the daughter of a Jew (Deut. 23:3) (CCN137). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.
8. That an Ammonite or Moabite shall never marry the daughter of an Israelite (Deut. 23:4) (negative).
9. Not to exclude a descendant of Esau from the community of Israel for three generations (Deut. 23:8-9) (negative).
10. Not to exclude an Egyptian from the community of Israel for three generations (Deut. 23:8-9) (negative).
11. That there shall be no harlot (in Israel); that is, that there shall be no intercourse with a woman, without previous marriage with a deed of marriage and formal declaration of marriage (Deut. 23:18) (CCN133). See Marriage.
12. To take a wife by kiddushin, the sacrament of marriage (Deut. 24:1) (CCA44). See The Process of Marriage: Kiddushin and Nisuin.
13. That the newly married husband shall (be free) for one year to rejoice with his wife (Deut. 24:5) (affirmative).
14. That a bridegroom shall be exempt for a whole year from taking part in any public labor, such as military service, guarding the wall and similar duties (Deut. 24:5) (negative).
15. Not to withhold food, clothing or conjugal rights from a wife (Ex. 21:10) (CCN42). See The Marital Relationship.
16. That the woman suspected of adultery shall be dealt with as prescribed in the Torah (Num. 5:30) (affirmative).
17. That one who defames his wife's honor (by falsely accusing her of unchastity before marriage) must live with her all his lifetime (Deut. 22:19) (affirmative).
18. That a man may not divorce his wife concerning whom he has published an evil report (about her unchastity before marriage) (Deut. 22:19) (negative).
19. To divorce by a formal written document (Deut. 24:1) (affirmative). See The Process of Obtaining a Divorce.
20. That one who divorced his wife shall not remarry her, if after the divorce she had been married to another man (Deut. 24:4) (CCN134). See Divorce.
21. That a widow whose husband died childless must not be married to anyone but her deceased husband's brother (Deut. 25:5) (CCN135) (this is only in effect insofar as it requires the procedure of release below).
22. To marry the widow of a brother who has died childless (Deut. 25:5) (this is only in effect insofar as it requires the procedure of release below ) (CCA45).
23. That the widow formally release the brother-in-law (if he refuses to marry her) (Deut. 25:7-9) (CCA46).

Business Practices

1. Not to do wrong in buying or selling (Lev. 25:14) (CCN47).
2. Not to make a loan to an Israelite on interest (Lev. 25:37) (CCN54).
3. Not to borrow on interest (Deut. 23:20) (because this would cause the lender to sin) (CCN55).
4. Not to take part in any usurious transaction between borrower and lender, neither as a surety, nor as a witness, nor as a writer of the bond for them (Ex. 22:24) (CCN53).
5. To lend to a poor person (Ex. 22:24) (even though the passage says "if you lend" it is understood as obligatory) (CCA62).
6. Not to demand from a poor man repayment of his debt, when the creditor knows that he cannot pay, nor press him (Ex. 22:24) (CCN52).
7. Not to take in pledge utensils used in preparing food (Deut. 24:6) (CCN58).
8. Not to exact a pledge from a debtor by force (Deut. 24:10) (CCN59).
9. Not to keep the pledge from its owner at the time when he needs it (Deut. 24:12) (CCN61).
10. To return a pledge to its owner (Deut. 24:13) (CCA63).
11. Not to take a pledge from a widow (Deut. 24:17) (CCN60).
12. Not to commit fraud in measuring (Lev. 19:35) (CCN83).
13. To ensure that scales and weights are correct (Lev. 19:36) (affirmative).
14. Not to possess inaccurate measures and weights (Deut. 25:13-14) (CCN84).

Employees, Servants and Slaves

1. Not to delay payment of a hired man's wages (Lev. 19:13) (CCN38).
2. That the hired laborer shall be permitted to eat of the produce he is reaping (Deut. 23:25-26) (CCA65).
3. That the hired laborer shall not take more than he can eat (Deut. 23:25) (CCN187).
4. That a hired laborer shall not eat produce that is not being harvested (Deut. 23:26) (CCN186).
5. To pay wages to the hired man at the due time (Deut. 24:15) (CCA66).
6. To deal judicially with the Hebrew bondman in accordance with the laws appertaining to him (Ex. 21:2-6) (affirmative).
7. Not to compel the Hebrew servant to do the work of a slave (Lev. 25:39) (negative).
8. Not to sell a Hebrew servant as a slave (Lev. 25:42) (negative).
9. Not to treat a Hebrew servant rigorously (Lev. 25:43) (negative).
10. Not to permit a gentile to treat harshly a Hebrew bondman sold to him (Lev. 25:53) (negative).
11. Not to send away a Hebrew bondman servant empty handed, when he is freed from service (Deut. 15:13) (negative).
12. To bestow liberal gifts upon the Hebrew bondsman (at the end of his term of service), and the same should be done to a Hebrew bondwoman (Deut. 15:14) (affirmative).
13. To redeem a Hebrew maid-servant (Ex. 21:8) (affirmative).
14. Not to sell a Hebrew maid-servant to another person (Ex. 21:8) (negative).
15. To espouse a Hebrew maid-servant (Ex. 21:8-9) (affirmative).
16. To keep the Canaanite slave forever (Lev. 25:46) (affirmative).
17. Not to surrender a slave, who has fled to the land of Israel, to his owner who lives outside Palestine (Deut. 23:16) (negative).
18. Not to wrong such a slave (Deut. 23:17) (negative).
19. Not to muzzle a beast, while it is working in produce which it can eat and enjoy (Deut. 25:4) (CCN188).

Yup, horrible.

 

[RabbiO]

This is nonsense that is made up from a site that hates jews......

I was glad to see that you included Rabbi Student's material which is also available at
The Real Truth About The Talmud

Peter

 

[CMike]

I didn't say that Judaism is the greatest evil because of the Talmud teachings but I just presented it as an example and you defended Judaism in a glance whereas you didn't do the same for Islam.

You didn't present the Talmud teachings.

You presented the twisting of Tamud teachings from an anti-semitic site.

There is a massive difference.

 

[FearGod]

I'm glad you at least picked one. So Judaism is the biggest source for evil actions today out of all religious cultures...I would disagree.

It's not wrong to consider which groups or organizations are the biggest source of evil and greatest threat to life as we prefer... It's intelligence. It's foolish to give dangerous things a pass and pretend they are not dangerous or have great potential to harm.

Where did I say Judaism is the greatest or biggest source of evil actions even if it is really so.

 

[RabbiO]

I didn't say that Judaism is the greatest evil because of the Talmud teachings but I just presented it as an example and you defended Judaism in a glance whereas you didn't do the same for Islam.

Neither CMike nor I are Muslims.

I think that the best people to defend Islam would be knowledgeable Muslims.

As CMike pointed out you presented as apparent fact, as an example of why Judaism can be criticized, material from an anti-semitic website that misrepresents the Talmud. To present that material as fact is, at best, unfortunate and regrettable.

Peter

 

[Sees]

Where did I say Judaism is the greatest or biggest source of evil actions even if it is really so.

You asked why my Muslim friend didn't say Judaism then quoted what you thought were teachings of Judaism....in response to what religious culture is the greatest source of evil today.

That is a way of indirectly saying it or no?

I don't see reason for the fear of speaking the way you see things...it's not the metaphysical truths and divine reality we are discussing here...just whether Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Wiccans, Hindu, etc. are equally harmful or threatening in the real world that we see, breathe, live everyday.

Being a path doesn't make a path equal to all other paths. Many are concerned with the fruits of these paths, of all spiritual/philosophical traditions and religions. Humanity has to question what is good for it, bad for it, capable of destroying it, etc.

 

[FearGod]

You didn't present the Talmud teachings.

You presented the twisting of Tamud teachings from an anti-semitic site.

There is a massive difference.

There is as well anti-Islamic websites and organizations.

[youtube]zvhIYNzBtLs[/youtube]
Dr. David Duke - Jewish Racism Against Gentiles (Goyim) - YouTube

 

[RabbiO]

There is as well anti-Islamic websites and organizations.

Now it is a fact that there are anti-Islamic websites. There are websites that defame black people, gay people, Catholics and more. It would not surprise me to find out that if something exists, there is at least one website that is against it.

To post something against a group or an individual simply on the basis of a website without trying to ascertain its trustworthiness, is both irresponsible and potentially dangerous.

So your point in including a video by one of America's better known racists and anti-semites was?

Peter

 

[Caladan]

To post something against a group or an individual simply on the basis of a website without trying to ascertain its trustworthiness, is both irresponsible and potentially dangerous.
So your point in including a video by one of America's better known racists and anti-semites was?

Since 'FearGod' joined the forum, he presented Duke as one of his prime sources on Judaism and Jews... considering 'FearGod's' dubious standards when it comes to sources about Jews, it is ironic when you think about his defense in this thread and the claims about Dawkins' bias. Ignorance is indeed bliss after all.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

To say one religion is evil looks to me childish and unscientific.

I can't say for instance Judaism is the greatest evil or Atheism..etc

Why he didn't say Judaism is the greatest evil and the Talmud teachings is a great evidence for it.

Richard Dawkins is a very prolific author and speaker. If you really wanted to know his reasons for his views, I'm sure you would have no problem finding them out.

 

[Penumbra]

don't forget that most of islamic countries are occupated by the west in near past .

Not most, a few.

religous or economy crisses had many reasons (intern or extern ). i believe they are just temporare , we will pass this bad period .

every religion had his laws , Homosex is restricted in Vatican,and many religious areas .

Homosexuality is not illegal in the Vatican, and it's a tiny area of a hundred acres with Catholic administrators anyway. Nobody is in prison for homosexuality there. Catholic leaders believe homosexuality is wrong, generally don't support homosexual marriage, but do not have people in prison for homosexuality.

btw i have question , how many countries in the world allowed homosex ?

Virtually all of the highly developed ones. Here's a world map.

Pretty much the only places where homosexuality is illegal (meaning that two adults of the same sex can't have consensual sex with each other), are Islamic countries and a few very impoverished countries in Africa and certain parts of south Asia. And in many of those countries, it's punishable with death or other severe penalties.

Virtually everywhere else, it's legal. It's legal in east Asia, in Australia, in South America, in North America, and in Europe. And many places in South America, North America, and Europe, many of the most highly developed countries by economic and educational standards in the world, go the next step and legally recognize same sex marriage.

 

[FearGod]

Since 'FearGod' joined the forum, he presented Duke as one of his prime sources on Judaism and Jews... considering 'FearGod's' dubious standards when it comes to sources about Jews, it is ironic when you think about his defense in this thread and the claims about Dawkins' bias. Ignorance is indeed bliss after all.

I just presented Duke as an example and you can see how that affected you and the others.

I said from the beginning that it is childish to accuse one religion as being evil.

So I don't agree that any religion is evil and even atheism can't be described as evil, that is silly and I am wondering how an educated person (as Dawkins)speaks in such a stupid way.