FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Which point ?
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Richard Dawkins lies
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Which point ?
Monk Of Reason
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Well instead of posting something with substance you posted a smiley face with no real meaning or information with it. Obviously you found my post laughable. I tried to find out why. Can't think of a logical explination so I"d like for you to tell me.
I think FG feels there is a difference between what occurs in a cup at room temperature, and what occurs in a polar halocline in the sea.
My personal take is that it would still be interesting to test a widespread sample of contact points around the halocline to determine if there is a point (or points) of mixing, and in the absence of such data it would possibly make more sense to ask a polar ocean current expert if they could shed some light on the subject rather than relying solely on the opinion of a biological geneticist or a bunch of hijabis of unknown qualification.
My personal take is that it would still be interesting to test a widespread sample of contact points around the halocline to determine if there is a point (or points) of mixing, and in the absence of such data it would possibly make more sense to ask a polar ocean current expert if they could shed some light on the subject rather than relying solely on the opinion of a biological geneticist or a bunch of hijabis of unknown qualification.
Monk Of Reason
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But we know for a fact salt and fresh water do mix. Not just in a cup but even in the ocean. They don't instantly mix but they do in fact mix. As I stated before rain is fresh water and it pours into the ocean which is salt. They mix. Rivers flow into the ocean and become salt water after being mixed. Hell across from my Apartments is a Lagoon which is brackish water which IS made of mixed fresh and salt water. I get where the Koran is comming from with this "fresh and salt water do not mix" thing with observations of the oceans and such but ITS WRONG! Just like the prediction that the earth is the center of the universe is wrong. Just like the idea that the earth was flat is wrong.
yoda89
On Xtended Vacation
I'm trying to respond. But I don't know how to....Maybe we should get into the whole flying superman thing.
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Labuan Cermin (two water lake); Indonesia
The aura is magnificent. The thing that makes Labuan Cermin lake different from other lakes is that the lake has two types of water, freshwater and salt water. That too, you will find both different waters in one area.
Not only that, but both types of organisms also live in the water of this Lake.
Freshwater fish living on the surface of the Lake while salt water fish live in the bottom of the Lake. Surprisingly, both types of water do not get mixed. It can be seen that the sea water and fresh water are separated by layers like clouds. The white muddy layer in the lake is allegedly the result of decomposition basic harbor organisms that trapped. The thickness of the layer of freshwater and saltwater can be changed in accordance with tidal sea water. This natural wonder is still a mystery of how this phenomenon occurs.
The quran didn't mention that saltwater and freshwater never mixed as Dawkins claimed it to be and his stupid advice to bring 2 glasses of water to see how both water will mix is ridiculous.
And he it is who has given freedom of movement to the two great bodies of water the one sweet and thirst-allaying, and the other salty and bitter and yet has wrought between them a barrier and a forbidding ban. (25:53)
Monk Of Reason
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Yes. This is a very awesome phenomenon. Not a spiritual one but an awesome one. However it is a unique and rare phenomenon very much unlike how the Koran seems to explain it. I can show you litterally millions of accounts where salt and fresh water do mix. For example the body of water less than a mile from where I sit.
I personally am undecided as to whether or not the Qur'an is referring to literal seas additionally to the metaphor involved, but laying that aside for the moment, can you see that the verse refers to 2 seas and not all seas?
For this reason I think it is not necessary to prove all seas do not mix, as the verse does not seem to refer to all seas.
In my opinion it is unknown from the article if relevant scientists have studied the lake and reached the conclusion that it is mysterious, or if it's causes were simply mysterious to the marketers who are trying to sell it to us as a tourist destination.
Monk Of Reason
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I suppose. But then you must retract all statements that the Koran (Qur'an Qu'ran or wtf spelling anyone wants to use) is in any way scientific. If that happens then I have no qualms at all.
I've read through this thread with some interest and I am still confused as to what Richard Dawkins is being accused of lying about? From what I can tell, he simply stated that salt and freshwater do merge (contrary to the opinion of the questioners interpretation of some verses) which is correct.
Isn't it more intellectually dishonest to take some verses from an ancient book, try to fit a scientific principle to it, and then accuse someone else of lying about your particular translation of those verses?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
i guess there was no scientific research for this mysterious phenomenon.
A Lake with two different taste
Two types of water in the lake is also the body of both worlds. Freshwater Fish that have survived on the surface, sea fish on the bottom of the lake. Strangely, both types of water is not mixed. In plain view can be seen that the sea water and fresh water are separated by a similar layer of clouds. No one has done research in this area so that the formation of this phenomenon remains a mystery.
Sculelos
Active Member
Just and FYI but this has never been proven by Science as the best Science can say is all is retaliative to location yet my own studies indicate Earth is indeed the center of the Universe.
Left Photo is showing Earth in center with Mars red, Jupiter Purple and Saturn Blue. Second Picture is with Mars in center with Earth outside then Jupiter then Saturn. I'd really love any scientist to tell me why this is if the Earth is not the center of the Universe.
The Koran is like the Bible and both are Scientifically accurate.
The Koran
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Mk. Soooo... the earth is disc-shaped, and the sky is a rigid dome upon which are placed the sun, moon, planets and stars. Gotcha.Just and FYI but this has never been proven by Science as the best Science can say is all is retaliative to location yet my own studies indicate Earth is indeed the center of the Universe.
Left Photo is showing Earth in center with Mars red, Jupiter Purple and Saturn Blue. Second Picture is with Mars in center with Earth outside then Jupiter then Saturn. I'd really love any scientist to tell me why this is if the Earth is not the center of the Universe.
The Koran is like the Bible and both are Scientifically accurate.
The Koran
Here is a video of a Muslim explaining some of the cosmology of the Qu'ran. MEMRI: Iraqi Researcher Defies Scientific Axioms: The Earth Is Flat and Much Larger than the Sun (Which Is Also Flat)
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Oh, Bread. Now you're confusing all of us!Right, that reminds me I need to change my username; nobody gets it right.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
(Psssst! Hey, old Muslim Guy: The same "false science" that the schools teach is what makes the bombs and gunpowder work that are used by extremest terrorists...)
Oh yeah. And the man is obviously an optometrist.:sleep:
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The quran never said that the earth is flat,that guy in the TV program is talking nonsense.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
He sure is!
Of course the Qu'ran assumes a flat earth. Muslims are told to pray towards Mecca but because the earth is a globe unless they are in the immediate vicinity of Mecca they pray towards the nearest buildings or mountains or outer space... And Ramadan is one of the Five Pillars of Islam. "and eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn." What do Muslims do in areas near the poles if Ramadan falls on a month when the sun never sets? Starve for a month or leave?
Flat Earth and the Qur'an - WikiIslam