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Robots

waitasec

Veteran Member
how about this...
are robots capable of being irrational?
are they capable of disagreeing with one another?
are robots capable of understanding what coming to an understanding means?

so no, we are not robots.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Free Will Becomes More And More Illusory With The More Options We Have To "Choose" From, And With Less Knowledge Of Them, Their Number, And The Reasoning Behind Them.
What is "Free Will" that it becomes more illusory with more options?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
koldo, perhaps you missed this post...

how about a robot that can create abstract art that evokes an emotional or intellectual response?
poetry, story telling, singing, playing an instrument are abstract expressions
robots are not capable of doing such things....

all robots being equal...
all robots would come to the same conclusion at the same time, learn at the same rate
this is not the case.
 

Tonix

Member
Why aren't we robots? We have several dozen systems that work in the background go regulate homeostasis, like a robot would if it was capable of similar functions, and we are each autonomous. Really the only real difference between ourselves and machines are that we have sentience and we are made of carbon, not silicon.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Why aren't we robots? We have several dozen systems that work in the background go regulate homeostasis, like a robot would if it was capable of similar functions, and we are each autonomous. Really the only real difference between ourselves and machines are that we have sentience and we are made of carbon, not silicon.

maybe you are programmed to think you are sentient
:D

now that would be a cruel joke.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
koldo, perhaps you missed this post...

I didn't miss that post. I was just picking up the link of a video:

The Originals Factory, A Robot That Makes Abstract Paintings

poetry, story telling, singing, playing an instrument are abstract expressions
robots are not capable of doing such things....

It is completely possible to build robots that do these things.

all robots being equal...
all robots would come to the same conclusion at the same time, learn at the same rate
this is not the case.

All humans being equal, under the same conditions, would come to the same conclusion and learn at the same rate. So?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I didn't miss that post. I was just picking up the link of a video:

The Originals Factory, A Robot That Makes Abstract Paintings

"in the style of the American abstract expressionism movement."


The Originals Factory is a work in progress fusing together and questioning digital, mechanic and plastic approaches to art, abstraction and originality. It is basically a DIY robot, built and programmed to create landscape paintings in the style of American abstract expressionism.
The computer system uses real time video input to control motor movement and pump actions to release paint drops on a large canvas. The drops are then drawn downwards courtesy of gravity, leaving thin colorful line marks.


tell me what robot can create it's own style of abstract art?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
can a robot choose how it wants to express itself?
is a robot capable of feeling insecure?
does a robot make decisions based on fear?

can a robot detect a threat but reason it's way into facing the threat?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
there are programs that can make a singer sing in tune, or fix the tuning of a guitar chord in the actual recorded track of music....
but there are no programs that can make a singer sing with emotion that emotional people can relate to...or play a guitar and move people in the capacity jimi hendrix could...my goodness, he was out of tune a lot...so where the beatles...
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
and is that the reality or our situation? no.
hence the premise of this thread is moot, not to mention pointless.

Only if you use a strict definition for 'robots'.
Imagine a very advanced machine built 100 years from now, would you not call it a robot because it can do things our current mechanical robots can't?

no it is not.

It is. We already have machines that can reproduce songs ( computers, for example ), and storytelling robots ( [youtube]oEXuH6GzoXo[/youtube]
Personal Robotic Storyteller (English version 2) - YouTube ).

"in the style of the American abstract expressionism movement."


The Originals Factory is a work in progress fusing together and questioning digital, mechanic and plastic approaches to art, abstraction and originality. It is basically a DIY robot, built and programmed to create landscape paintings in the style of American abstract expressionism.
The computer system uses real time video input to control motor movement and pump actions to release paint drops on a large canvas. The drops are then drawn downwards courtesy of gravity, leaving thin colorful line marks.


tell me what robot can create it's own style of abstract art?

You are moving the goalposts once again.
 

Tonix

Member
maybe you are programmed to think you are sentient
:D

now that would be a cruel joke.

Yes it would be, or maybe we're only semisentient? The point being were not so different than machines, hell, you could even argue that cells behave like nanites.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Only if you use a strict definition for 'robots'.
Imagine a very advanced machine built 100 years from now, would you not call it a robot because it can do things our current mechanical robots can't?
yes i would. because robots are ultimately subjected to OUR knowledge...even though our knowledge is expanding doesn't mean a robot in a 100 yrs from now is anymore than a robot is today.

are robots capable of being self indulgent?



It is. We already have machines that can reproduce songs

reproducing a song that already exists is not abstract concept...it's basically painting by numbers.

( computers, for example ), and storytelling robots ( [youtube]oEXuH6GzoXo[/youtube]
Personal Robotic Storyteller (English version 2) - YouTube ).

i certainly hope you are not serious. are you suggesting that this robot actually came up with the story on it's own, or was it programmed?
the day a robot can create a story based on it's own imagination is the day robots take over the world.

You are moving the goalposts once again.

how so? that has been the point i was making with the 1st post you responded to...
let me remind you...


or paints a painting
or writes a song, or a poem...
dances
makes up stories
 
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