Should Donald Trump be Sentenced to Jail for 34 Felonies?

[Subduction Zone]

Changing the topic again? Wasn't the current one working out for you?

No, it was just a lesson that shows that running away does not work. You seem to have a hard time following a conversation.

 

[Stonetree]

Please remember that I am Canadian, and not necessarily an expert on US law, but here goes.

Joe Biden should immediately pardon Donald Trump for any and all of the federal charges he is facing. Additionally, he should make it plain that this pardon reflects only on Trump, and not the other people involved in the alleged crimes. Setting a precedent that a former President can be jailed is an invitation to Banana Republicanism, whether you want to admit it or not.

As far as the 34 indictments, they are E class felonies, which rarely result in jail time. Give him a years probation and fine him whatever seems appropriate, and let it go.

First, this removes the 'weaponization' claim and restores faith in the justice system. Second, it makes Trump a weak, puerile little man who needs Biden to keep him out of trouble. And third, it sets the precedent that helping someone behave the way he did ends with you in a cage and him walking around free, and Trump is only a free man because of the Dems. It would destroy his fundraising ability, and allow the Dems to portray him as a senile old fool who's being manipulated by the back-room boys who are being charged. End of Trump.

Of course, I'm only looking through the prism of winning the election and destroying Trumpism. If you want pointless revenge, that's different.

It's not revenge. I was a very small minority in that I wanted a change of venue for this trial. The majority view was: they could find people who would judge the case fairly in proximity to NYC. Why not find people who can be fair in a location where the voter demographics are more equally divided?

Donald Trump has had a terrible reputation throughout his public life. I describe him as a hustler. I feel his early mismanagement of the government response to COVID-19 cost thousands of lives. He thinks foreign relations are a joke. The government delivers service to the public, Trump thinks government is about making money. He won't continue to employ anyone who won't pledge allegiance to him. He thinks allegiance to the Constitution is for suckers. Disreputable foreign leaders play Trump like a drum. He idolizes Vladimir Putin. He has managed to convert elected Republicans into 'Kiss My Ring' minions who no longer serve the interest of the public.

Donald Trump is a sick man. He is not capable of understanding public service. Trump will be the 'Emperor with No Clothes' if he is elected again. The right will see Trump in fine attire while history will see a sick man undressed.

 

[England my lionheart]

You be the Judge! Is it appropriate to sentence Former President Trump to jail at this time?

I'm not looking for a prediction. What is your opinion? Consider his age. Trump is the preemptive Republican candidate to be President of the U.S.

edit: Consider any reasons for or against jail time.

My opinion from accross the pond is that Donny boy has highlighted how ****ed up the legal system is in America at the top end,justice is “not what you know but who you know” and how rich you are.

Answer to the OP would be no jail for the 34 counts,pointless house confinement for a year but 10 months in Rikers for 10 contempt of court and contempt for the American people would be right imo.

 

[Pogo]

It's not revenge. I was a very small minority in that I wanted a change of venue for this trial. The majority view was: they could find people who would judge the case fairly in proximity to NYC. Why not find people who can be fair in a location where the voter demographics are more equally divided?

Donald Trump has had a terrible reputation throughout his public life. I describe him as a hustler. I feel his early mismanagement of the government response to COVID-19 cost thousands of lives. He thinks foreign relations are a joke. The government delivers service to the public, Trump thinks government is about making money. He won't continue to employ anyone who won't pledge allegiance to him. He thinks allegiance to the Constitution is for suckers. Disreputable foreign leaders play Trump like a drum. He idolizes Vladimir Putin. He has managed to convert elected Republicans into 'Kiss My Ring' minions who no longer serve the interest of the public.

Donald Trump is a sick man. He is not capable of understanding public service. Trump will be the 'Emperor with No Clothes' if he is elected again. The right will see Trump in fine attire while history will see a sick man undressed.

Change of venue was just a ploy by Trump to generate potential questions, he and his lawyers never thought it had any real chance, it was a standard lawyer trick to set up the conflict. It just typical legal posturing which is just a part of the "adversarial" system.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah that is one you really need to spend some time thinking about.

I did, and I know exactly the people that it applies to.

 

[Pogo]

I did, and I know exactly the people that it applies to.

And yet you still carry water for Trump. Tell us was the election stolen or are we still waiting to find out?

 

[Twilight Hue]

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And yet you still carry water for Trump. Tell us was the election stolen or are we still waiting to find out?

Not stolen but I do suspect the election was jury rigged using legal loopholes and slight of hand that carry no consequences. I'm fairly convinced he's just a puppet who is being controlled and manipulated by the real unelected power players behind the scenes.

Biden is the legitimate president as far as I'm concerned, but didn't get there by using sheer honesty and integrity either by his handlers who manipulate him and his policy making.

 

[Pogo]

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Not stolen but I do suspect the election was jury rigged using legal loopholes and slight of hand that carry no consequences. I'm fairly convinced he's just a puppet who is being controlled and manipulated by the real unelected power players behind the scenes.

Biden is the legitimate president as far as I'm concerned, but didn't get there by using sheer honesty and integrity either by his handlers who manipulate him and his policy making.

BTW, jury rigged has nothing to do with juries or rigging as in setting up an effect,
It means cheap or temporary (jury) and sails or more accurately the lines for sails (rigging) beyond nautical use it has come to mean slapdash construction from available materials generally not appropriate for the purpose. hat tip to @fantome profane who I was going to type this for but popcorn making got in the way.

 

[fantome profane]

BTW, jury rigged has nothing to do with juries or rigging as in setting up an effect,
It means cheap or temporary (jury) and sails or more accurately the lines for sails (rigging) beyond nautical use it has come to mean slapdash construction from available materials generally not appropriate for the purpose. hat tip to @fantome profane who I was going to type this for but popcorn making got in the way.

Don't take your hat off to me. I thought "jury rigged" was an eggcorn for "jerry rigged". But after a couple minutes of research I learned that it might be the other way round.


(but at least I know what an eggcorn is )

 

[McBell]

Don't take your hat off to me. I thought "jury rigged" was an eggcorn for "jerry rigged". But after a couple minutes of research I learned that it might be the other way round.


(but at least I know what an eggcorn is )

Jury-rigged means something was assembled quickly with the materials on hand. Jerry-built means it was cheaply or poorly built. Jerry-rigged is a variant of jury-rigged, and it may have been influenced by jerry-built. While some people consider it to be an incorrect version of jury-rigged, it’s widely used, especially in everyday speech.​

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"Jury-rigged" vs. "Jerry-rigged"

What's the difference between "jury-rigged" and "jerry-rigged"? And is the jury still out on whether one is preferred over the other?

www.dictionary.com

 

[F1fan]

And those are the things Daniels was able to do? She wanted to interfere in the election?

No, there were rumors about her affair, and there were people willing to pay her for the story. It was a true story. It was Trump who wanted to influence the election by buying her silence so she wouldn't tell her story. The truth. The truth of Trump's affair is something he should suffer consequences for one way or another. And he is. That's karma.

Was she donating to a campaign?

Like any citizens can do?

Did she not pay taxes on the payment she accepted?
Come on, make some sense!

More than Trump has, given his tax fraud loss in 2023. Remember that half a billion fine that Trump will have to cover after the appeal?

 

[F1fan]

Dude, ANYthing could be considered to be a campaign expense if you want it to be. Protecting his wife from a porn actress's slanderous claim is hardly one of them.

Yeah, Trump is such a loving husband he didn't want his wife to find out about himself cheating with a porn star. Right after his wife gave birth.

Maybe he should have considered not cheating, but that's just not him. He got caught commiting fraud in his charity, and is now banned. He got caught commiting fraud in Trump University. He got caught commiting tax fraud in New York. He got caught in a sexual assault crime, and defaming his victim. Twice. He's been indicted for conspiring to overturn the 2020 election. He was convicted of election interferance, and is facing sentencing in about 4 weeks.

 

[Laniakea]

No, there were rumors about her affair, and there were people willing to pay her for the story. It was a true story. It was Trump who wanted to influence the election by buying her silence so she wouldn't tell her story. The truth. The truth of Trump's affair is something he should suffer consequences for one way or another. And he is. That's karma.

You sure like to say, "influence the election" a lot, don't you?

Like any citizens can do?

I'll take that to be a "no".

More than Trump has, given his tax fraud loss in 2023. Remember that half a billion fine that Trump will have to cover after the appeal?

Whataboutism.

 

[F1fan]

You sure like to say, "influence the election" a lot, don't you?

When the topic is Trump his election interferance will be part of the discussion. You can deny it all you want, but the well informed know.

I'll take that to be a "no".

Is Stormy Daniel's political contributions relevant? Anything to deflect from the fact Trump had an affair with her.

Whataboutism.

If you are going to impugn the character of anyone involved with Trump, that opens the door to questioning Trump. As we know he is disturbed and corrupt through to his core. I notice you never offer anything about what a great guy Trump is. You must not know anything either.

 

[We Never Know]

When the topic is Trump his election interferance will be part of the discussion. You can deny it all you want, but the well informed know.

Is Stormy Daniel's political contributions relevant? Anything to deflect from the fact Trump had an affair with her.

If you are going to impugn the character of anyone involved with Trump, that opens the door to questioning Trump. As we know he is disturbed and corrupt through to his core. I notice you never offer anything about what a great guy Trump is. You must not know anything either.

In all honesty, can you be certain Stormy didn't come forward with her story to actually cause election interference? Cause Trump trouble?
Be honest.

 

[F1fan]

In all honesty, can you be certain Stormy didn't come forward with her story to actually cause election interference? Cause Trump trouble?
Be honest.

That isn't anything I have seen reported. The speculation is irrelevant.

We have plenty of facts regarding Daniels, Trump, Cohen, pecker, and many others involved in the crimes that Trump was convicted of.

 

[Twilight Hue]

BTW, jury rigged has nothing to do with juries or rigging as in setting up an effect,
It means cheap or temporary (jury) and sails or more accurately the lines for sails (rigging) beyond nautical use it has come to mean slapdash construction from available materials generally not appropriate for the purpose. hat tip to @fantome profane who I was going to type this for but popcorn making got in the way.

Obviously your not very well acquainted with alternative slang terms.

 

[Sargonski]

Please provide evidence that this was a "kangaroo court".

there is no crime that is a felony .. the jury instructions were "Arbitrary" .. Arbitrary = 3rd world kangaroodom.

 

[We Never Know]

That isn't anything I have seen reported. The speculation is irrelevant.

We have plenty of facts regarding Daniels, Trump, Cohen, pecker, and many others involved in the crimes that Trump was convicted of.

So you think her coming forward at that time, just ahead of the 2016 election was just a coincidence?

Don't be afraid to answer.

 

[F1fan]

So you think her coming forward at that time, just ahead of the 2016 election was just a coincidence?

Don't be afraid to answer.

I have seen no reporting on this. Why don't you get to work doing some research and get back to us since you seem oddly curious about it.