Should Europe resist Islam?

[.lava]

You realize the civil violence for years was a lot more than "once in a while some Shii leader got killed" right? Execution by sectarian hatred, shooting, suicide and vehicle bombs were the leading cause of death among Iraqi civilians for all these years. Medical journal reviews Iraqi sectarian violence, reports execution-style slayings top bomb deaths | World News - cleveland.com -

who do you think doing it?




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[~Amin~]

You are the one who quoted from Quran.Isnt't Quran the books other muslims follow?

This is what you objected to

Originally Posted by ~Amin~
So since one minute unbelief is like a thousand murders, according to
the law of human justice, someone who lives a life of twenty years in
unbelief and dies in that state ddeserves imprisonment for fifty seven billion two hundred and one thousadnd two hundred million years.

As you can see this is not the QUR"AN.
so how can you judge all Muslims on our FREE-THINKING.

No,just that you as a murderer,can do no free-thinking.

When we do you dont like it.

 

[Metempsychosis]

This is what you objected to

If you are really knowledgeable and sane,you would care to read and quote the scriptures of other religions.

As you can see this is not the QUR"AN.
so how can you judge all Muslims on our FREE-THINKING.

How can incarceration in hell for an infinite duration in return for
unbelief for a short duration be just?
It may be understood from this how conformable with Divine justice is
the verse,
"THEY WILL DWELL THERE IN FOREVER" Quran 33:65

Ya this is not from Quran.

When we do you dont like it.

I would like to remove you from Islam by using my free-thinking.Do you like it?

Ameen

 

[kai]

give me something to work with here , show me a society now or in the past that is an example of Islam that i can look at and say yes that's something i can live with.Thats something that Europe could learn from.

 

[footprints]

I say not.
I think it is an absurd idea.
An idea on a par with 'should Europe resist Hare Krishna's', Mormons, Buddhists or any other religion.
The future I want for Europe is tolerant and inclusive. Diversity is welcome. Islam is the second largest religion in Europe and I look forward to a distinctly European take on Islam developing over the coming years.

People of Europe, on an individual basis, will either accept or reject Islam depending on what their own Freewill, tells them is best for them.

Each is entitled to their own Freewill, whatever that Freewill will be. As long as it falls within the guidelines of the law of the land, it wouldn't be a problem to me.

 

[zenzero]

Friend footprints,

As long as it falls within the guidelines of the law of the land, it wouldn't be a problem to me.

That is the key.

Love & rgds

 

[Kathryn]

Well, I know this much - the legal, medical, and religious language of all of Europe till the printing press was Latin (from Rome). Seems that most of "Christendom" cherished what was inherited from the Roman empire, when it came to book learnin'.

 

[sandandfoam]

Well, I know this much - the legal, medical, and religious language of all of Europe till the printing press was Latin (from Rome). Seems that most of "Christendom" cherished what was inherited from the Roman empire, when it came to book learnin'.

I'm afraid history is against you

 

[kai]

As Islamic civilisation spread further, vast treasuries of long-forgotten knowledge from conquered lands were taken back to cities like Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo and Cordoba where they were translated into Arabic.anything that would enhance the empire was assimilated.The splintered west relied on Monestaries for the preservation of knowledge remember the Islamic empires were huge and engulfed many ancient civilisations.

 

[sandandfoam]

Kathryn,
There's some info here about Islam preserving Classical knowledge lost to Europe in the middle ages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

 

[kai]

Kathryn,
There's some info here about Islam preserving Classical knowledge lost to Europe in the middle ages

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you think this knowledge was preserved as some kind of philanthropic cause? This was to further the Caliphate , are we taking this as a kind of redemption for invasion.

a bit like what did the Romans ever do for us?

 

[sandandfoam]

Do you think this knowledge was preserved as some kind of philanthropic cause? This was to further the Caliphate , are we taking this as a kind of redemption for invasion.

a bit like what did the Romans ever do for us?

No . Lucky for me I'm not trying to argue that.
My specific point was to counter this :_

Seems that most of "Christendom" cherished what was inherited from the Roman empire, when it came to book learnin'.

 

[kai]

No . Lucky for me I'm not trying to argue that.
My specific point was to counter this :_

oh i see , i thought you were going to reply with --Roads---Aquaducts----

 

[sandandfoam]

oh i see , i thought you were going to reply with --Roads---Aquaducts----

It just occurred to me how lucky you English were to have the Romans one side of you and us Irish on the other to help you become civilized :run:

 

[kai]

It just occurred to me how lucky you English were to have the Romans one side of you and us Irish on the other to help you become civilized :run:

aye! we would still be covered in woad and deflowering maidens on the solstice, but enough about me on with the thread!

 

[Cobblestones]

How is it that i call you to salvation, and you call me to enslavment?

Somehow I think you have that backwards.

 

[Cobblestones]

Im not, he's requesting that i give God's Qualities to His Creation.

Yet you are giving creation's qualities to god which is like someone claiming that you are a spleen. If the creation is part of god, as some think, and we cannot understand that very well then how can you claim to have any clue as to what god is like? For all we know this could be part of god's lower intestine.

 

[Cobblestones]

I hope people everywhere in the world will nonviolently support real equality, freedom of expression, tolerance and human rights. As an extension of that, yes I hope Europeans, including European Muslims will oppose Shariah law and so forth.

Hear hear!

 

[Cobblestones]

give me something to work with here , show me a society now or in the past that is an example of Islam that i can look at and say yes that's something i can live with.Thats something that Europe could learn from.

I second this motion.

 

[Cobblestones]

What religion do you think preserved the learning of Greece and Rome while Christian Europe was busy burning both books and heretics?

Yes. It served as a very nice refrigerator. I note, however, that in the thousand years of all this preserving that the Arabs made no significant improvements upon that which the Greeks and Romans had discovered. Why is that do you think? And why is it that no Arab nation today is a contributing factor in modern science and technology?