Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

[Chalant]

Yes, they should. It would help millions of ordinary Muslims and Jews who want nothing more than living in constant fear of invasion.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have to wonder why so many Muslims are spearheading the charge of pushing disinformation, distortions, and half-true versions of the facts, and absolutely refuse to accept any version of events that goes against their narrative.

Much the same could be asked of the Zionist right wing.

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

NO I did NOT say that.

I said we don't know that Jesus existed.

Quit lying and thinking you have won anything - as you haven't - as shown by all of the intelligent people here telling you how it really is.

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Your not one of them forsure -FoReal

 

[Shermana]

Much the same could be asked of the Zionist right wing.

I'd like to see some examples of lies you think the Zionist Right Wing pushes sometime.

 

[Monotheist 101]

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[Moishe3rd]

I said modern era.

You appear to be defining "modern era" as the 20th Century.
In which case, do you favor the million plus refugees from Greece and Turkey be given their lands back from whence they were expelled from Greece and Turkey?
The millions of Indians and Pakistanis should reclaim their respective lands?
Or should Great Britain reconquer Ireland which was British for over 500 years?
Poland should certainly have never been formed as a country after WWI as it belonged to Russia and Austria for the previous 100 years.
And what's with ALL, every last single Arab and Muslim country in the Middle East conquering the native populations and creating such countries as Saudi Arabia; Jordan; Syria; Iraq; Sudan and Libya? Shouldn't those tribal peoples have their own little territories and satraps free of their wicked oppressors? (Oh wait - some of them are doing that right now, as we write... I guess they don't like being occupied by foreign Arabs....)
Any thoughts on Tibet, Vietnam or Korea?
How about them Timorese? It's pretty clear that Indonesia should have continued to loot and oppress them, isn't it?
And where does Kazakhstan, Lithuania; Latvia; and all of the rest of the former Soviet republics get off becoming their own countries? Shouldn't they revert to their "modern era" status of being part of the Soviet Union?
Your "modern era" reversions would be quite interesting and, I must say, probably very beneficial for Israel.
With all the massive wars going on as you try and force people out of the lands they conquered and try and force their former conquerors to reclaim their lost territories, Israel would be quite forgotten....

 

[Pastek]

Stealing is bad indeed. Like when the Arabs tried to steal the land the British partitioned for Jewish settlement, especially when the land of "Palestine" was arbitrarily defined by the British in the first place.

And who asked people from north europe to put their noise in this part of the world ?
Who will accept that a stranger dictate what he sould do ?

The British said, did ... we don't care of this colons.

After the Ottomans we wanted to be free, we didn't asked to the europeans to come and partition anything. What a joke.

 

[Moishe3rd]

And who asked people from north europe to put their noise in this part of the world ?
Who will accept that a stranger dictate what he sould do ?

The British said, did ... we don't care of this colons.

After the Ottomans we wanted to be free, we didn't asked to the europeans to come and partition anything. What a joke.

:woohoo:
And a funny joke that is!!
:bonk:
What a fun freedom as Arab conquerors loot and slaughter their Arab victims!!
:danana:
Yeah! Let's have some more of that freedom from colonial oppression by massacring a few more hundred thousand Arabs in their efforts to be "FREE!"

Gotta hand it to you. Your choice of strangers dictating to you is a barrel of laughs.... (Of course, you are correct. At least it's not Europeans and Jews who are trying to civilize y'all. It must be much better to have your fellow Arabs cut off your heads and butcher their fellow Arabs by the hundreds of thousands... Sure... That's the ticket!)

 

[Pastek]

Gotta hand it to you. Your choice of strangers dictating to you is a barrel of laughs....

No, there's no choice at all among the strangers : no british, no french, no americans or whoever, we didn't ask for that as we don't accept dictatorship from our fellows as you can see. Thank you very much.

At least it's not Europeans and Jews who are trying to civilize y'all.

It must be much better to have your fellow Arabs cut off your heads and butcher their fellow Arabs by the hundreds of thousands... Sure... That's the ticket!

Yes you're right, it's more acceptable when it comes from others.
Bombarding people and using white phosphore it's not barbaric at all.

This is what you call "civilized" people ? Ok ...

 

[Shermana]

we didn't ask for that as we don't accept dictatorship from our fellows as you can see

You mean from "Strangers", not "fellows", right?

Bombarding people and using white phosphore it's not barbaric at all.

Not barbaric when the enemy is bombarding you first. I don't see the difference in using phosphorous or bullets and bombs when it comes to bombarding. So it's okay to blow off someone's arms but not to burn them?

Basically what we see is that there seems to be a predilection towards outright ACCEPTANCE of dictators and brutality in peace-time but an intense form of victim-playing when it's from another direction, they'll outright defend the brutal dictators when it involves a foreign enemy.

 

[Moishe3rd]

No, there's no choice at all among the strangers : no british, no french, no americans or whoever, we didn't ask for that as we don't accept dictatorship from our fellows as you can see. Thank you very much.

You are welcome.
You prefer mass slaughter; chemical weapons deaths; brutal torture of thousands and thousands; total chaos; beheadings; economic collapse; refugees in the tens of millions; and massive destruction of your cities and infrastructure - to European or American or Israeli rule?

Why?

 

[Pastek]

You mean from "Strangers", not "fellows", right?

No, i was talking about our own dictators. We don't accept them either.

Not barbaric when the enemy is bombarding you first. I don't see the difference in using phosphorous or bullets and bombs when it comes to bombarding. So it's okay to blow off someone's arms but not to burn them?

I'm not supporting any groups who use violence.

 

[Assad91]

You are welcome.
You prefer mass slaughter; chemical weapons deaths; brutal torture of thousands and thousands; total chaos; beheadings; economic collapse; refugees in the tens of millions; and massive destruction of your cities and infrastructure - to European or American or Israeli rule?

Why?

Your characterizing of Arabs is racist and disturbing.

Id make mention of how most of these dictattors are only in poqer due to foreign. Involvment.

But I know better then to try and argue with a simple minded bigot.:

 

[Pastek]

You are welcome.
You prefer mass slaughter; chemical weapons deaths; brutal torture of thousands and thousands; total chaos; beheadings; economic collapse; refugees in the tens of millions; and massive destruction of your cities and infrastructure - to European or American or Israeli rule?

Why?

In fact you are saying : do you prefer when it's done by us or by yourselves ?

Because all those things were done before.
I remember you that the independance wars killed millions of people around the world.
Torture, bombarding, chimical weapons deaths ... all those things we already know them. I can add the stealing of the richess to.

If the US needed the state of Israel that's not because they love you, but that was for the arab petrol, controling the Suez canal and the arab region in general.
So in fact, we have to let people do what they want with our lands.

 

[Shermana]

If the US needed the state of Israel that's not because they love you, but that was for the arab petrol, controling the Suez canal and the arab region in general.
So in fact, we have to let people do what they want with our lands.

Indeed, US support for Israel isn't exactly based on love for the Jews.

 

[Sleeppy]

I can write this with God's finger, as did Moses and Muhammad: many generations of Jews, Muslims and Christians will die, because they misunderstand the covenants and the reign of God.

Those of you disobeying the sign of forgiveness given to Cain, and the blood of Abel in your ears, have assured the deaths of your sons and daughters to come.

 

[Moishe3rd]

In fact you are saying : do you prefer when it's done by us or by yourselves ?

No.
I am referring to "foreign rule" that may or may not involve injustice;
Or, "Arab rule" that absolutely involves mass torture; mass slaughter; hundreds of thousands murdered; tens of millions refugees; and mass destruction of entire countries.
I still do not understand why you would prefer the latter.

The amount of slaughter and destruction by the tribe of al Saud alone as they conquered the Arabian peninsula, including ransacking and looting Mecca, dwarfs ALL of the colonial misrule by ALL of the European nations over the entire time they were involved in the Middle East.
And that was 100 years ago. The self slaughter and self destruction of the Arabs and Muslims has since dwarfed anything any European or American has done with the Middle East, including Israeli wars and American invasions.
Why would you prefer self destruction?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Those of you disobeying the sign of forgiveness given to Cain, and the blood of Abel in your ears, have assured the deaths of your sons and daughters to come.

Its a kind of ambiguous statement like what a fortune teller or TV evangelist would say. It lacks specificity and is like patter, like what a hypnotist would use.

Jews, Muslims and Christians will die, because they misunderstand the covenants and the reign of God.

Bad-blood killing happens all over the world and is not supernatural. People dress it up like its supernatural, but its not supernatural in character. It is cultural, so its got nothing to do with 'Covenants of God'.

 

[Sleeppy]

Its a kind of ambiguous statement like what a fortune teller or TV evangelist would say. It lacks specificity and is like patter, like what a hypnotist would use.

Bad-blood killing happens all over the world and is not supernatural. People dress it up like its supernatural, but its not supernatural in character. It is cultural, so its got nothing to do with 'Covenants of God'.

What specifics are you looking for? I can assure you, what I've said is less a prophecy or prediction, than an observation of past and present. And these two result in future events, of which will be many forms of desolation, including death.

I'm actually not referring to anything supernatural.. I believe everything is natural. But the cultures I'm referring to claim, and recognize, many covenants as coming from God- whether by finger or any other medium.

 

[Pastek]

No.
I am referring to "foreign rule" that may or may not involve injustice;
Or, "Arab rule" that absolutely involves mass torture; mass slaughter; hundreds of thousands murdered; tens of millions refugees; and mass destruction of entire countries.
I still do not understand why you would prefer the latter.

I don't prefer it either.

The amount of slaughter and destruction by the tribe of al Saud alone as they conquered the Arabian peninsula, including ransacking and looting Mecca, dwarfs ALL of the colonial misrule by ALL of the European nations over the entire time they were involved in the Middle East.

Why would you prefer self destruction?

I don't prefer it either.

It's like saying to Congoleses for ex (as they are in war since many years now) : do you prefer when belgians were controling your richesses and exploited you or do you prefer to kill each others ?

And that was 100 years ago. The self slaughter and self destruction of the Arabs and Muslims has since dwarfed anything any European or American has done with the Middle East, including Israeli wars and American invasions.

I don't think so. What a strange way of thinking