CG Didymus
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That's what's recommended by the Baha'i Faith to remedy the injustices?
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Should the oneness of humanity be taught in all schools worldwide
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CG Didymus
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Yes, but the question was about Jews accepting Jesus. If you were a Jew and read in the gospel of Matthew about the fulfillment of a prophecy about a child being born to a virgin, and you read the verses in Isaiah that were supposedly that prophecy, would you be okay with it? You read that one verse, 7:14, and be satisfied that indeed, that was talking about the coming Messiah. Yet, all the rest of the verses had nothing to do with the Messiah?
Sorry, but that is way too cherry-picked for me. But you say his "spiritual greatness" is enough for you? What exactly? Since all we know about him was written by his followers. And Baha'is don't believe everything that they wrote about him.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Good point.
1. There is no verse about a virgin giving birth. Isaiah 7:14 is about a young woman, and in the verse she is already pregnant -- it is not a prophecy.
2. We believe this verse to be about King Hezekiah, not the messiah. So... no relationship to Jesus whatsoever.
I’m not sure what you mean by practical steps because this will be an initiative implemented by the governments and their people and it is up to them to formulate the steps to a peaceful world society. All we believe is that the world situation will become so unbearable that the governments of the world will call for a world gathering to try and thrash out a solution to stop wars. But this has nothing to do with Baha’is.
We can’t say that the Jews won’t accept Christ and other later Manifestations in the future and I believe they will. I can only speak for myself and after investigating the Manifestations of God and that I found their claims to be true.
It’s a complex issue with many aspects and issues and will involve in depth consultation with their communities. If I already posted I apologise.
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ppp
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You realize that you are offering nothing that is either new or substantive?
ppp
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It is not. History is full of proposals for one. Dating back to the Greek stoics and (I am told) the Mahabharata .
Or for something more modern read Kant's Perpetual Peace from 1795
It is not. Substance requires practical steps to accomplishing the stated goal. The bahai don't have that. Y'all have a title and an empty page.
For someone who claims
You are always pushing the Baha'i marketing.
The difference between the past and now is that it is practically possible with world intercommunications. The internet is one example of the world being virtually united. It matters to me that oppression and wars end. as I’ve stated before. The world will decide on these things not Baha’is. We are very insignificant and so things like peace cannot be established by us. It is up to the world.
You don't think that society in the USA is doing well to push back against the KKK and neonazis? What more do you suggest? Teaching kids about the KKK and the Nazis, and even the 9-11 terrorist attack and Jan 6 agaist the USA?
Already done with the United Nations. Of course this doesn't stop dictators and those hungry for power. Have you offered any templates to prevent this happening in the future? None I've seen. If you advocate for teaching more humanities in school so kids understand how people function, and have even fought, then that might be a good thing. And how about expanded mental health care so young kids don't end up with negative behavioral patterns? Have you suggested that?
A world divided of course cannot solve these problems but when they unite then they will easily take care of dictators. Currently justice is being hijacked by the veto system which ends up supporting dictators. In a politically united world, war criminals and oppressors will have no ‘allies’ to turn to for refuge. It has never been achieved yet, world unity, but there was a time in human history when nationhood was just a pipe dream also yet we progressed to this stage and WILL unite and eventually establish peace.
ppp
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I don't know what you think you are adding that better educated, dedicated, and harder working people are not already pursuing.
World governments may not be a part of the answer. A world government may not be part of the answer.
Easily via war, which is what is typical. Do you offer an alternative? Of course not, as usual. So why should we take you seriously?
Explain.
That’s why we have the UN.
How?
Somehow people all over the world have acquired prejudices which I believe are fuelling conflicts. Treaties and ceasefires don’t give lasting results. The problem today is relationships have broken down on all levels of society - race, religion, nations people and their own governments so I believe we need to look into why it’s an ‘us vs them’ mentality as opposed to acceptance of all as one human family. It largely comes I believe from tribalism but in an interconnected world we need to learn to get along and I believe that the ideas that our race, religion or nation is superior needs to be done away with and replaced with ‘we are all one humanity’ but through education. It will take generations for this to be achieved. Many people already accept oneness but it’s those who don’t that are causing wars and conflicts. So the way to go I believe is we must be clever and fight darkness with light. The light of knowledge that we are one and for that to become international law in the form of world citizenship.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It is biologically ingrained into human DNA to divide people into US and THEM. If we didn't divide over religion or nationality or race or tribe, we would divide by which end of the egg is cracked.
ppp
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Hmmm. the word 'acquired' implies that the prejudices were gotten from somewhere else. Whereas, it is clear that our prejudices are produced by our own thinking.
Too broad a statement. Treaties and ceasefires are often temporary. But you are ignoring the ceasefires and treaties that have given lasting results so that you can make that wild overreach.
This was turning into a run-on sentence, so I am putting a period here. Again, while that is one of the problems that we have, that is not "the" problem. It is one of the problems. Moreover it is not one of our problems today. It has been one of our problems throughout the extent of human history. It is not new to now. And it not worse now. It is much safer for me to travel the US today than it would have been for my parents when I was born back in the 60's.
Ok.
You need to do some more research into what this means, and how it applies. When Lewis and Clark took their expedition across the US almost every group they encountered were literally tribal. The expedition, known as the Lewis and Clark Expedition, took place from 1804 to 1806 and was a peaceful mission for the most part. Their interactions with Native American tribes were primarily diplomatic and trade-oriented.
Being tribal does not mean that you have a hostile or prejudicial nature. In fact, I would take pains to highlight that it was the nationals who introduced the amped-up prejudices, broken treaties and genocide over two continents.
History is replete with examples of entities—be it nations, leaders, or organizations—claiming a desire to unite humanity or bring about peace, but whose real intentions or actions led to conquest and domination. This pattern is seen across different eras and civilizations and is a critical aspect of understanding historical narratives.
The proclaimed intention of uniting or bringing peace can sometimes be a facade for more self-serving or aggressive goals. It's a reminder of the importance of critically examining historical and current events, looking beyond official rhetoric to understand the true motives and consequences of actions taken by groups espousing such philosophies.
Is the Baha'i slogan ‘we are all one humanity’ or 'oneness of humanity' a facade for more self-serving or aggressive goals? What have you done to earn my trust?
Luckily we can educate ourselves to rise above baser instincts. Luckily, in the same way, using higher morals and judgements, we can use that knowledge for the good of all humanity, not just the well to do 1%.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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Yes, I agree with you. The context is clearly about a boy in Isaiah's time... That when that boy reaches a certain age, the two enemies kings will be dead.
What I'm wondering is why Baha'is accept the virgin birth as true. I understand why Christians do, but Baha'is are told to investigate truth for themselves and verify what's true and what's man-made traditions. I find it hard to believe that they can honestly look at the verses in Isaiah chapter 7 and say that those verses are about Jesus.
And I don't know if they have researched it but are just going along with what their religion tells them. But what can they do? The Baha'i writings say Jesus was born of a virgin, the Christian New Testament says Jesus was born of a virgin, so to deny the virgin birth, and to deny that Isaiah 7:14 predicted it, they are going against both their religion and Christianity. So, I got the answer I expected... no answer.