Should the oneness of humanity be taught in all schools worldwide

[Vinayaka]

In my non religious family I was taught by example
and word , values far superior to those of Christianity.

Me too, actually. Mostly by example. Dad enjoyed taunting racist neighbors.

 

[F1fan]

If people would be equal, they would all have the freedom to have own opinions. Forcing people to think everything is the same, is in my opinion wrong. This is why I think it would be better to teach people math, reading and writing and then let them be free to have own opinions. It is enough, if murder, stealing and lying are not accepted.

How about teaching critical thinking skills, even if that leads to more people rejecting religion because they are better able to reason through the claims and lack of evidence they are exposed to?

 

[exchemist]

I went to a Catholic school in England in the 1960s, and I wasn’t taught any of that. I’m pretty sure it would have been the end of any teacher’s career even then (it certainly would be now) to teach that Jews or other minority groups were evil.

Same here. Unbelievable.

 

[Audie]

How about teaching critical thinking skills, even if that leads to more people rejecting religion because they are better able to reason through the claims and lack of evidence they are exposed to?

Thats going too far, too deep into the dread
realm of freedom.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Bull manure in my view, it is the right that wants to cut as much funding to public schools as it can get away with so that kids have inadequate teachers, inadequate equipment etc that's ruined public schools in the US.

Can you explain the benefit of making kids repeat given that;
'Repeating a grade―also known as "grade retention" ―has not been shown to help children learn. Children won't outgrow learning and attention issues by repeating a grade. In fact, repeating a grade may contribute to long-term issues with low self-esteem, as well as emotional or social difficulties.'

Source: Should My Child Repeat a Grade?.

Children learn best in a classroom where they have input plus one teaching. That means the teacher begins at the student's current level of knowledge, and adds just one layer more. That cannot happen in classrooms where students are significantly behind. The starting level would not be that of their current understanding, but would be above it, and then would introduce new material even farther above that. The net result is that the student simply feels totally lost, and does not learn. It is cruel.

 

[danieldemol]

Children learn best in a classroom where they have input plus one teaching. That means the teacher begins at the student's current level of knowledge, and adds just one layer more. That cannot happen in classrooms where students are significantly behind. The starting level would not be that of their current understanding, but would be above it, and then would introduce new material even farther above that. The net result is that the student simply feels totally lost, and does not learn. It is cruel.

If its so cruel why do you want to perpetuate it by keeping them in their current grade forever even though that simply adds self esteem issues to their cruelty, does not result in any additional learning as well as adding emotional or social difficulties to the pile of cruelty?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If its so cruel why do you want to perpetuate it by keeping them in their current grade forever even though that simply adds self esteem issues to their cruelty, does not result in any additional learning as well as adding emotional or social difficulties to the pile of cruelty?

I am unable to respond to your question, because it doesn't make sense.

 

[JustGeorge]

If its so cruel why do you want to perpetuate it by keeping them in their current grade forever even though that simply adds self esteem issues to their cruelty, does not result in any additional learning as well as adding emotional or social difficulties to the pile of cruelty?

I have mixed feelings.

My oldest son should have been held back. Perhaps more than once. Not only because he wasn't where he needed to be academically, he wasn't where he should be socially. He was one of the youngest in the grade, one of the smallest in the grade(which further opened him to bullying). We(his teachers and I) fought to have him held back in the younger years, but were always denied. He suffered for that through the rest of his schooling.

He's graduating this year. I still wish he'd been held back. He just isn't quite ready for the real world yet.

 

[danieldemol]

I am unable to respond to your question, because it doesn't make sense.

Then why don't you start with which specific parts you are having a problem.

Is English your second language?

 

[Audie]

Then why don't you start with which specific parts you are having a problem.

Is English your second language?

Pick on us ESL people, will ya???

 

[danieldemol]

I have mixed feelings.

My oldest son should have been held back. Perhaps more than once. Not only because he wasn't where he needed to be academically, he wasn't where he should be socially. He was one of the youngest in the grade, one of the smallest in the grade(which further opened him to bullying). We(his teachers and I) fought to have him held back in the younger years, but were always denied. He suffered for that through the rest of his schooling.

He's graduating this year. I still wish he'd been held back. He just isn't quite ready for the real world yet.

Maybe your son should have been held back due to his young age i don't know.

But the problem is people in positions of power should be making evidence based decisions rather than simply going on the gut feelings of people in my view. It may be for example be that the evidence seems to indicate that people like your son would not be any better prepared than he is now by being held back.

If its the case that he would not be better prepared what advantage would an extra year of schooling be? It might be better just to get him the social assistance he needs to find suitable employment rather than perpetuating schooling.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I have mixed feelings.

My oldest son should have been held back. Perhaps more than once. Not only because he wasn't where he needed to be academically, he wasn't where he should be socially. He was one of the youngest in the grade, one of the smallest in the grade(which further opened him to bullying). We(his teachers and I) fought to have him held back in the younger years, but were always denied. He suffered for that through the rest of his schooling.

He's graduating this year. I still wish he'd been held back. He just isn't quite ready for the real world yet.

I understand. I made the decision for my son, who is autistic, to repeat first grade. He was eventually placed in a special education class. In high school, I transferred him to a Charter School that allowed him to learn at his own pace. It was a miracle, but he did successfully graduate from HS when he was 21.

 

[danieldemol]

Pick on us ESL people, will ya???

I'm not picking on him, it is helpful to know why a person is having basic comprehension issues as I see it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Then why don't you start with which specific parts you are having a problem.

Is English your second language?

Not at all. In fact, I'm certified to teach English. So what's your excuse for asking an unintelligible question? You need to examine your remark to see how it embeds all sorts of assumptions that are not true.

 

[danieldemol]

Not at all. In fact, I'm certified to teach English. So what's your excuse for asking an unintelligible question? You need to examine your remark to see how it embeds all sorts of assumptions that are not true.

'The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) believes children are most successful when they are supported to advance grade levels with their peers, when possible, while reasons behind their lack of academic progress are sorted out and addressed.'
Source: Should My Child Repeat a Grade?

There is a disclaimer "when possible" so they may have reasons to still hold back certain students, however although the possible reasons a student may be held back should be known it is true as a general rule in my view.

 

[Vinayaka]

I have mixed feelings.

My oldest son should have been held back. Perhaps more than once. Not only because he wasn't where he needed to be academically, he wasn't where he should be socially. He was one of the youngest in the grade, one of the smallest in the grade(which further opened him to bullying). We(his teachers and I) fought to have him held back in the younger years, but were always denied. He suffered for that through the rest of his schooling.

He's graduating this year. I still wish he'd been held back. He just isn't quite ready for the real world yet.

This has been an issue over a long time, in education. For me, it was always an educated guess on an individual basis. Some kids really benefitted, especially at the younger grades, but others, when they repeated, just made the same mistakes 2 years in a row. Boss and I got around the 'being behind academically' issue by home schooling for a year. My eldest son really benefitted by having a tutor (his mother). In an average grade 6 class, there is an academic range from about grade 3 to at least high school, maybe higher. The great teachers try to individualise, but with 25 students, that is a daydream. It's a hard call, and there are no obvious solutions.

 

[JustGeorge]

Maybe your son should have been held back due to his young age i don't know.

But the problem is people in positions of power should be making evidence based decisions rather than simply going on the gut feelings of people in my view. It may be for example be that the evidence seems to indicate that people like your son would not be any better prepared than he is now by being held back.

There's a lot to be said for the proper people making the decisions. In this case, all the people that worked with him(which included several seasoned teachers) thought it was the right thing to do. It was people sitting in offices looking at documents that didn't know him at all that made the decision to put him forward.

If its the case that he would not be better prepared what advantage would an extra year of schooling be? It might be better just to get him the social assistance he needs to find suitable employment rather than perpetuating schooling.

Its probably too late now, I could agree. However, if he'd been allowed an extra year(or even two) at preschool would have done so much good. (I say this because due to some strange loophole regarding the time of year my middle son was born, he was allowed that extra year, and did so much better for it.)

The time to do it is when they're young, in my opinion. The older they get, the less benefit. If my oldest had been able to grow up alongside kids who were closer to him developmentally, it would have done him so much good(academically and socially).

I think every case is individual.

I understand. I made the decision for my son, who is autistic, to repeat first grade. He was eventually placed in a special education class. In high school, I transferred him to a Charter School that allowed him to learn at his own pace. It was a miracle, but he did successfully graduate from HS when he was 21.

My oldest two are both autistic. I wasn't allowed that decision to hold back my oldest. My middle son didn't require it after the three years of preschool, though he was much more profoundly affected by autism and in a special ed setting from the start.

When Covid hit and the schools closed, my middle son went from being non-verbal to verbal. We decided to homeschool him for several years, in which he thrived, until this summer hit. His meds stopped working, and he had an ongoing mental health crisis. The meds are in the process of being hammered out(with increasing success), but we've decided to work him back in to help him cope with some of the increased restlessness that puberty is bringing.

My youngest is my first to not have autism! He starts kindergarten next year. I've decided to dual enroll. (Does part of his work in school, part he'll be homeschooled for.)

 

[danieldemol]

There's a lot to be said for the proper people making the decisions. In this case, all the people that worked with him(which included several seasoned teachers) thought it was the right thing to do. It was people sitting in offices looking at documents that didn't know him at all that made the decision to put him forward.

I'm truly sorry it happened that way.

Its probably too late now, I could agree. However, if he'd been allowed an extra year(or even two) at preschool would have done so much good. (I say this because due to some strange loophole regarding the time of year my middle son was born, he was allowed that extra year, and did so much better for it.)

The time to do it is when they're young, in my opinion. The older they get, the less benefit. If my oldest had been able to grow up alongside kids who were closer to him developmentally, it would have done him so much good(academically and socially).

I think every case is individual.

Well I agree that every case is individual and that is probably part of why a paediatrician (and any other necessary specialists) should be consulted on each case in my view.

 

[JustGeorge]

I'm truly sorry it happened that way.

Well I agree that every case is individual and that is probably part of why a paediatrician (and any other necessary specialists) should be consulted on each case in my view.

I think that would be a good step.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

'The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) believes children are most successful when they are supported to advance grade levels with their peers, when possible, while reasons behind their lack of academic progress are sorted out and addressed.'
Source: Should My Child Repeat a Grade?

There is a disclaimer "when possible" so they may have reasons to still hold back certain students, however although the possible reasons a student may be held back should be known it is true as a general rule in my view.

I understand that this philosophy is very popular, especially among leftists. But reality has shown that automatic progression does NOT help kids catch up, and is one of the major factors in the plummet of reading and math skills, since students are not required to learn.