Signs of The End: A Baha'i View

[InvestigateTruth]

From Islamic view Jesus pbuh raised to heaven and will be back in similar way.

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. (4:157)

(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ. (3:55)

So from verse 4:157 it is very clear that they didn't slay or crucify him,so simply he didn't die.

in verse 3:55 it is clear that god ascent Jesus pbuh to him to heaven

Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision. (3:169)

This verse is different that the one who have been slain in the way of god will be saved and of course his body was dead,so he'll have a new body.

So as i can see that Islam view do contradict christian view,whereas Bahai view is saying both are correct and that can't be.

DearFear God,

Thank you for quoting the verses of Quran regarding this.
So, let's make this clear.
The verse 4:157, can be understood in different ways:

"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain." (4:157)


1) One way, is that, as you said, Jesus was not crucified nor killed.

2) second way is that, the verse does not say, Jesus was not crucified, but it says, "they (the Jews) did not crucify Him", but it was Allah who wanted Him to be killed. In another Words, it was not Jews who thought they have power to crucify Jesus, but it was the Will of God for Jesus to be Cruicified and killed and ascend to Him.

and in fact there are other verses in Quran that says, God made Jesus Die:

"Remember when God said, "O Jesus! verily I will cause thee to die, and will take thee up to myself and deliver thee from those who believe not; and I will place those who follow thee above those who believe not, until the day of resurrection. Then, to me is your return, and wherein ye differ will I decide between you." (3:55)

al-Imran 3:55

This view, is farther supported from Quran, that it is God, who makes everyone die, not others. For example:

"Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower" (Koran 8.17).

Does this mean the Muslims didn't fight? Clearly, the Moslems fought and slew them, but it was the Will of God.


3) the Third way, is that, the verse can be a spiritual verse, and not talking about the physical body of Jesus. It could be talking about the Spirit of Jesus that was not crucified nor killed.
This view is also supported by verses from Quran and Bible:

"There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corin. 15:44
"They will ask thee of the spirit. Say, 'The spirit comes at the bidding of my Lord, and ye are given but a little knowledge thereof.'" Quran 17:85

So, it could be that the verse is talking about, the Spiritual body, but not the natural body.

Therefore as you can see, the verse is not clear, as it can be interpreted in different ways. Therefore, this verse requires Taweel (interpretation).

Moreover in verse 3:55 it says: "...wherein ye differ will I decide between you." (3:55)

If you remember, only God knows the interpretation of verses that require Taweel.(See Quran 3:7) and He decides between us.
Moreover, according to Quran, its Taweel was to come in 1000 years.
And when its Taweel came, I know, the verse does not mean Jesus physically ascended to sky, but it is talking about spiritual reality of Jesus. In another words, it was the Will of God, that His Messenger be cruicified and killed, in the Path of God, so He ascends to Heaven.

Therefore, I do not see any contradiction between Quran and Bible.
Moreover, there is no verse in Quran that says, Heaven is in the sky. There is no verse in Quran that says, Heaven is a materialistic place. It says, the parable of heaven is like a place with river, trees, fruits, etc…

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I have not deserted you or given up, I have been busy with a missionary family this weekend and will try to comment on each of your posts adressed to me tomorrow,by evening.Thank you and I miss you all

Sure, we miss you too, hope you enjoy the time with family.

Moreover, as to your previous comments about differences between Quran and Bible regarding the Crucification of Christ, please see my posts #60 and #61. I have shown there is no difference between Quran and Bible necessarily, except if one believes that Quran has to be interpreted literally. However Quran explicitly says, there are verses in Quran that are not literal.

 

[FearGod]

DearFear God,

Thank you for quoting the verses of Quran regarding this.
So, let's make this clear.
The verse 4:157, can be understood in different ways:

"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain." (4:157)


1) One way, is that, as you said, Jesus was not crucified nor killed.

2) second way is that, the verse does not say, Jesus was not crucified, but it says, "they (the Jews) did not crucify Him", but it was Allah who wanted Him to be killed. In another Words, it was not Jews who thought they have power to crucify Jesus, but it was the Will of God for Jesus to be Cruicified and killed and ascend to Him.

and in fact there are other verses in Quran that says, God made Jesus Die:

"Remember when God said, "O Jesus! verily I will cause thee to die, and will take thee up to myself and deliver thee from those who believe not; and I will place those who follow thee above those who believe not, until the day of resurrection. Then, to me is your return, and wherein ye differ will I decide between you." (3:55)

al-Imran 3:55

This view, is farther supported from Quran, that it is God, who makes everyone die, not others. For example:

"Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower" (Koran 8.17).

Does this mean the Muslims didn't fight? Clearly, the Moslems fought and slew them, but it was the Will of God.


3) the Third way, is that, the verse can be a spiritual verse, and not talking about the physical body of Jesus. It could be talking about the Spirit of Jesus that was not crucified nor killed.
This view is also supported by verses from Quran and Bible:

"There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corin. 15:44
"They will ask thee of the spirit. Say, 'The spirit comes at the bidding of my Lord, and ye are given but a little knowledge thereof.'" Quran 17:85

So, it could be that the verse is talking about, the Spiritual body, but not the natural body.

Therefore as you can see, the verse is not clear, as it can be interpreted in different ways. Therefore, this verse requires Taweel (interpretation).

Moreover in verse 3:55 it says: "...wherein ye differ will I decide between you." (3:55)

If you remember, only God knows the interpretation of verses that require Taweel.(See Quran 3:7) and He decides between us.
Moreover, according to Quran, its Taweel was to come in 1000 years.
And when its Taweel came, I know, the verse does not mean Jesus physically ascended to sky, but it is talking about spiritual reality of Jesus. In another words, it was the Will of God, that His Messenger be cruicified and killed, in the Path of God, so He ascends to Heaven.

Therefore, I do not see any contradiction between Quran and Bible.
Moreover, there is no verse in Quran that says, Heaven is in the sky. There is no verse in Quran that says, Heaven is a materialistic place. It says, the parable of heaven is like a place with river, trees, fruits, etc…

Dear InvestigateTruth

May i ask you one question ?

What is the importance of knowing that Jesus pbuh was raised as spirit or as body.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus pbuh was god,but just a messenger,but did god raised him to heaven as body or as spirit got no importance at all.

Better if you'll try to convince the others about the fact that god is only one than talking about matters which isn't important in our direct relationship to god.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Dear InvestigateTruth

May i ask you one question ?

What is the importance of knowing that Jesus pbuh was raised as spirit or as body.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus pbuh was god,but just a messenger,but did god raised him to heaven as body or as spirit got no importance at all.

Better if you'll try to convince the others about the fact that god is only one than talking about matters which isn't important in our direct relationship to god.

I agree. Fundamentally, there are a lot more important things than this.
In fact, in the entire Writings of Baha'ullah and the Bab, which is more than 100 Volumes of Scriptures, I have never seen anything that talks about this issue directly. Only when they asked Abdulbaha, He clarified this subject.

However, as many people have heard and believed that Jesus physically went up, or if He was Crucified or Not, or physically comes down, then these discussions comes up.
As regards to the station of Jesus or any other Manifestations of God, who brought the Message of God to humanity, I have already discussed in post #10, from the Bible, that there is no contradiction with Quran.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

In all due respect you disregard very important doctrines of Christianity, One is the resurrection of Christ in the body. This is not spiritual, symbolic or figurative, when he came to Thomas and to his disciples on the road to amayas, He showed his hands and asked them to examine him, "put your finger in my wounds, feel my side, it is I ,believe!" how do you interpret this?

Dear LadyB,

In addition to all other Biblical reasons in my previous posts regarding proofs that, descending from Heaven or ascension to Heaven is a spiritual reality, and not a materialistic fact, AND all the Biblical proofs that shows, the Bible was sealed, and only the promised one was to remove the seals, Now, to farther show that the appearance of Christ to His disciples is a spiritual reality which are expressed using symbolic stories, I give these reasons:

According to Bible Moses appeared to them as well:

“Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.” Matthew 17:3
The above verse likewise is symbolic, even according to some Christians.


If we read those paragraphs in Bible regarding the appearance of Christ to the Disciples, we might see some hints that shows, this is not a literal fact.

For example: in John 20:19 it says:

"...when the doors were shut….came Jesus and stood in the midst….”

It does not say, anybody opened the door to let Jesus in, but it says, “when the doors were shut”


Likewise in Acts 1:11, it rebukes them for looking in the sky, to expect Jesus return physically from the Sky:

“…they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky?...”

Meaning, the coming of Jesus is not physically from sky, but the same way He left. Which means, He did not leave physically.

 

[savagewind]

One is the resurrection of Christ in the body This is not spiritual, symbolic or figurative, when he came to Thomas and to his disciples on the road to amayas, He showed his hands and asked them to examine him, "put your finger in my wounds, feel my side, it is I ,believe!" how do you interpret this?

God is Spirit. The universe is physical. Spirit can make physical. Is that not what John 20:27-29 means? It is my opinion that it means the making of a physical body, not the being a physical body.

Genesis 10:1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning"

 

[Lady B]

Originally Posted by Investigate truth
Those who wrote Bible, did not say, they are writing literal words. Neither they said do not
use science. Neither they said other religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and the future
religions are not from God. Neither they said there was not another prophet before Adam.
Unless you want to show me this is what they said?

On what evidence do Christians base this claim that Jesus is the only way? Mainly on Jesus' own words. Jesus claimed to be the only Savior "I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). From His own words, both
Jesus' followers and his opponents recognized that He claimed to be God, the only one able
to save us from sin and death (see also John 20:24-29; John 10:31-33).
If Buddhism,Hinduism,Islam,Bahai'ism ect.. Contradict this, then indeed The Bible says these religions are not from God.simple really don't you agree?
As for Adam being the first created man, The Bible indeed says this and literally not
symbolically.
As you yourself posted:1 Corinthians 15:45 (ESV)
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Genesis 2:5–8 (ESV)
5 When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet
sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to
work the ground, 6 and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face
...
Genesis 2:18 (ESV)
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a
helper fit for him.”
Genesis 3:20 (ESV)
20 The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
So if there were people on the earth when God created Adam, where did they go? The
bible teaches Adam brought sin into the world and death was a result of sin, so surely the
prior humans would not have died, so why is it no man worked the ground? Why is it God saw
Adam should not be alone? Why is Eve named mother of all the earth?

Now to examine what Dyanaprajina has declared correctly.

Depending on who you ask:
-Paul did say something to the effect of understanding the Bible literally

....................................
Let us look at how the bible says it needs be interpreted shall we?
Notice what the prophet Isaiah taught:
Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message?...For
precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a
little, there a little"... But the word of the LORD was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little,
there a little," (Isaiah 28:9,10, 13 NKJV).
In other words, the Bible was supposed to be understood based upon what it says in many
places.
Notice what the Apostle Paul wrote:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly
equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV).
In other words, scripture is given by God for doctrine and contains enough information that
the man of God may be complete.
Notice what the Apostle Peter taught:
15...also Our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard
to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do
also the rest of the Scriptures (2 Peter 3:15-16).
Thus, even back then people who would not learn from the apostles were twisting
scriptures--claiming they meant something other than what they said

-Paul was very much against science and philosophy

Now, what did the apostle Paul say about philosophy?
'See to it that no-one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which
depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.'
(Colossians 2:8, NIV).
-Almost all New Testament writers were adamant that Christianity was the only true
religion, and that all others were false
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by
which we must be saved.”—Acts 4:12

-Paul called Adam, the first man, so it would seem illogical to think that he believed in other prophets before Adam

( previously answered)

In summery: The bible is to be taken literal in the things that are literal. The bible sure has
some things symbolic and mystery, This does not set a rule for interpreting scripture entirely
symbolic. When Daniel and Elijah speak of the seal, This in no way means all God's word is not
understandable to us,and that we are left to our own devices.

I am slowly working my way through your posts, bear with me please

 

[savagewind]

The first man Adam a living soul means more than just being alive. The word used for living at 1 Corinthians 15:45 has a spiritual essence about it.

Greek Concordance: ????? (z?san) -- 5 Occurrences

He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive Acts 9:41
Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship Romans 12:1
by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body Hebrews 10:20
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Peter 1:3

Genesis 2:5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,

The people before the man called Adam were hunter gatherers, not land cultivators.

 

[Lady B]

The first man Adam a living soul means more than just being alive. The word used for living at 1 Corinthians 15:45 has a spiritual essence about it.

Greek Concordance: ????? (z?san) -- 5 Occurrences

He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive Acts 9:41
Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship Romans 12:1
by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body Hebrews 10:20
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Peter 1:3

Genesis 2:5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,

The people before the man called Adam were hunter gatherers, not land cultivators.

where do you find proof of this?

 

[savagewind]

where do you find proof of this?

Archaeology

What I mean is Adam is defined as the man who cultivates the ground to make it a garden. There exists fossil evidence that there were people before 6000 years ago but people were first gatherers and hunters then cultivators. Do you disagree with the fossil evidence?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

On what evidence do Christians base this claim that Jesus is the only way? Mainly on Jesus' own words. Jesus claimed to be the only Savior "I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). From His own words, both
Jesus' followers and his opponents recognized that He claimed to be God, the only one able
to save us from sin and death (see also John 20:24-29; John 10:31-33).
If Buddhism,Hinduism,Islam,Bahai'ism ect.. Contradict this, then indeed The Bible says these religions are not from God.simple really don't you agree?
As for Adam being the first created man, The Bible indeed says this and literally not
symbolically.

Dear LadyB,

It is True that Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life"
But if you remember, according to Scriptures, Jesus said: "I only say what Father says, the way He says it"

Now, these words coming out of Jesus, is in fact, what God also, said, coming out of the Mouth of Baha'u'llah, who claimed to be the Return of Christ. He also said, He is the Way, and Guide to the Truth.
Moreover, other Divine Messengers who were saying the Word of God, claimed, they are the Way to God and Truth.
So, I do not see any contradiction. This is because, it was God who spoke through them, and anointing them to be the Way.

 

[savagewind]

Dear LadyB,

It is True that Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life"
But if you remember, according to Scriptures, Jesus said: "I only say what Father says, the way He says it"

Now, these words coming out of Jesus, is in fact, what God also, said, coming out of the Mouth of Baha'u'llah, who claimed to be the Return of Christ. He also said, He is the Way, and Guide to the Truth.
Moreover, other Divine Messengers who were saying the Word of God, claimed, they are the Way to God and Truth.
So, I do not see any contradiction. This is because, it was God who spoke through them, and anointing them to be the Way.

Like a road sign! But please..... don't hug the road sign to be loving it. The sign is not to love. The road is not to love. It is the destination that is to be loved. The destination is The True God. Zephaniah 2:3

 

[Lady B]

Archaeology

What I mean is Adam is defined as the man who cultivates the ground to make it a garden. There exists fossil evidence that there were people before 6000 years ago but people were first gatherers and hunters then cultivators. Do you disagree with the fossil evidence?

Yes actually I do disagree with the fossil evidence, and believe 100% that the fossils in layers were due to noah's flood and not millions of years. that is an entirely diferent topic and will take much time to show, however If I may use your mind a little and cause you to consider something...

when God gives his creation story and on the 6th day creates Adam, what did he then ponder? " he saw that it was good" now imagine a earth where millions of dead things are layered in, skeletons, fossils ect... would God see death as Good? No he would not. death came into the world through the sin of Adam. The first death was when God killed the animal to provide clothing for adam and eve after the sin.
prior to the fall of Adam, the creation was "good"

 

[Lady B]

Dear LadyB,

It is True that Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life"
But if you remember, according to Scriptures, Jesus said: "I only say what Father says, the way He says it"

Now, these words coming out of Jesus, is in fact, what God also, said, coming out of the Mouth of Baha'u'llah, who claimed to be the Return of Christ. He also said, He is the Way, and Guide to the Truth.
Moreover, other Divine Messengers who were saying the Word of God, claimed, they are the Way to God and Truth.
So, I do not see any contradiction. This is because, it was God who spoke through them, and anointing them to be the Way.

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Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
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Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and
miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.
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John 5:43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else
comes in his own name, you will accept him.
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John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one
I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins."
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John 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that
I am [the one I claim to be] and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father
has taught me.

Christ did not in anyway say he will come back as Bahulala. You take scripture for the coming of the Holy Spirit in the days directly after the ascension of Christ and use them to prophesy your prophet. The day of Pentecost happened as Christ said it would. He ordered his disciples to go to Jerusalem and wait this. You can twist and MIS -use any scripture you like, but it does not equate Christ came back as Bahulala, said some nice words and died and was buried. If that were possibly true, we Christians would be so very disappointed in God. For Christ made promises and prophesies that did not occur in Bahulala's time.

I would desire to read and learn more on your prophet and see how he had the audacity to claim God-ship in any shape or form. I would also like to see his miracles and see his prophecies and their fulfillment. I would like you to show me and let me test him as God tells us to do. Let us start there because all other things are wasting both our time and energy, we must go to the authority first, prove he has authority to speak for God, then we must listen. Deal?

 

[savagewind]

The first death was when God killed the animal to provide clothing for adam and eve after the sin.

It is an entirely new thought to me that death did not exist until Adham. 6000 years ago? It is my opinion that that is not possible to believe. And there exists many people and kids too that will ask "what about the dinosaurs?". Life died a million years before Adham. Please explain what you mean!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Dear LadyB,

I have already replied to the above, in my post #45, #50, #51.
Please see those first if you would like a proper discussion. Because, this tells me you have not read them!
Moreover, According to the logic you are using, The Prophets in the Old Testament said, Messiah's Name is Immanuel. And they said, there will be False Prophets too.
Yes, Jesus said, there Will be False Prophets, but did not say, there will not be True Prophets. In fact, He said, you can know the True Prophets by their Fruits.

 

[savagewind]

Christ did not in anyway say he will come back as Bahulala

I agree! Does Bahulala say he is coming as christ? Is he a wise man who knows how to reason?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

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Let us start there because all other things are wasting both our time and energy, we must go to the authority first, prove he has authority to speak for God, then we must listen. Deal?

As regards to the proof. Baha'u'llah is the Proof. All you need to study His Character, His Teachings, His knowledge.
This is something everyone should do on their own.
The topic of the Thread is "the signs of the end". So, please let's keep the discussion as much possible within the subject.

Now regarding proof, Lets see what Baha'u'llah has said:


"O affectionate seeker! Shouldst thou soar in the holy realm of the spirit, thou wouldst recognize God manifest and exalted above all things, in such wise that thine eyes would behold none else but Him. “God was alone; there was none else besides Him.” So lofty is this station that no testimony can bear it witness, neither evidence do justice to its truth. Wert thou to explore the sacred domain of truth, thou wilt find that all things are known only by the light of His recognition, that He hath ever been, and will continue for ever to be, known through Himself. And if thou dwellest in the land of testimony, content thyself with that which He, Himself, hath revealed: “Is it not enough for them that We have sent down unto Thee the Book?” This is the testimony which He, Himself, hath ordained; greater proof than this there is none, nor ever will be: “This proof is His Word; His own Self, the testimony of His truth.”"
- Baha'u'llah, Book of Certitude

“To seek evidence, when the Proof hath been established is but an unseemly act, and to be busied with the pursuit of knowledge when the Object of all learning hath been attained is truly blameworthy.”
- Baha'u'llah, Book of Certitude

The proof of the sun is the light thereof, which shineth and envelopeth all things. The evidence of the shower is the bounty thereof, which reneweth and investeth the world with the mantle of life. Yea, the blind can perceive naught from the sun except its heat, and the arid soil hath no share of the showers of mercy. “Marvel not if in the Qur’án the unbeliever perceiveth naught but the trace of letters, for in the sun, the blind findeth naught but heat.”
- Baha'u'lla, Book of Certitude

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I agree! Does Bahulala say he is coming as christ? Is he a wise man who knows how to reason?

Dear Savagewind,

Have you read my post in: #45, #50, #51?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Like a road sign! But please..... don't hug the road sign to be loving it. The sign is not to love. The road is not to love. It is the destination that is to be loved. The destination is The True God. Zephaniah 2:3

Dear Savagewind, Please see my post #10.

According to Bible, Jesus is the image of God. I have fully explained this in #10.
The Manifestations of God are Mirrors that reflect the image of God, His Words and His Will to Mankind.
Now, God the Omnipotant is capable of Creating the Mirror in every Age.