Signs of The End: A Baha'i View

[kylixguru]

Let's talk about them one by one. First regarding davidic Throne.
Non of the verses you have quoted, is using the word "blood line" if we want to look at them the way, you look at the Baha'i Scriptures.
The verses in Bible uses the word "Branch" or in some Translations "Throne of David"

For example:

"But King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established
before the LORD forever." 1. King 2:45

In the verse I quoted from Baha'u'llah, He is clearly refering to Himself as the Ancient Beauty on the Throne of David.

"THE Most Great Law is come, and the Ancient Beauty ruleth upon the throne of David. Thus hath My Pen spoken that which the histories of bygone ages have related. At this time, however, David crieth aloud and saith: ‘O my loving Lord! Do Thou number me with such as have stood steadfast in Thy Cause, O Thou through Whom the faces have been illumined, and the footsteps have slipped!’" - Baha'u'llah

Bahá'í Reference Library - Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 89-90



Jesus also according to Bible did not have a Physical Father. The Jews do not accept Him to fulfill this Prophecy.
However, Baha'u'llah has clearly said that in His verse.
If you are saying why Baha'u'llah did not use the Word "Bloodline", then I tell you, the Bible also does not use the Word Blood Line either. So, let's be fair in our Judgements.

Moreover, just to give you some background to Baha'i Faith, Baha'u'llah in His Written Will, anounced that after Him, Abdulbaha is the Infallible Succesor, and He Perfectly knows the Knowledge of the Verses of God. So, if you are looking to Baha'i Revelation, the Proper Way is to know that the guidance and interpretation of Scriptures continued until Shoghi Effendi, and it is not proper to separate them from Baha'i Revelation.



Abdulbaha, has explained the following in His Writings:


"When Christ appeared, twenty centuries ago, although the Jews were eagerly awaiting His Coming, and prayed every day, with tears, saying: ‘O God, hasten the Revelation of the Messiah,’ yet when the Sun of Truth dawned, they denied Him and rose against Him with the greatest enmity, and eventually crucified that divine Spirit, the Word of God, and named Him Beelzebub, the evil one, as is recorded in the Gospel. The reason for this was that they said: ‘The Revelation of Christ, according to the clear text of the Torah, will be attested by certain signs, and so long as these signs have not appeared, whoso layeth claim to be a Messiah is an impostor. Among these signs is this, that the Messiah should come from an unknown place, yet we all know this man’s house in Nazareth, and can any good thing come out of Nazareth? The second sign is that He shall rule with a rod of iron, that is, He must act with the sword, but this Messiah has not even a wooden staff. Another of the conditions and signs is this: He must sit upon the throne of David and establish David’s sovereignty. Now, far from being enthroned, this man has not even a mat to sit on. Another of the conditions is this: the promulgation of all the laws of the Torah; yet this man has abrogated these laws, and has even broken the sabbath day, although it is the clear text of the Torah that whosoever layeth claim to prophethood and revealeth miracles and breaketh the sabbath day, must be put to death. Another of the signs is this, that in His reign justice will be so advanced that righteousness and well-doing will extend from the human even to the animal world—the snake and the mouse will share one hole, and the eagle and the partridge one nest, the lion and the gazelle shall dwell in one pasture, and the wolf and the kid shall drink from one fountain. Yet now, injustice and tyranny have waxed so great in His time that they have crucified Him! Another of the conditions is this, that in the days of the Messiah the Jews will prosper and triumph over all the peoples of the world, but now they are living in the utmost abasement and servitude in the empire of the Romans. Then how can this be the Messiah promised in the Torah?’

In this wise did they object to that Sun of Truth, although that Spirit of God was indeed the One promised in the Torah. But as they did not understand the meaning of these signs, they crucified the Word of God. Now the Bahá’ís hold that the recorded signs did come to pass in the Manifestation of Christ, although not in the sense which the Jews understood, the description in the Torah being allegorical. For instance, among the signs is that of sovereignty. For Bahá’ís say that the sovereignty of Christ was a heavenly, divine, everlasting sovereignty, not a Napoleonic sovereignty that vanisheth in a short time. For well nigh two thousand years this sovereignty of Christ hath been established, and until now it endureth, and to all eternity that Holy Being will be exalted upon an everlasting throne.
In like manner all the other signs have been made manifest, but the Jews did not understand. Although nearly twenty centuries have elapsed since Christ appeared with divine splendour, yet the Jews are still awaiting the coming of the Messiah and regard themselves as true and Christ as false. " Selection From the Witings of Abdulbaha,p.38​

"In Isaiah, chapter 11, verses 1 to 10, it is said: “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him.....

.....This rod out of the stem of Jesse might be correctly applied to Christ, for Joseph was of the descendants of Jesse, the father of David; but as Christ found existence through the Spirit of God, He called Himself the Son of God. If He had not done so, this description would refer to Him. Besides this, the events which he indicated as coming to pass in the days of that rod, if interpreted symbolically, were in part fulfilled in the day of Christ, but not all; and if not interpreted, then decidedly none of these signs happened.
.....But these verses apply word for word to Bahá’u’lláh....."
Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions, p.32


Moreover, the other verses I gave from Baha'u'llah, is clearly saying "I am".
If you like to read them within the context, here are references:

"Turn ye away from all that is on earth and seek none else but Me. I am the Sun of Wisdom and the Ocean of Knowledge. I cheer the faint and revive the dead. I am the guiding Light that illumineth the way. I am the royal Falcon on the arm of the Almighty. I unfold the drooping wings of every broken bird and start it on its flight" - Baha'u'llah

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TU/tu-3.html

"I am the One Whom the tongue of Isaiah hath extolled, the One with Whose name both the Torah and the Evangel were adorned…. Blessed be the king whose sovereignty hath withheld him not from his Sovereign, and who hath turned unto God with his heart. " - Baha'u'llah
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/PB/pb-7.html.utf8


Please let's try to keep the subject within the scope of thread "Signs of the End"

As I suspected, these were not personal claims.
When read in the complete context there is no direct personal association being made.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

As I suspected, these were not personal claims.
When read in the complete context there is no direct personal association being made.

Well, If that is the conclusion you made for yourself, then It was nice chatting with you.

 

[kylixguru]

Well, If that is the conclusion you made for yourself, then It was nice chatting with you.

Yes, that is what was apparent to me.

Do all Bahai think of Baha'u'llah as the King-Messiah of the end times or just some?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yes, that is what was apparent to me.

Do all Bahai think of Baha'u'llah as the King-Messiah of the end times or just some?

Dear Kylixguru,

Firstly, Baha'u'llah did not claim, He is the King Messiah.
King Messiah is the Title of the First coming of Christ., not the second coming. Jesus was the one who fulfilled the Prophecies regarding the King Messiah.
I had already discussed this with others, in this thread, please refer to it.

Moreover, please note that is not within the scope of this thread.

 

[kylixguru]

I noticed on the wikipedia article the following quote:

The Bahá'í teachings speak of both a "Greater Covenant",[36] being universal and endless, and a "Lesser Covenant", being unique to each religious dispensation. The Lesser Covenant is viewed as an agreement between a Messenger of God and his followers and includes social practices and the continuation of authority in the religion. At this time Bahá'ís view Bahá'u'lláh's revelation as a binding lesser covenant for his followers; in the Bahá'í writings being firm in the covenant is considered a virtue to work toward.[37] The Greater Covenant is viewed as a more enduring agreement between God and humankind, where a Manifestation of God is expected to come to humanity about every thousand years, at times of turmoil and uncertainty.


This quote seems to confirm to me that Baha'u'llah was not the advent of the Father, but rather than he is (at best) only a special messenger of God who was given a "Thus saith the Lord" level of ministration for those in his culture and time.

It seems to me people of the Bahai Faith should keep an open mind towards this Greater Covenant that is yet to come when the advent of the Father comes to give birth to an entirely new cycle of Creation.

 

[kylixguru]

Firstly, Baha'u'llah did not claim, He is the King Messiah.
King Messiah is the Title of the First coming of Christ., not the second coming.
Jesus was the one who fulfilled the Prophecies regarding the King Messiah.
I had already discussed this with others, in this thread, please refer to it.

I will look this over as you have requested.
Jesus never sat as a king and ruled the people.
He does so upon His return once all the 12 tribes of Israel are identified and gathered.

Moreover, please note that is not within the scope of this thread.

The end times King-Messiah is very relevant to me.
All of the signs of the end seem to me to point to the time when the people of Israel will be able to again have a specific covenant land and to have God as their King, who shall dwell personally among them.

How come this doesn't pertain to the Signs of the End?

 

[kylixguru]

...the Book has reminded that it is sealed, and even the learned cannot understand, once in chapter of Danial, then in Isaiah and finally in the Revelation of John. Please refer Bible to find those.

Do the Bahai Faith claim to understand this sealed Book?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I noticed on the wikipedia article the following quote:

The Bahá'í teachings speak of both a "Greater Covenant",[36] being universal and endless, and a "Lesser Covenant", being unique to each religious dispensation. The Lesser Covenant is viewed as an agreement between a Messenger of God and his followers and includes social practices and the continuation of authority in the religion. At this time Bahá'ís view Bahá'u'lláh's revelation as a binding lesser covenant for his followers; in the Bahá'í writings being firm in the covenant is considered a virtue to work toward.[37] The Greater Covenant is viewed as a more enduring agreement between God and humankind, where a Manifestation of God is expected to come to humanity about every thousand years, at times of turmoil and uncertainty.


This quote seems to confirm to me that Baha'u'llah was not the advent of the Father, but rather than he is (at best) only a special messenger of God who was given a "Thus saith the Lord" level of ministration for those in his culture and time.

It seems to me people of the Bahai Faith should keep an open mind towards this Greater Covenant that is yet to come when the advent of the Father comes to give birth to an entirely new cycle of Creation.

Dear kylixguru,

I don't think you understood these statements correctly, as you are very new to Baha'i Beliefs. But that is OK.
The greater Covenant means, that God made a covenant with Mankind that He always, guide them by sending His Manifestations.
These Manifestations are including (But not limited to): Abraham, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, The Bab and the latest one is Baha'u'llah.
Each one of these Messengers brought a revelation from God, as parts of one Progressive Revelation.
However, each one of these revelations are considered a part of the Greate Covenant.
As regards to, Baha'u'llah being the Advant of God, All Manifestations Brought the Message of God, and are considered Manifestation of God.
However, Baha'i Scriptures explain, that the Father or God, can in NO wise Himself ever appear in the Physical World. Instead He sends His Manifestations.

All the Previous Manifstations of God, had spoken of the appearance of a Great revelation at the End Time, and Baha'u'llah has fulfilled that.

"It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as God’s appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be distinguished from those that have preceded it. The designation “Seal of the Prophets” fully revealeth its high station. The Prophetic Cycle hath, verily, ended. The Eternal Truth is now come. He hath lifted up the Ensign of Power, and is now shedding upon the world the unclouded splendor of His Revelation. " - Baha'u'llah

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Page 60

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I will look this over as you have requested.
Jesus never sat as a king and ruled the people.
He does so upon His return once all the 12 tribes of Israel are identified and gathered.

There are Prophecies in Old Testament that the Jews will be scattered. And there is another Prophecy that the Jews at some point will be gathered again in Israel. Refer To History.
Both of these Prophecies are fulfilled.

The end times King-Messiah is very relevant to me.
All of the signs of the end seem to me to point to the time when the people of Israel will be able to again have a specific covenant land and to have God as their King, who shall dwell personally among them.

How come this doesn't pertain to the Signs of the End?

You have ignored that "King Messiah" was the Title of Jesus. It has nothing to do with Second Coming of Christ.
Briefly, each of the Manifestations of God had appeared with Specific Titles. Jesus appeared with the Title of "the Son", "the King Messiah", "the Image of God"...
Baha'u'llah Fulfills the following Prophecies:

"To Him Jesus Christ had referred as the “Prince of this world,” as the “Comforter” Who will “reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment,” as the “Spirit of Truth” Who “will guide you into all truth,” Who “shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak,” as the “Lord of the Vineyard,” and as the “Son of Man” Who “shall come in the glory of His Father” “in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory,” with “all the holy angels” about Him, and “all nations” gathered before His throne. To Him the Author of the Apocalypse had alluded as the “Glory of God,” as “Alpha and Omega,” “the Beginning and the End,” “the First and the Last.” Identifying His Revelation with the “third woe,” he, moreover, had extolled His Law as “a new heaven and a new earth,” as the “Tabernacle of God,” as the “Holy City,” as the “New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” To His Day Jesus Christ Himself had referred as “the regeneration when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of His glory.” To the hour of His advent St. Paul had alluded as the hour of the “last trump,” the “trump of God,” whilst St. Peter had spoken of it as the “Day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.” His Day he, furthermore, had described as “the times of refreshing,” “the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy Prophets since the world began.”
To Him Muḥammad, the Apostle of God, had alluded in His Book as the “Great Announcement,” and declared His Day to be the Day whereon “God” will “come down” “overshadowed with clouds,” the Day whereon “thy Lord shall come and the angels rank on rank,” and “The Spirit shall arise and the angels shall be ranged in order.” His advent He, in that Book, in a súrih said to have been termed by Him “the heart of the Qur’án,” had foreshadowed as that of the “third” Messenger, sent down to “strengthen” the two who preceded Him. To His Day He, in the pages of that same Book, had paid a glowing tribute, glorifying it as the “Great Day,” the “Last Day,” the “Day of God,” the “Day of Judgment,” the “Day of Reckoning,” the “Day of Mutual Deceit,” the “Day of Severing,” the “Day of Sighing,” the “Day of Meeting,” the Day “when the Decree shall be accomplished,” the Day whereon the second “Trumpet blast” will be sounded, the “Day when mankind shall stand before the Lord of the world,” and “all shall come to Him in humble guise,” the Day when “thou shalt see the mountains, which thou thinkest so firm, pass away with the passing of a cloud,” the Day “wherein account shall be taken,” “the approaching Day, when men’s hearts shall rise up, choking them, into their throats,” the Day when “all that are in the heavens and all that are on the earth shall be terror-stricken, save him whom God pleaseth to deliver,” the Day whereon “every suckling woman shall forsake her sucking babe, and every woman that hath a burden in her womb shall cast her burden,” the Day “when the earth shall shine with the light of her Lord, and the Book shall be set, and the Prophets shall be brought up, and the witnesses; and judgment shall be given between them with equity; and none shall be wronged.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - God Passes By, Pages 89-103




I have already explained these in details to others. Please refere to it.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Do the Bahai Faith claim to understand this sealed Book?

Yes. Baha'i Scriptures calims that, and more precisely, in fact has fulfilled it.
Refer to 17,000 Works of Baha'u'llah, Many Books of the Bab, Several of Books of Abdulbaha, and Shoghi Effendi.

A good start is "Book of Certitude" and "Some Answered Questions"
You can download them for Free from: Baha'i Reference Library


Good Luck Studying!

And Please Let's remember: "our Arms Too Short to Box with God"

 

[kylixguru]

Yes. Baha'i Scriptures calims that, and more precisely, in fact has fulfilled it.
Refer to 17,000 Works of Baha'u'llah, Many Books of the Bab, Several of Books of Abdulbaha, and Shoghi Effendi.

A good start is "Book of Certitude" and "Some Answered Questions"
You can download them for Free from: Baha'i Reference Library

Good Luck Studying!

And Please Let's remember: "our Arms Too Short to Box with God"

17,000 works?
Sounds like a complete quagmire to me.
God is not so complex.
A child can understand God.

 

[savagewind]

Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body Ecclesiastes 12:12

"I clearly see," he said, "that God makes no distinctions between one man and another but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him" Acts 10:34,35

Nowhere that I know of is it written that to please God you must know him and study righteousness. But it is better, not necessarily best, to know Him and know His Will to do.

Nowhere does it say to listen to a man other than Moses and 'Jesus' who is Spirit not man. He who has an ear, let him hear. Revelation 13:9 It does not say let him know, it says let him listen, or hear.
Revelation 3:13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

The trouble with the church has been that when someone hears they assume no one else knows so they become the teacher.

We can be helpers. Even the atheists have proved worthy helpers. Anyone can help unless they try hard not to.

It is my opinion that Baha'u'llah is no better than you InvestigateTruth. OK? Is it righteous to be dedicated to your own teacher? I have no idea.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body Ecclesiastes 12:12

"I clearly see," he said, "that God makes no distinctions between one man and another but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him" Acts 10:34,35

Nowhere that I know of is it written that to please God you must know him and study righteousness. But it is better, not necessarily best, to know Him and know His Will to do.

Nowhere does it say to listen to a man other than Moses and 'Jesus' who is Spirit not man. He who has an ear, let him hear. Revelation 13:9 It does not say let him know, it says let him listen, or hear.
Revelation 3:13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Addition to the Book, is a warning of God to regular men, but not to Himself.
God can add more scriptures anytime He wishes.
As I have shown from the Bible, Jesus said: "I still have many things to say, when He the Spirit of Truth comes, He will tell of those things which follows"
Baha'u'llah, the Spirit of Truth, fulfilled this Prophecy.

The trouble with the church has been that when someone hears they assume no one else knows so they become the teacher.

We can be helpers. Even the atheists have proved worthy helpers. Anyone can help unless they try hard not to.

It is my opinion that Baha'u'llah is no better than you InvestigateTruth. OK? Is it righteous to be dedicated to your own teacher? I have no idea.

This is you opinion, and you are entitled to it. However, I have not seen any good reason from you to establish how you reached to your opinion.
Moreover, if you are saying Baha'u'llah is not the Return of Christ, then I wonder how you believed Jesus is the Messiah (If you do really??)
Baha'u'llah has said this to one of His followers:


"Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity." -Baha'u'llah, Tablet of Ahmad

 

[InvestigateTruth]

17,000 works?

Yes.

Sounds like a complete quagmire to me.

Really?

God is not so complex.

How could the creator of the earth and Heaven be simple?

"Know thou of a certainty that the Unseen can in no wise incarnate His Essence and reveal it unto men. He is, and hath ever been, immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived. From His retreat of glory His voice is ever proclaiming: “Verily, I am God; there is none other God besides Me, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. I have manifested Myself unto men, and have sent down Him Who is the Day Spring of the signs of My Revelation. Through Him I have caused all creation to testify that there is none other God except Him, the Incomparable, the All-Informed, the All-Wise.” He Who is everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men can never be known except through His Manifestation, and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person. " - Baha'u'llah

A child can understand God.

No one can understand God. Not even His Messengers.
"...the Reality of Divinity... is invisible, incomprehensible, inaccessible, a pure essence which cannot be described, for the Divine Essence surrounds all things. Verily, that which surrounds is greater than the surrounded, and the surrounded cannot contain that by which it is surrounded, nor comprehend its reality. However far mind may progress, though it may reach to the final degree of comprehension, the limit of understanding, it beholds the divine signs and attributes in the world of creation and not in the world of God. For the essence and the attributes of the Lord of Unity are in the heights of sanctity, and for the minds and understandings there is no way to approach that position. “The way is closed, and seeking is forbidden.”
It is evident that the human understanding is a quality of the existence of man, and that man is a sign of God: how can the quality of the sign surround the creator of the sign?—that is to say, how can the understanding, which is a quality of the existence of man, comprehend God? Therefore, the Reality of the Divinity is hidden from all comprehension, and concealed from the minds of all men. It is absolutely impossible to ascend to that plane. " Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions


This Image says it:

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There is a problem with the Baha'u'llah being the world's savior. It seems to me one must read him to be saved. But not everyone can read.

Dear Savagewind,

Baha'u'llah said, in order to recognize Him, a person only needs to have a clear heart. Nothing more is required:

"The understanding of His words and the comprehension of the utterances of the Birds of Heaven are in no wise dependent upon human learning. They depend solely upon purity of heart, chastity of soul, and freedom of spirit. " - Baha'u'llah

Moreover, Baha'u'llah Himself, has never studied any religion as it is evident in the History. His knowledge is purely, intrinsic, and Divinely inspired.

Moreover He has said:

"But, O my brother, when a true seeker determineth to take the step of search in the path leading to the knowledge of the Ancient of Days, he must, before all else, cleanse and purify his heart, which is the seat of the revelation of the inner mysteries of God, from the obscuring dust of all acquired knowledge, and the allusions of the embodiments of satanic fancy. He must purge his breast, which is the sanctuary of the abiding love of the Beloved, of every defilement, and sanctify his soul from all that pertaineth to water and clay, from all shadowy and ephemeral attachments. He must so cleanse his heart that no remnant of either love or hate may linger therein, lest that love blindly incline him to error, or that hate repel him away from the truth. Even as thou dost witness in this day how most of the people, because of such love and hate, are bereft of the immortal Face, have strayed far from the Embodiments of the divine mysteries, and, shepherdless, are roaming through the wilderness of oblivion and error. That seeker must at all times put his trust in God, must renounce the peoples of the earth, detach himself from the world of dust, and cleave unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt himself above any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of pride and vainglory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence, and refrain from idle talk. For the tongue is a smouldering fire, and excess of speech a deadly poison. Material fire consumeth the body, whereas the fire of the tongue devoureth both heart and soul. The force of the former lasteth but for a time, whilst the effects of the latter endure a century." Baha'u'llah, Book of Certitude, p.59

 

[savagewind]

He must never seek to exalt himself above any one

But that is what you are doing to him. YOU are exalting the man but he said not to do it ever. The rest of the above quote from his book is in harmony more or less with the truth that will set you free imho.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But that is what you are doing to him. YOU are exalting the man but he said not to do it ever. The rest of the above quote from his book is in harmony more or less with the truth that will set you free imho.

That means, I should not exalt myself above anyone else. Or any one should exalt herself above others.
The quote has nothing to do with describing the Station of the Manifestations of God.
Moreover, I never exalted Baha'u'llah's station to other Manifestations such as Jesus and Muhammad.
However, the Manifestations of God, are infinitely above any Human Beings, according to Baha'u'llah, Jesus and other Manifestations whose own writings are available. Like it or not.

"Nay, all in their holy presence fade into utter nothingness, and are a thing forgotten. Human tongue can never befittingly sing their praise, and human speech can never unfold their mystery. These Tabernacles of holiness, these primal Mirrors which reflect the light of unfading glory, are but expressions of Him Who is the Invisible of the Invisibles. By the revelation of these gems of divine virtue all the names and attributes of God, such as knowledge and power, sovereignty and dominion, mercy and wisdom, glory, bounty and grace, are made manifest. " Baha'u'llah, Book of Certitude, p.32


"Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He verily speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world. " Baha'u'llah

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Dear Investigatetruth,

So do you think that the 2nd coming of Jesus pbuh through the manifestation of Bahaullah had failed to unify all religions.

What is the purpose of his coming,muslims are still muslims,christians are still christians.

Can you explain what Bahaullah did achieve and what is his effect on our recent world.

Dear FearGod,

God has created us with free will. He never forces anyone to believe in Him.
However, as to provide guidance to Mankind who are His Childeren, God reveals His verses in every Age.
In this Age, this Revelation has come Through Baha'u'llah, and one of the Main Purposes of this Revelation is to bring peace and Unity between Mankind.

However, the Unity that God has willeth does not have to be achieved by making everyone a Baha'i.
Baha'u'llah taught about Unity in Diversity. That means that All people in the World regardless of what religion they have, their race, Nationality and gender live together peacefully and not to cause their religion to be the cause of disunity.
This Purpose of God, will be achieved gradually once, the Majority of people learn about these principles that initiated from the Baha'i Revelation, regardless of they know where the Source of these teachings is. So, in its due time the Unity of Mankind shall come, according to Baha'i Scriptures.

Baha'u'llah has written:

"Please God, that we avoid the land of denial, and advance into the ocean of acceptance, so that we may perceive, with an eye purged from all conflicting elements, the worlds of unity and diversity, of variation and oneness, of limitation and detachment, and wing our flight unto the highest and innermost sanctuary of the inner meaning of the Word of God." Baha'u'llah

"O people! Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship. Thus hath the day-star of His sanction and authority shone forth above the horizon of the decree of God, the Lord of the worlds." Baha'u'llah



So, Baha'u'llah had a revelation from God, and He did not fail, as He said:


"“We verily, have not fallen short of Our duty to exhort men, and to deliver that whereunto I was bidden by God, the Almighty, the All-Praised. Had they hearkened unto Me, they would have beheld the earth another earth. “Is there any excuse left for anyone in this Revelation? No, by God, the Lord of the Mighty Throne! My signs have encompassed the earth, and My power enveloped all mankind, and yet the people are wrapped in a strange sleep!” - Baha'u'llah




Moreover, it has no benefit for Baha'u'llah if they believe Him, neither there is any harm for Him if they deny Him.
At the end, it is people who suffer when they do not accept the teachings of God to live in peace and unity.

Bahá'í Faith and the unity of humanity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So my point is. Progressive revelation from the same God must not disagree. Here are the views of your prophets, who you deem all gave revelation from one God....

The Doctrine of God Taught by the Alleged Manifestations
MANIFESTATION
IMPORTANT ELEMENTS IN HIS DOCTRINE OF GOD
Moses
One personal God. The universe is not eternal, but was created by God (Gen. 1-3; Deut. 6:4; etc.).
Krishna
Mix of polytheism and impersonal pantheism. The universe is eternal.
Zoroaster
One good god and one evil god (religious dualism).
Buddha
God not relevant; essentially agnostic.
Confucius
Polytheistic.
Muhammad
One personal God who cannot have a Son.
Jesus Christ
One personal God who does have a Son (Mark 12:29; John 4:24; 5:18-19;etc.)
Baha’u'llah
God and the universe, which is an emanation of God, are co-eternal.6


As you can see, some of these Prophets, or manifestations as you term them clearly contradict each other. How can this be?

Dear LadyB,

The Baha'i Scriptures explains that, all of the Manifestations of God, taught the same principles, however, the original writings of some of the older Religions are not available.
Although there is still Truth in the scriptures from Buddhism, Hinduism and Zoroasterism, but the only Scriptures that are considered to have been preserved well, are Quran, Christian Bible, and Jewish Bible.
Even Zoroasterism teaches the unity of God, and is considered Monotheism by modern zoroasterism. Please refer to Wikipedia.
So, in this discussion, there is little point to refer to scriptures that we are not sure of their originality. Therefore we put our focus on Quran and the Bible.
Regarding the story of Creation in Bible and Quran, as it is evident those Books contain symbolism. Thus the Story of Creation in 6 days, then Adam and Eve should be interpreted symbolically, otherwise, that would be against the proven science.
Now, since God is the Source of both religion and science, how could they ever contradict each other?
Then it is clear that, literal interpretations of creation story is not permissible.

Regarding Baha'i Scriptures, there are logical explanation. For example Abdulbaha has explained:

"...a creator without a creature is impossible; a provider without those provided for cannot be conceived; for all the divine names and attributes demand the existence of beings. If we could imagine a time when no beings existed, this imagination would be the denial of the Divinity of God. " - Abdulbaha, Some Answered Questions, p.81

Moreover Baha'u'llah also explained the following, He also reminded Islamic Traditions about it:

"....strive thou to comprehend the meaning of the melody of that eternal beauty, [FONT=Times Ext Roman,Times Ext Roman]Ḥ[/FONT]usayn, son of ‘Alí, who, addressing Salmán, spoke words such as these: “I was with a thousand Adams, the interval between each and the next Adam was fifty thousand years, and to each one of these I declared the Successorship conferred upon my father.” He then recounteth certain details, until he saith: “I have fought one thousand battles in the path of God, the least and most insignificant of which was like the battle of Khaybar, in which battle my father fought and contended against the infidels.” Endeavour now to apprehend from these two traditions the mysteries of “end,” “return,” and “creation without beginning or end.”" - Book of Certitude, p.51


Moreover, you had included Confucius in the list of Manifestations of God. Confucius is not considered as a Manifestation of God in Baha'i Scriptures. So, wherever you got the info, it is not correct

 

[Lady B]

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