waitasec
Veteran Member
friend ...we were talking from a religious view not from a material,physical,earthly, human perspective in which you can also have high hopes of achievements...they just won't get you eternal life in the end. But hey...maybe you are not aiming for that. It's just you being on a religious forum let me think you were :sorry1:
no worries,
from what i understand this is a religious debating forum. maybe i'm wrong, i don't know.
however, i thought you were debating from a religious view and i was coming from an earthly human perspective.
bringing up eternal life is changing the subject which we can discuss in another thread.