Some Mormon missionaries tried to talk to me.

[The Kilted Heathen]

Imagine the day, when privacy in one's own home is too much to ask for...

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[Grumpuss]

Imagine the day, when privacy in one's own home is too much to ask for...

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What you do in your own home is your business, provided it doesn't hurt anyone else.

So, were the Mormons in your home?

 

[Watchmen]

Sure didn't seem like it here:

You actually got the subject wrong twice.

So sue me if I made a mistake. You waste your time getting butthurt over the littlest things. Whoever made the statement is disgusting.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

No one's said this. Seriously. Read the thread- no one.

You have; unless you're admitting that this attempt to tie in Ragin expressing his irritation with Mormon missionaries repeatedly coming to his door to suppression of Christian religious freedom is nothing more than a red herring.

I'm not a Mormon, sir. And I don't broadcast my faith around either. Forgive me for standing up for my fellow Americans' constitutional right to practice their own free speech and free religion.

Read the thread. It's not as you imagine it.

I've read the thread. You've done nothing but project your own bad manners & inability to address the poster's claims without attacking the poster on to others. You also condescend and sneer at a non-Christian who has the temerity to say he does't appreciate Christians walking onto his property to try and convert him. The rest of us would be forgiven for thinking Ragin had actually said something outrageous from your hysterical overreaction.

Whiners who think their lives and property are being intruded upon by some kids with pamphlets.

Anyone who tells them they're blowing things out of proportion is suddenly grouped into some "God Squad". Insanity.

It's this sort of arrogant dismissal that puts people off Christianity. You repeatedly say Ragin is lying (do you even know what that word means?) and that he must only dislike missionary activity on his property because he hates Christians/Christianity. You've just decided he can't possibly have reasons other than that. Please stop being so holier than thou.

So all religious people are the same to you?

Strawman. If all religious people were the same to Ragin this wouldn't be an issue (as that would mean him too). It's recommended but not necessary for you to actually engage your brain before attempting to think. Maybe you could give it a try next time.

You already accused Watchmen of being a Mormon and harboring beliefs he didn't have, all so that you could make some convoluted point about Us vs. Them.

Watchmen labels himself as LDS so it's not an accusation so much as it's taking Watchmen's religious self-identification at face value. Why is it Ragin's fault that people can't identify themselves honestly?

So sue me if I made a mistake. You waste your time getting butthurt over the littlest things. Whoever made the statement is disgusting.

You claimed Ragin made a statement of questionable taste, then doubled down on your accusation. Seriously, can't you just apologise?

 

[Grumpuss]

You have; unless you're admitting that this attempt to tie in Ragin expressing his irritation with Mormon missionaries repeatedly coming to his door to suppression of Christian religious freedom is nothing more than a red herring.

Doesn't follow. Free speech was welcomed by repeated door openings. No one suggested that not wanting to hear LDS pitches was the equivalent of "suppression".

I've read the thread. You've done nothing but project your own bad manners & inability to address the poster's claims without attacking the poster on to others. You also condescend and sneer at a non-Christian who has the temerity to say he does't appreciate Christians walking onto his property to try and convert him. The rest of us would be forgiven for thinking Ragin had actually said something outrageous from your hysterical overreaction.

I wouldn't have cared if it was door-to-door Jews, Muslims or fairy-worshiping Druids. No one attacked anyone else. Disagreement is allowed.

It's this sort of arrogant dismissal that puts people off Christianity. You repeatedly say Ragin is lying (do you even know what that word means?) and that he must only dislike missionary activity on his property because he hates Christians/Christianity. You've just decided he can't possibly have reasons other than that. Please stop being so holier than thou.

Anyone who claims modern society doesn't have advertisements or that he doesn't see them at least somewhat regularly is lying, yes. Claiming I said things I haven't said and accusing me of a being part of a secret Christian cabal is fairly deplorable behavior.

Strawman. If all religious people were the same to Ragin this wouldn't be an issue (as that would mean him too). It's recommended but not necessary for you to actually engage your brain before attempting to think. Maybe you could give it a try next time.

You'd have to ask him. When others challenged his "butt-hurt" claims, he started claiming it was part of a "God Squad" that I and anyone who disagrees with him, are apparently members of.

Watchmen labels himself as LDS so it's not an accusation so much as it's taking Watchmen's religious self-identification at face value. Why is it Ragin's fault that people can't identify themselves honestly?

So you think it's okay to treat someone at face value, and forgives any and all abuse that ensues? That's like saying any German hates Jews or every pagan believes in animal sacrifice.

You claimed Ragin made a statement of questionable taste, then doubled down on your accusation. Seriously, can't you just apologise?

I don't reward insincere, insulting behavior with civility. I respond to it with dignity.

He wants to try to bait so that he can report, that's his thing. It's not mine.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Doesn't follow. Free speech was welcomed by repeated door openings.

Not true at all. Nobody is obligated to listen to missionaries - particularly if they become a nuisance.

No one suggested that not wanting to hear LDS pitches was the equivalent of "suppression".

So your claims to be defending Christian religious liberty are vacuous. Thanks for clearing that up.

I wouldn't have cared if it was door-to-door Jews, Muslims or fairy-worshiping Druids. No one attacked anyone else. Disagreement is allowed.

Your snide remarks and shrill reactions suggest you feel otherwise.

Anyone who claims modern society doesn't have advertisements or that he doesn't see them at least somewhat regularly is lying, yes.

Has Ragin actually claimed that? I think not.

Claiming I said things I haven't said and accusing me of a being part of a secret Christian cabal is fairly deplorable behavior.

Calling someone a liar when they've quoted you directly saying things is just pathetic.

You'd have to ask him. When others challenged his "butt-hurt" claims, he started claiming it was part of a "God Squad" that I and anyone who disagrees with him, are apparently members of.

The proof is here before my eyes - Christians can't stand the notion that people don't like being bothered in the privacy of their own homes.

So you think it's okay to treat someone at face value, and forgives any and all abuse that ensues? That's like saying any German hates Jews or every pagan believes in animal sacrifice.

You could have done Ragin the courtesy of treating him at face value rather than assuming he's part of some conspiracy to persecute Christians.

I don't reward insincere, insulting behavior with civility. I respond to it with dignity.

First off, that comment was directed at someone else and not you so your response makes no sense. Secondly, that may be how you comport yourself generally but it is not how you've behaved in this thread.

He wants to try to bait so that he can report, that's his thing. It's not mine.

You could at least try and refer to the right person when you're being snide about them. Have fun with your persecution complex - you're a fantastic advert for your faith.

Blocked.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

It should also be noted that for all this talk of "face value" or whatever, that's exactly what these missionaries do with every door they knock on.

 

[Grumpuss]

Not true at all. Nobody is obligated to listen to missionaries - particularly if they become a nuisance.

I agree. That's what "No Solicitation" signs are for. Or calling the police about harassment. None of that counts though, if you keep opening your door for missionaries and then seething about it on a message board later that missionaries should be allowed to do what they do.

So your claims to be defending Christian religious liberty are vacuous. Thanks for clearing that up.

I never said a word about defending Christians. Christians don't need my defense when they have the greatest protector in the Universe. But in the United States, we do have that freedom to express oneself, to practice one's religion. That freedom doesn't go out the window, just because one antisocial shut-in doesn't like the way one religion proselytizes.

Your snide remarks and shrill reactions suggest you feel otherwise.

As I said, disagreement is allowed. I'm still here, answering you. The shrill & snide kicked their ball into the woods and left in a huff.

Has Ragin actually claimed that? I think not.

Actually, yes!

Calling someone a liar when they've quoted you directly saying things is just pathetic.

And yet here you are.

The proof is here before my eyes - Christians can't stand the notion that people don't like being bothered in the privacy of their own homes.

It's not my thing. If I was annoyed by these LDS kids, I'd phone their church and complain. Painting with such a broad brush and lumping all Christians together seems a wee bit prejudicial on your part.

You could have done Ragin the courtesy of treating him at face value rather than assuming he's part of some conspiracy to persecute Christians.

That never happened. He accused me and anyone here disagreeing with him as being part of a "God Squad". Please read through the thread.

First off, that comment was directed at someone else and not you so your response makes no sense. Secondly, that may be how you comport yourself generally but it is not how you've behaved in this thread.

Well thank you. But it's a public thread. And I've conducted myself just fine. Far from the cowards and losers who can't stand to see a message they disagree with published to others, and who hope they can bait those they view as their enemies and then report them to the admins like a tattling child.

You could at least try and refer to the right person when you're being snide about them. Have fun with your persecution complex - you're a fantastic advert for your faith.

Blocked.

Cowardly. Aww, c'mon back and state more mistruths. Maybe you could allege more lies and insults about my religion?[/quote]

 

[David1967]

I think we are ignoring the real annoying evil here...telemarketers. They even ring my cell phone now. Mostly when I am busy at work.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I think we are ignoring the real annoying evil here...telemarketers.

Actually there's two worse ones; a couple scams that are going around. The first is from some "Disney Cruise" rewards, and while it sounds like a real person, it's automated. First, "she" acts like she dropped her microphone, and asks if you can hear her - it's all a ploy to get you to say "yes", so that they can use that recording and your information to authorize transactions.

The second I haven't figured out the end-game, I've never called the number back. I have answered the phone, though, and what they leave on your voicemail is the same recording (it turns out) that you get if you try to talk to them. They tell you that there's been a legal case filed against "your name and social security number", yet never give them as a real legal office would. There's also no paper correspondence, which would also be a step taken if there was actual legal action being taken. I assume it's targeted towards people with student debt, but I couldn't say for sure.

 

[Grumpuss]

I think we are ignoring the real annoying evil here...telemarketers. They even ring my cell phone now. Mostly when I am busy at work.

Amen, brother.

And this is despite the nonfunctional "Do Not Call List" too. That was something that was supposed to work. A lot better than wishing away the marauding hordes of Mormon kids...

 

[David1967]

Actually there's two worse ones; a couple scams that are going around. The first is from some "Disney Cruise" rewards, and while it sounds like a real person, it's automated. First, "she" acts like she dropped her microphone, and asks if you can hear her - it's all a ploy to get you to say "yes", so that they can use that recording and your information to authorize transactions.

The second I haven't figured out the end-game, I've never called the number back. I have answered the phone, though, and what they leave on your voicemail is the same recording (it turns out) that you get if you try to talk to them. They tell you that there's been a legal case filed against "your name and social security number", yet never give them as a real legal office would. There's also no paper correspondence, which would also be a step taken if there was actual legal action being taken. I assume it's targeted towards people with student debt, but I couldn't say for sure.

I know. Kinda makes you not want to answer the phone. And the do not call list doesn't seem to work anymore. Recently I have gotten calls from local numbers, even from my own number once. Always the same guy saying he is card member services. Wonder how they hijack local numbers to do this?

 

[David1967]

Amen, brother.

And this is despite the nonfunctional "Do Not Call List" too. That was something that was supposed to work. A lot better than wishing away the marauding hordes of Mormon kids...

Do not call list must not work on foreign numbers.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I know. Kinda makes you not want to answer the phone. And the do not call list doesn't seem to work anymore.

Pursuant to the overall issue, a lot of things like that don't work when they should. What makes it harder on the phone calls is when it's either entirely automated (the Disney call never sent me to a supervisor, it just keep repeating the request for my information), or they call from multiple numbers (I've got "legal cases" searching for me in California, Illinois, Texas, Georgia, and Virginia). And now they have recordings of me saying "what" and "[REDACTED] off".

With the door-to-door people (returning to the issue) they pull much the same. The first couple shows up at your door, you tell them you're not interested. Then a second couple shows up, and you tell them you already told the first two you're not interested - oh, but they're from a different temple (which is impossible, since there's only one Jehovah's Witness temple where I live.) Then the first couple show up again, having forgotten who you were or that you're not interested; they just know it's a location that's not in their flock.

Signs? Ineffective, as they claim they're not selling anything. They saw them, sure, but to their thinking it doesn't apply. Taking a firm stance and calling the cops would also be ineffective, as by the time they get there the missionaries are already gone. Can they talk to the temple? Sure. But the question then is will the temple actually do anything about it. Or the authorities; the cops here seem to love their red tape. I once tried to organize a counter-protest against the Westboro Baptists the very day we found out they were coming; nothing outrageous or vulgar, just a community gathering to show support to the various churches being slandered and attacked. But, we were told that we couldn't do so, as we needed to get a permit before 42 days prior to the event. Despite finding out about the event only two weeks prior.

I mean, you seem like a reasonable enough fellow David. Can't you understand how someone can grow irritated when all other rational options aren't working? When civility hasn't worked, why not let people coming to bother you have a piece of your mind?

 

[Grumpuss]

Signs? Ineffective, as they claim they're not selling anything. They saw them, sure, but to their thinking it doesn't apply. Taking a firm stance and calling the cops would also be ineffective, as by the time they get there the missionaries are already gone. Can they talk to the temple? Sure. But the question then is will the temple actually do anything about it. Or the authorities; the cops here seem to love their red tape.

Sigh. So did you ever actually try?

I once tried to organize a counter-protest against the Westboro Baptists the very day we found out they were coming; nothing outrageous or vulgar, just a community gathering to show support to the various churches being slandered and attacked. But, we were told that we couldn't do so, as we needed to get a permit before 42 days prior to the event. Despite finding out about the event only two weeks prior.

So do you dispute the need for proper permitting? I grant you these days, the authorities seem perfectly willing to overlook such requirements, when mobs of people "spontaneously" decide to protest Trump or climate change conferences or whatever, but there is a reason these rules exist.

 

[Grumpuss]

Do not call list must not work on foreign numbers.

I get them too- generally Canada. But they have some way of getting local numbers, yeah. I've reported those to the Do Not Call authorities, but the whole point is that some faceless person has sold the cloned number once or twice. 800 numbers have to have a legitimate business entity listed.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I told you I'm already done trying to talk to you, grump. Why bother?

 

[Grumpuss]

I told you I'm already done trying to talk to you, grump. Why bother?

What's wrong with you? These confrontational moods of yours can't be healthy...

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Can't really claim that I'm the confrontational one here, when you're the one claiming there's something wrong with me.

 

[Grumpuss]

Can't really claim that I'm the confrontational one here, when you're the one claiming there's something wrong with me.

I'm disputing your world view that teenage Mormon missionaries should telepathically detect your desire to selectively not have your door knocked on.

Disagreement doesn't necessarily mean you have something wrong with you, or are too highly strung or whatever...

Chill out.