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South Carolina OKs ban on gender affirming care.

Laniakea

Not of this world
Sure if you're actively trying to be disrespectful. Even if you think being transgender has no physiological or psychological component, it costs you nothing to be kind.

Would be like if I said 'you're not a Christian you're just confused.'

Being confused is not something of an insult. It's simply a condition where someone is not sure about something because they are getting conflicting types of information. In this case, the person feels a certain way, is told certain (or conflicting) things, and then has their own physical reality facing them. For a child, who doesn't have much experience in this life, they could be easily confused. Confusion becomes even worse when woke ideology is thrown at them from social media, government propaganda, and even school teachers who are mandated to say certain things.
 

libre

In flight
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- We know that a kid following GAC, even just the drugs, is signing up for a lifetime of dependence on expensive medications.
A lifetime of dependence on medication that they are incredibly thankful to have access to.

The elephant in the room that is perpetually ignored is that transition regret among trans people is very low.
The 'victims' of GAC are largely imagined. The patients themselves are overwhelmingly satisfied with being able to transition. Even most detransitioners do not have these anti-GAC stances.

The upset here is not of the people themselves transitioning. It's from outsiders who are endlessly preoccupied with whether gender transition could have been avoided to the point where they completely ignore the patient experience. Hearing people suppose about how things may have been different if a trans person did not get GAC is like like talking with pro-lifers who go on and on about the experiences of the unborn. They are grieving an alternate reality that does not exist instead of actually demonstrating basic empathy for transgender people.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Being confused is not something of an insult. It's simply a condition where someone is not sure about something because they are getting conflicting types of information. In this case, the person feels a certain way, is told certain (or conflicting) things, and then has their own physical reality facing them. For a child, who doesn't have much experience in this life, they could be easily confused. Confusion becomes even worse when woke ideology is thrown at them from social media, government propaganda, and even school teachers who are mandated to say certain things.
'Could be' is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Autism for women is very poorly understood because until very recent only boys, particularly white heterosexual cis boys, were studied.

A person who suspects their girl 'could be,' autistic doesn't say the kid is confused about their neurotype but that they have symptoms and are seeking evaluation by experts. And if the experts concur that those symptoms point to autism, it doesn't really matter what teachers, governments etc say.

I'm sure there's plenty of people who think I shouldn't have had the procedures I did because it's not in line with the knowledge they were raised on. But I wasn't confused just because someone thought someone had an agenda. Honestly nines out of ten I see the word 'woke' I'm seeing projection from conservative media sources people use to bolster their own ideology.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
A lifetime of dependence on medication that they are incredibly thankful to have access to.

The elephant in the room that is perpetually ignored is that transition regret among trans people is very low.
The 'victims' of GAC are largely imagined. The patients themselves are overwhelmingly satisfied with being able to transition. Even most detransitioners do not have these anti-GAC stances.

The upset here is not of the people themselves transitioning. It's from outsiders who are endlessly preoccupied with whether gender transition could have been avoided to the point where they completely ignore the patient experience. Hearing people suppose about how things may have been different if a trans person did not get GAC is like like talking with pro-lifers who go on and on about the experiences of the unborn. They are grieving an alternate reality that does not exist instead of actually demonstrating basic empathy for transgender people.
It's about a third that regret it. https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/detransitioners-gender-care/2022/12/22/id/1101549/
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
A third of *detransitioners* regret their transition. Not a third of people who transitioned. I follow Kinnon MacKinnon on Tiktok and he and his patients are overwhelming pro accessible GAC

Not according to the article in the link:
"Many have said their gender identity remained fluid well after the start of treatment, and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth."
 

Shaul

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A third of *detransitioners* regret their transition. Not a third of people who transitioned. I follow Kinnon MacKinnon on Tiktok and he and his patients are overwhelming pro accessible GAC
Perhaps you should better write a third so far. There is the real prospect of a growing cavalcade of remorseful transitioners.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Perhaps you should better write a third so far. There is the real prospect of a growing cavalcade of remorseful transitioners.
Absolutely! As children grow older and fully develop (in both mind and body), reality starts to kick in for them much more than when they were pre-teen/teenagers.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Not according to the article in the link:
"Many have said their gender identity remained fluid well after the start of treatment, and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth."
Yes and if you'll look at the paragraph before this one it names the 'them' as detransitioners.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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Not according to the article in the link:
"Many have said their gender identity remained fluid well after the start of treatment, and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth."

Many who? Look at the preceding paragraph:

"In the past year, MacKinnon and his team of researchers have talked to 40 detransitioners in the United States, Canada and Europe, many of them having first received gender-affirming medical treatment in their 20s or younger. Their stories have upended his assumptions."
 

ADigitalArtist

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Absolutely! As children grow older and fully develop (in both mind and body), reality starts to kick in for them much more than when they were pre-teen/teenagers.
The people who MacKinnon works with are adults. Which means not even a majority of adult detransitioners regret their transition as fully grown adults. A lot stop transition because they have financial or medical hurdles to overcome. There are absolutely people who detransition because they find out they aren't trans, but it's a small minority. (Though their stories are also important and shouldn't be maligned.)

There are far more people who had hip and knee surgery who realized they didn't need it. And a much higher regret rate.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Yes and if you'll look at the paragraph before this one it names the 'them' as detransitioners.
Or you could look at what follows what I posted:
"Some said they avoided telling their doctors about detransitioning out of embarrassment or shame. Others said their doctors were ill-equipped to help them with the process. Most often, they talked about how transitioning did not address their mental health problems."

They're obviously still talking about original transitioners who regretted going forth in the first place.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Or you could look at what follows what I posted:
"Some said they avoided telling their doctors about detransitioning out of embarrassment or shame. Others said their doctors were ill-equipped to help them with the process. Most often, they talked about how transitioning did not address their mental health problems."

They're obviously still talking about original transitioners who regretted going forth in the first place.
Yes, they're talking about a third of the 40 detransitioners interviewed who regretted it.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Yes, they're talking about a third of the 40 detransitioners interviewed who regretted it.
"and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth."

I'll break this down for you:
Their original gender IS the one "assigned" at birth.
The word is "transition", not "detransition". Why do you keep replacing one with the other?
"regret about their decision to transition" is obviously not regret about decision to DE-transition.
 

ADigitalArtist

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"and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth."

I'll break this down for you:
Their original gender IS the one "assigned" at birth.
The word is "transition", not "detransition". Why do you keep replacing one with the other?
"regret about their decision to transition" is obviously not regret about decision to DE-transition.
In the past year, MacKinnon and his team of researchers have talked to 40 detransitioners in the United States, Canada and Europe, many of them having first received gender-affirming medical treatment in their 20s or younger. Their stories have upended his assumptions.

Many have said their gender identity remained fluid well after the start of treatment, and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth.
The second paragraph follows from the first. The people MacKinnon talked to are detransitioners, people who transitioned or were transitioning from their birth sex to their new sex then stopped or reversed transition. The people the second paragraph is referring to were the only people MacKinnon talked to for this article, the detransitioners.

That means that a third of people who stopped or reversed transition (detransitioners) regretted their transition. The rest stopped or reversed for reasons that were not regret (i.e. financial or medical.)
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
The second paragraph follows from the first. The people MacKinnon talked to are detransitioners, people who transitioned or were transitioning from their birth sex to their new sex then stopped or reversed transition. The people the second paragraph is referring to were the only people MacKinnon talked to for this article, the detransitioners.

That means that a third of people who stopped or reversed transition (detransitioners) regretted their transition. The rest stopped or reversed for reasons that were not regret (i.e. financial or medical.)
If you see the word detranitioner when the word used is transitioner, I can't help you other than to copy/paste what it says, and even use bold highlighting so you can see it better.
Also, "from the gender they were assigned at birth" can't be any more plain to understand.
 

ADigitalArtist

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"and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth."

I'll break this down for you:
Their original gender IS the one "assigned" at birth.
The word is "transition", not "detransition". Why do you keep replacing one with the other?
"regret about their decision to transition" is obviously not regret about decision to DE-transition.
Once again, this researcher and his research are things I'm very familiar with prior to today. MacKinnon is a transmasc person who uses all pronouns who is looking to uplift detransitioners from being used by conservative naysayers and the trans community who think detransitioners are anti-trans. Most aren't.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Once again, this researcher and his research are things I'm very familiar with prior to today. MacKinnon is a transmasc person who uses all pronouns who is looking to uplift detransitioners from being used by conservative naysayers and the trans community who think detransitioners are anti-trans. Most aren't.
Would you like to see it from a different source?

"As gender-affirming surgery becomes more prevalent, a growing number of people who go through the treatment are choosing to detransition."

I hope this makes it a bit more clear.
 
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