South Carolina OKs ban on gender affirming care.

[ImmortalFlame]

When you create an institution to function as a hammer, it’s going to look for nails. When you create an institution of gender specialists…

What's your allegation, here? That you're against best medical practice for minors because... It's a conspiracy?

When you can't answer simple hypothetical questions and, instead, jump to conspiracism, it doesn't bode well that your arguments are fact based...

 

[Treasure Hunter]

What's your allegation, here? That you're against best medical practice for minors because... It's a conspiracy?

When you can't answer simple hypothetical questions and, instead, jump to conspiracism, it doesn't bode well that your arguments are fact based...

One doesn’t understand the mind in a classroom or in conferences. The same with gender. It’s the blind trans activists leading the blind gender specialists and psychiatrists. Politics has infiltrated every major institution, science and medicine included.

There is no such thing as each of us having our own “true gender”. The trans identity is a social, political, and even religious identity being imposed on young people struggling with meaning crisis, especially tomboy girls and effeminate boys.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

One doesn’t understand the mind in a classroom or in conferences. The same with gender. It’s the blind trans activists leading the blind gender specialists and psychiatrists. Politics has infiltrated every major institution, science and medicine included.

So I was right, it's just baseless conspiracism. Wish you'd have said that to begin with, I wouldn't of bothered trying to engage in good faith.

No, I am sure the vast majority of the world's medical and psychiatric experts all just happened to become engaged in a global conspiracy overnight to support trans-inclusive care because of some nefarious plot to... I dunno. Sell more pride flags, I guess?

There is no such thing as each of us having our own “true gender”. The trans identity is a social, political, and even religious identity being imposed on young people struggling with meaning crisis, especially tomboy girls and effeminate boys.

Sure it is.

And the moon landing is a hoax. And did you know lizards rule the world?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

So I was right, it's just baseless conspiracism. Wish you'd have said that to begin with, I wouldn't of bothered trying to engage in good faith.

No, I am sure the vast majority of the world's medical and psychiatric experts all just happened to become engaged in a global conspiracy overnight to support trans-inclusive care because of some nefarious plot to... I dunno. Sell more pride flags, I guess?


Sure it is.

And the moon landing is a hoax. And did you know lizards rule the world?

So the decades when all of psychiatry treated trans as a mental disorder, that was a conspiracy in the other direction or..?

Of course institutions conspire. That’s what they do.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So the decades when all of psychiatry treated trans as a mental disorder, that was a conspiracy in the other direction or..?

Nope. Medical expertise and understanding INCREASES over time, believe it or not. As wild as it may seem, the doctors in the dark ages didn't have it right, either.

Oh, and don't forget the massive "anti-flight" conspiracy that persisted until the Wright Brothers invented the "no, we actually CAN fly" conspiracy. But, what do I know? I'm still engaged in this "internet age allowing us to communicate over vast distances" conspiracy.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Nope. Medical expertise and understanding INCREASES over time, believe it or not. As wild as it may seem, the doctors in the dark ages didn't have it right, either.

Again, please share the scientific breakthrough on gender which caused the flip.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Again, please share the scientific breakthrough on gender which caused the flip.

The realisation that using gender affirming care significantly improves mental health outcomes in NGC kids, and that treating it as mental disorder produced significantly negative mental health outcomes. Like, making them SEVENTEEN TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT SUICIDE. Coupled with a society that began to do completely unfathomable things like care about the lives and existence of trans people.

You know, little things.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

The realisation that using gender affirming care significantly improves mental health outcomes in NGC kids, and that treating it as mental disorder produced significantly negative mental health outcomes. Like, making them SEVENTEEN TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT SUICIDE. Coupled with a society that began to do completely unfathomable things like care about the lives and existence of trans people.

You know, little things.

You’re claiming the GAC and these supposed rock solid conclusions came before the flip? It’s already been a solved issue for over a decade? Nevermind, the trans suicide propaganda..

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You’re claiming the GAC and these supposed rock solid conclusions came before the flip? It’s already been a solved issue for over a decade? Nevermind, the trans suicide propaganda..

I'm claiming very little, other than the fact that medical knowledge has advanced and that best medical practice, as supported by experts in the field, is the best way forward.

You are the one alleging a conspiracy. So, delight us. Please tell us why the global medical consensus "flipped" for seemingly no reason whatsoever, since you basically reject all medical research.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

I'm claiming very little, other than the fact that medical knowledge has advanced and that best medical practice, as supported by experts in the field, is the best way forward.

You are the one alleging a conspiracy. So, delight us. Please tell us why the global medical consensus "flipped" for seemingly no reason whatsoever, since you basically reject all medical research.

I already know how the majority of people like you think. Trans affirming care must be right because racial equality was right. Race, sexuality, and gender are in the same category. All the “good” people agree and protect the marginalized from bigots who only oppose the truth because they are afraid of people who are different than them.

I’m not motivated by bigotry or politics, sorry. I’ve done all the work and made all the necessary sacrifices.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I already know how the majority of people like you think.

Aha. A mind reader as well a conspiracist. Do they require separate degrees?

Trans affirming care must be right because racial equality was right.

Yes, that is totally a thing I think and say. Always doing that. Absolutely. Totally.

Race, sexuality, and gender are in the same category.

Also bang on the money. 100%. You can't move for all the times I have said exactly that, word for word. Doing it all the time.

All the “good” people agree and protect the marginalized from bigots who only oppose the truth because they are afraid of people who are different than them.

I’m not motivated by bigotry or politics, sorry. I’ve done all the work and made all the necessary sacrifices.

Cool. You sure do have me pegged. Can't question your wonderful, clairvoyant ability to see into my soul.

Now, as to the question I asked regarding how and why you believe a global conspiracy formed around the medical community to push trans healthcare on minors for no reason whatsoever, and the evidence you have to suggest this occurred? If you could get to addressing that right away rather than addressing the weird, made-up voices in your head, that would be great.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Some of us don’t have the moral luxury of pretending minors are the same as adults and wiping our hands clean of this issue.

Thats the problem.

Minors are not adults and there is a valid reason why minors are prohibited from doing the majority of adult legalities because of their immaturity and lack of life experiences that definitely would include unreversible medical procedures.

Reversible procedures for minors I don't see a problem.

 

[metis]

It's mutilation and a violation of a doctor's oath to not cut into healthy flesh.

Like circumcision?

 

[SkepticThinker]

What you're talking about is called "confused".

No, it's called gender dysphoria.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I would say trust but verify.

- WPATH created the standard of care for GAC, which was based on the Dutch protocol.
- WPATH is strongly influenced by activists.

That's your claim, anyway.

- We know that Europe's healthcare systems are often far better than in the US.

Do we?

- Many countries in Europe followed the Dutch protocol for years and discovered that there is no evidence that it helps, and so they've abandoned it.

Abandoned? No. Tweaking, yes. That's normal for any protocols. They get tweaked over time.

- Presumably, the US fill follow suit, eventually.
- We know doctors frequently rely on protocols they did not devise.

We do?

- We know that profiteering is rampant in the US healthcare system.

Just in the US healthcare system.

The US- We know that a kid following GAC, even just the drugs, is signing up for a lifetime of dependence on expensive medications.

Just in the US healthcare system.

- We know that doctors often get it wrong:
- opioids
- electroshock therapy
- thalidomide
- unnecessary medications and surgeries for many ailments

And a host of others.

You know, electroshock therapy is still used for persistent, drug resistant cases of severe clinical depression.
Opioids are also still used, but are much more controlled than they used to be.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If someone makes a recommendation, it's up to me to decide to try it or not. Who should I have to justify that to? My body, my choice, right?

This was in response to, "Yeah, they died from COVID before we developed treatments for it and , of course, a vaccine. Hospitals were completely overwhelmed and many were being put on ventilators (which saved many lives) at that point.

Do you think that justifies ingesting whatever random drug internet trolls tell you to take?"

Not sure how what you've said here addresses my posts or answers my question.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They can be trusted if their recommendations come from their expertise alone, rather than mixed with government coercion. It's the govt. that decides if the experts get to keep their license to practice.

State medical boards decide if doctors get to keep their license to practice.

 

[icehorse]

The realisation that using gender affirming care significantly improves mental health outcomes in NGC kids, and that treating it as mental disorder produced significantly negative mental health outcomes. Like, making them SEVENTEEN TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT SUICIDE. Coupled with a society that began to do completely unfathomable things like care about the lives and existence of trans people.

You know, little things.

Wrong.

As I've been saying, GAC is based on the Dutch protocol which having been tried has been shown to have no high quality to back up the claims that it is effective. The trans activists would like you to believe it is, but there is no good data.

GAC is dangerous, irreversible, and there is no proof of it's efficacy, you know, little things.

And stop with the "existence" mantra, that is SUCH a ridiculous strawman.

 

[icehorse]

You are the one alleging a conspiracy. So, delight us. Please tell us why the global medical consensus "flipped" for seemingly no reason whatsoever, since you basically reject all medical research.

Many Western countries tried the Dutch protocol in good faith, gave it a couple of years, and discovered IT DOES NOT WORK.

No conspiracies necessary, just doctors who are not handcuffed by big pharma or politics.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Which is no excuse to allow predatory doctors to go ahead and take advantage of those who need mental health care rather than breast removal and mutilation of their genitals.

You have evidence this is happening?